So reading up on all rogue things, I have come to this conclusion.
Not in Combat
In light, you can not hide unless you can find a large enough object to be used as a Heavily Obscured thing (like a book case), but in order to get to it unseen, you can not be in view of the person you are trying to hide from because of too much light. They must also be somewhat distracted and it's DM call. It would be a stealth check to walk to the Book case unheard (if you are not in line of sight only) and a hide action Stealth check once at the book case.
In dim light, the above scenario is the same, accept at the Dm's discretion, if there are enough objects casting shadows or blocking vision in the line of site of the distracted opponent, you "may" get away with getting to the book case while still being in the opponents line of sight and if he is under heavy distraction. Passive perception is at a disadvantage. Stealth check to move from object to object, and a final stealth check to hide behind an object for longer duration, in or out of line of site. In line of site, passive perception at disadvantage, out of line of site, passive roles auto fails.
As far as I know, it specifically says heavily obscured areas, to an outside observer, are treated as blinded condition.
My last point has a caveat to it, where the question is, is being in dim light, but out of sight completely, treated as being in dim light, or treated as heavily obscured. If you are directly behind me, no matter what kind of light there is, If I can not see you, what is the rule set that applies? At the very least, me personally, as a Dm, if the opponent is facing completely away from the hidden creature, I treat that no different then as being heavily obscured. He (the target) can not see the hidden creature at all, UNLESS he turns around. So the rules for hiding under Heavy obscurity follows. In my opinion of course. Once he turns around, if the character is hiding in dim light ONLY (no other barriers like chairs or book cases or pillars) then he is seen automatically, but it would be a DM ruling to allow hiding if there are objects there in the dim light to hide in.
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So reading up on all rogue things, I have come to this conclusion.
Not in Combat
In light, you can not hide unless you can find a large enough object to be used as a Heavily Obscured thing (like a book case), but in order to get to it unseen, you can not be in view of the person you are trying to hide from because of too much light. They must also be somewhat distracted and it's DM call. It would be a stealth check to walk to the Book case unheard (if you are not in line of sight only) and a hide action Stealth check once at the book case.
In dim light, the above scenario is the same, accept at the Dm's discretion, if there are enough objects casting shadows or blocking vision in the line of site of the distracted opponent, you "may" get away with getting to the book case while still being in the opponents line of sight and if he is under heavy distraction. Passive perception is at a disadvantage. Stealth check to move from object to object, and a final stealth check to hide behind an object for longer duration, in or out of line of site. In line of site, passive perception at disadvantage, out of line of site, passive roles auto fails.
Does that sound about right?
As far as I know, it specifically says heavily obscured areas, to an outside observer, are treated as blinded condition.
My last point has a caveat to it, where the question is, is being in dim light, but out of sight completely, treated as being in dim light, or treated as heavily obscured. If you are directly behind me, no matter what kind of light there is, If I can not see you, what is the rule set that applies? At the very least, me personally, as a Dm, if the opponent is facing completely away from the hidden creature, I treat that no different then as being heavily obscured. He (the target) can not see the hidden creature at all, UNLESS he turns around. So the rules for hiding under Heavy obscurity follows. In my opinion of course. Once he turns around, if the character is hiding in dim light ONLY (no other barriers like chairs or book cases or pillars) then he is seen automatically, but it would be a DM ruling to allow hiding if there are objects there in the dim light to hide in.