We want to always delight fans and create experiences together that everyone loves.
I'm sorry but you do not delight fans, we delight each other. We sit down and play this game with our homebrew, our stories, our characters, and our friends. We create the experiences we love for each other. You are the medium we do it through and just as quickly we can change that medium for another.
Our goal was to get exactly the type of feedback on which provisions worked and which did not–which we ultimately got from you.
No your goal is to "create a recurrent spending environment" because "D&D under-monetized." Your goal is to find more ways to capture money from us, make us spend money on digital dice, on monthly subscriptions. Trying to get money from the 80% of players and not just the "Dungeon Masters make up only around 20% or so of the game’s user base" You don't get to suck money away from my players. You don't get to force them to do that. I put in the work in my games, I recruit my players, I keep them entertained, and I am giving that all for free. You don't get to do that.
you’re going to hear people say that they won, and we lost because making your voices heard forced us to change our plans. Those people will only be half right. They won—and so did we.
This isn't a win for you. You got caught with your hand in the cookie jar trying to take things that didn't belong to you. All of us, DMs, Content Creators, Publishers, Artists we made you. We make this game what it is. You don't get to gaslight us and sweep this under the rug like you aren't doing this because a few activist investors embarrassed Hasbro earlier in the year trying to cause a stock split and now all eyes are on how much Wizards makes. This "apology" was not an apology. This was insulting.
I don't think anyone should allow this "apology" to be the end of things.
I believe the appropriate colloquialism is "pissing on us and telling us it's raining." I've never read so much nakedly dishonest spinning, revisionist history and arse-covering in such a short read.
WOTC: you were busted elbow-deep in the proverbial cookie-jar, and the best you've got is "whoopsie! Uh, would you believe we're so incompetent that it only LOOKED like we were trying to execute a massive power-grab?"
WOTC: you were busted elbow-deep in the proverbial cookie-jar, and the best you've got is "whoopsie! Uh, would you believe we're so incompetent that it only LOOKED like we were trying to execute a massive power-grab?"
Exactly. The timing is too perfect between the CEO's comments on under-monetization and a blatant rule change that gives huge monetary advantages to Wizards. I honestly wasn't mad until after I read the apology and felt like we've all been taken advantage of. They're hoping this will all go away.
The Director of Games at Kickstarter said that Wizards had already contacted them to adjust pricing to include a 25% kickback to Wizards on any project. That doesn't sound like they were "in the testing phase" it sounds like they were actively enforcing the new OGL.
@jonritter Kickstarter was contacted after WoTC decided to make OGL changes, so we felt the best move was to advocate for creators, which we did. Managed to get lower % plus more being discussed. No hidden benefits / no financial kickbacks for KS. This is their license, not ours, obviously.
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"You canceled your subscription on 01/14/2023."
(1) Our job is to be good stewards of the game: Wrong. We are the stewards of the game. You print books.
(2) the OGL exists for the benefit of the fans: Wrong. The OGL exists to benefit Wizards. 3rd party Creators have made your game what it is today.
If Hasbro/WOTC want to keep gamers from abandoning D&D for good, they must begin by firing every single one of the suits who disrespected the gaming community by trying to institute changes to the OGL, and by firing every single one of the suits involved in this blatantly insincere "apology." Even by the narrow standards of the business world, these individuals have demonstrated egregious financial incompetence. They were too lazy and entitled to bother learning about their customer base and have thus caused irreparable harm to their own company. Fire every one of them now, replace them with folks who show genuine respect for the creators and gamers who built D&D, and go back to the original OGL. These are the first steps that must be taken if WOTC wants to stanch the flow of gamers and designers who are already leaving D&D in droves for rival systems.
If Hasbro/WOTC want to keep gamers from abandoning D&D for good, they must begin by firing every single one of the suits who disrespected the gaming community by trying to institute changes to the OGL, and by firing every single one of the suits involved in this blatantly insincere "apology." Even by the narrow standards of the business world, these individuals have demonstrated egregious financial incompetence. They were too lazy and entitled to bother learning about their customer base and have thus caused irreparable harm to their own company. Fire every one of them now, replace them with folks who show genuine respect for the creators and gamers who built D&D, and go back to the original OGL. These are the first steps that must be taken if WOTC wants to stanch the flow of gamers and designers who are already leaving D&D in droves for rival systems.
Wizards is much more interested in stealing money from creators and 3rd party publishers than building anything of value here. When was the last substantial update on DNDBeyond? When was the last quality of life change here? How long is the encounter table going to be in beta? How many more times do I have to go into the homebrew section to fix a item or a spell that hasn't been updated correctly? I dont see a single thing that my four years of subscription has done besides add digital dice sets for me to buy. This website looks the exact same as it did when I joined four years ago.
I really stay out of the drama because I just care about playing with my friends, but after reading this tone deaf update I am just so angry. How big of idiots do they think we are? I agree with you that a lot needs changed and its going to be a lot more than a update full of lies and condescending language to change that.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
"You canceled your subscription on 01/14/2023."
(1) Our job is to be good stewards of the game: Wrong. We are the stewards of the game. You print books.
(2) the OGL exists for the benefit of the fans: Wrong. The OGL exists to benefit Wizards. 3rd party Creators have made your game what it is today.
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I'm sorry but you do not delight fans, we delight each other. We sit down and play this game with our homebrew, our stories, our characters, and our friends. We create the experiences we love for each other. You are the medium we do it through and just as quickly we can change that medium for another.
No your goal is to "create a recurrent spending environment" because "D&D under-monetized." Your goal is to find more ways to capture money from us, make us spend money on digital dice, on monthly subscriptions. Trying to get money from the 80% of players and not just the "Dungeon Masters make up only around 20% or so of the game’s user base" You don't get to suck money away from my players. You don't get to force them to do that. I put in the work in my games, I recruit my players, I keep them entertained, and I am giving that all for free. You don't get to do that.
This isn't a win for you. You got caught with your hand in the cookie jar trying to take things that didn't belong to you. All of us, DMs, Content Creators, Publishers, Artists we made you. We make this game what it is. You don't get to gaslight us and sweep this under the rug like you aren't doing this because a few activist investors embarrassed Hasbro earlier in the year trying to cause a stock split and now all eyes are on how much Wizards makes. This "apology" was not an apology. This was insulting.
I don't think anyone should allow this "apology" to be the end of things.
"You canceled your subscription on 01/14/2023."
(1) Our job is to be good stewards of the game: Wrong. We are the stewards of the game. You print books.
(2) the OGL exists for the benefit of the fans: Wrong. The OGL exists to benefit Wizards. 3rd party Creators have made your game what it is today.
I believe the appropriate colloquialism is "pissing on us and telling us it's raining." I've never read so much nakedly dishonest spinning, revisionist history and arse-covering in such a short read.
WOTC: you were busted elbow-deep in the proverbial cookie-jar, and the best you've got is "whoopsie! Uh, would you believe we're so incompetent that it only LOOKED like we were trying to execute a massive power-grab?"
Exactly. The timing is too perfect between the CEO's comments on under-monetization and a blatant rule change that gives huge monetary advantages to Wizards. I honestly wasn't mad until after I read the apology and felt like we've all been taken advantage of. They're hoping this will all go away.
The Director of Games at Kickstarter said that Wizards had already contacted them to adjust pricing to include a 25% kickback to Wizards on any project. That doesn't sound like they were "in the testing phase" it sounds like they were actively enforcing the new OGL.
"You canceled your subscription on 01/14/2023."
(1) Our job is to be good stewards of the game: Wrong. We are the stewards of the game. You print books.
(2) the OGL exists for the benefit of the fans: Wrong. The OGL exists to benefit Wizards. 3rd party Creators have made your game what it is today.
If Hasbro/WOTC want to keep gamers from abandoning D&D for good, they must begin by firing every single one of the suits who disrespected the gaming community by trying to institute changes to the OGL, and by firing every single one of the suits involved in this blatantly insincere "apology." Even by the narrow standards of the business world, these individuals have demonstrated egregious financial incompetence. They were too lazy and entitled to bother learning about their customer base and have thus caused irreparable harm to their own company. Fire every one of them now, replace them with folks who show genuine respect for the creators and gamers who built D&D, and go back to the original OGL. These are the first steps that must be taken if WOTC wants to stanch the flow of gamers and designers who are already leaving D&D in droves for rival systems.
Wizards is much more interested in stealing money from creators and 3rd party publishers than building anything of value here. When was the last substantial update on DNDBeyond? When was the last quality of life change here? How long is the encounter table going to be in beta? How many more times do I have to go into the homebrew section to fix a item or a spell that hasn't been updated correctly? I dont see a single thing that my four years of subscription has done besides add digital dice sets for me to buy. This website looks the exact same as it did when I joined four years ago.
I really stay out of the drama because I just care about playing with my friends, but after reading this tone deaf update I am just so angry. How big of idiots do they think we are? I agree with you that a lot needs changed and its going to be a lot more than a update full of lies and condescending language to change that.
"You canceled your subscription on 01/14/2023."
(1) Our job is to be good stewards of the game: Wrong. We are the stewards of the game. You print books.
(2) the OGL exists for the benefit of the fans: Wrong. The OGL exists to benefit Wizards. 3rd party Creators have made your game what it is today.