I know some of us have been digesting the new 2024 Players Handbook and all of the new info for the 2024 5e adjustments.
I have messed around with the Character creation tool a bit, but many of the characters I want to build are not yet updated to the 2024 5e style.
I know that the following books have been announced for 2025:
2024 Monster Manual (Feb 18th 2025)
Dragon Anthology {working title} (Summer 2025)
2024 Starter Set (Autumn 2025)
Forgotten Realms Player Guide (Late 2025)
Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide (Late 2025)
Would the Forgotten Realms Books include any other updated Species or Subclasses?
I loved my Twilight Cleric in the 2014 system, and would love to build something similar for use with the 2024 system!
I know that I can still build a Twilight Cleric with one of the few updated Species that are offered in the 2024 PHB, but I really want to see what is updated to the Subclass when it is released in a 2024 version :)
Have any of you heard if any of the upcoming books will offer additional Subclasses?
Cheers!
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Breathe, dragons; sing of the First World, forged out of chaos and painted with beauty. Sing of Bahamut, the Platinum, molding the shape of the mountains and rivers; Sing too of Chromatic Tiamat, painting all over the infinite canvas. Partnered, they woke in the darkness; partnered, they labored in acts of creation.
I would guess that the only one that would have Subclasses or Species would be the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide. A dragon centric adventure anthology might, but I doubt it.
I don't think anything much at all has been confirmed about any of these releases except their titles. Having said that one of the Forgotten Realms books was specifically stated as being player facing so I'd be surprised if there weren't at least a few new or updated subclasses in there
I know some of us have been digesting the new 2024 Players Handbook and all of the new info for the 2024 5e adjustments.
I have messed around with the Character creation tool a bit, but many of the characters I want to build are not yet updated to the 2024 5e style.
I know that the following books have been announced for 2025:
2024 Monster Manual (Feb 18th 2025)
Dragon Anthology {working title} (Summer 2025)
2024 Starter Set (Autumn 2025)
Forgotten Realms Player Guide (Late 2025)
Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide (Late 2025)
Would the Forgotten Realms Books include any other updated Species or Subclasses?
I loved my Twilight Cleric in the 2014 system, and would love to build something similar for use with the 2024 system!
I know that I can still build a Twilight Cleric with one of the few updated Species that are offered in the 2024 PHB, but I really want to see what is updated to the Subclass when it is released in a 2024 version :)
Have any of you heard if any of the upcoming books will offer additional Subclasses?
Cheers!
Unless it comes from a third party publisher, I think you have seen the last of an changes in subclasses or Specimens for another 10 years.
I know some of us have been digesting the new 2024 Players Handbook and all of the new info for the 2024 5e adjustments.
I have messed around with the Character creation tool a bit, but many of the characters I want to build are not yet updated to the 2024 5e style.
I know that the following books have been announced for 2025:
2024 Monster Manual (Feb 18th 2025)
Dragon Anthology {working title} (Summer 2025)
2024 Starter Set (Autumn 2025)
Forgotten Realms Player Guide (Late 2025)
Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide (Late 2025)
Would the Forgotten Realms Books include any other updated Species or Subclasses?
I loved my Twilight Cleric in the 2014 system, and would love to build something similar for use with the 2024 system!
I know that I can still build a Twilight Cleric with one of the few updated Species that are offered in the 2024 PHB, but I really want to see what is updated to the Subclass when it is released in a 2024 version :)
Have any of you heard if any of the upcoming books will offer additional Subclasses?
Cheers!
Unless it comes from a third party publisher, I think you have seen the last of an changes in subclasses or Specimens for another 10 years.
What are you basing that on? That seems contrary to everything they've said about their plans for future books.
I think the issue with adding sub-classes in 5e because of DM guild is that its quite literally almost impossible to add anything that hasn't already been published. Like take any random thought and I promise you there are 5 different versions of it on the DM Guild for download right now.
The idea of official splash books with added stuff like this is not really a thing. What they should be focusing on is settings and adventures. Personally i would like to see them get away from "campaign" books and publish shorter, adventures or adventure anthologies.
In particular, I would be interested in the creation of new original settings.
I think the issue with adding sub-classes in 5e because of DM guild is that its quite literally almost impossible to add anything that hasn't already been published. Like take any random thought and I promise you there are 5 different versions of it on the DM Guild for download right now.
The idea of official splash books with added stuff like this is not really a thing. What they should be focusing on is settings and adventures. Personally i would like to see them get away from "campaign" books and publish shorter, adventures or adventure anthologies.
In particular, I would be interested in the creation of new original settings.
Thing is new setting books don't sell nearly as well as a book full of new player options. Their two biggest sellers (if you believe their figures) are Tasha's and the new PHB, people just like books of subclasses. By comparison Spelljammer, Dragonlance and Radiant Citadel were all considered flops
I think the issue with adding sub-classes in 5e because of DM guild is that its quite literally almost impossible to add anything that hasn't already been published. Like take any random thought and I promise you there are 5 different versions of it on the DM Guild for download right now.
The idea of official splash books with added stuff like this is not really a thing. What they should be focusing on is settings and adventures. Personally i would like to see them get away from "campaign" books and publish shorter, adventures or adventure anthologies.
In particular, I would be interested in the creation of new original settings.
Greetings OSR4Ever,
I understand that there is more Homebrew Info, and Books, on DM's Guild than you can shake a Treant Sapling at, but that is not what I was specifically asking about.
To give two examples: In the 2014 PHB they included 9 Races (Species), then later they released Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse that added an additional 33 Races (Species) on top of lots more info. In addition to MotM, there was also Tasha's Cauldron of Everything that added a whole new class (Artificer) as well as an additional 27 Subclasses.
So I guess "the idea of splash books with added stuff like this" is actually a thing, and that is why I was asking about the future book content. Maybe you do not have access to those books, but they are very much worth adding to your library!
Cheers :)
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Breathe, dragons; sing of the First World, forged out of chaos and painted with beauty. Sing of Bahamut, the Platinum, molding the shape of the mountains and rivers; Sing too of Chromatic Tiamat, painting all over the infinite canvas. Partnered, they woke in the darkness; partnered, they labored in acts of creation.
I think the issue with adding sub-classes in 5e because of DM guild is that its quite literally almost impossible to add anything that hasn't already been published. Like take any random thought and I promise you there are 5 different versions of it on the DM Guild for download right now.
The idea of official splash books with added stuff like this is not really a thing. What they should be focusing on is settings and adventures. Personally i would like to see them get away from "campaign" books and publish shorter, adventures or adventure anthologies.
In particular, I would be interested in the creation of new original settings.
Greetings OSR4Ever,
I understand that there is more Homebrew Info, and Books, on DM's Guild than you can shake a Treant Sapling at, but that is not what I was specifically asking about.
To give two examples: In the 2014 PHB they included 9 Races (Species), then later they released Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse that added an additional 33 Races (Species) on top of lots more info. In addition to MotM, there was also Tasha's Cauldron of Everything that added a whole new class (Artificer) as well as an additional 27 Subclasses.
So I guess "the idea of splash books with added stuff like this" is actually a thing, and that is why I was asking about the future book content. Maybe you do not have access to those books, but they are very much worth adding to your library!
Cheers :)
I fully understand that, my point was in almost every measurable way the content created by the community is of wildly better quality than anything Wizards of the Coast produces and most of it is "Pay What You Want" or at the cost of a couple of bucks and you can get it right now. As in your 3-4 clicks away from owning exactly what you are asking for. The alternative is to sit around and wait for Wizards of the Coast to put out a 50-dollar book for you to buy?
You want a 5e Artificer? Who better to get it from than Keith Baker himself, the guy who invented the class in the first place for the Eberron setting?
The second thing and perhaps even more importantly, you get variety. Interested in a unique theme, do you have a specific concept you're looking for, a species you're interested in. I mean, I promise you, you're not going to think of something that someone hasn't already, and if you do... let me know, because I will happily take the time to create it for you and the community.
The hardest thing to do these days when it comes to publishing content for 5e, is coming up with an original concept.
I guess what I'm saying is that you have this massive community of talented people who thrive on creativity publishing their works every day for pennies on the dollar out of pure joy and love for the game and you are sitting around waiting for a corporation in it exclusively for the money to make you an overpriced version of the same thing.
Why?
I understand the DnD beyond issue, but if you're talking about a class, sub-class or some equipment, its pretty easy to take something out of these books and add it using the homebrew functions. It is a hurdle, but not sure that tiny convenience is worth ignoring the community effort and shelling out for offensively over priced and frankly inferior content WotC puts out.
I think the issue with adding sub-classes in 5e because of DM guild is that its quite literally almost impossible to add anything that hasn't already been published. Like take any random thought and I promise you there are 5 different versions of it on the DM Guild for download right now.
The idea of official splash books with added stuff like this is not really a thing. What they should be focusing on is settings and adventures. Personally i would like to see them get away from "campaign" books and publish shorter, adventures or adventure anthologies.
In particular, I would be interested in the creation of new original settings.
Greetings OSR4Ever,
I understand that there is more Homebrew Info, and Books, on DM's Guild than you can shake a Treant Sapling at, but that is not what I was specifically asking about.
To give two examples: In the 2014 PHB they included 9 Races (Species), then later they released Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse that added an additional 33 Races (Species) on top of lots more info. In addition to MotM, there was also Tasha's Cauldron of Everything that added a whole new class (Artificer) as well as an additional 27 Subclasses.
So I guess "the idea of splash books with added stuff like this" is actually a thing, and that is why I was asking about the future book content. Maybe you do not have access to those books, but they are very much worth adding to your library!
Cheers :)
I fully understand that, my point was in almost every measurable way the content created by the community is of wildly better quality than anything Wizards of the Coast produces and most of it is "Pay What You Want" or at the cost of a couple of bucks and you can get it right now. As in your 3-4 clicks away from owning exactly what you are asking for. The alternative is to sit around and wait for Wizards of the Coast to put out a 50-dollar book for you to buy?
You want a 5e Artificer? Who better to get it from than Keith Baker himself, the guy who invented the class in the first place for the Eberron setting?
The second thing and perhaps even more importantly, you get variety. Interested in a unique theme, do you have a specific concept you're looking for, a species you're interested in. I mean, I promise you, you're not going to think of something that someone hasn't already, and if you do... let me know, because I will happily take the time to create it for you and the community.
The hardest thing to do these days when it comes to publishing content for 5e, is coming up with an original concept.
I guess what I'm saying is that you have this massive community of talented people who thrive on creativity publishing their works every day for pennies on the dollar out of pure joy and love for the game and you are sitting around waiting for a corporation in it exclusively for the money to make you an overpriced version of the same thing.
This is likely to be controversial but, I honestly find that most of the homebrew on this site to be hot garbage and the DM's Guild really isn't any better. Even Critical Role content tends to be pretty bad, sure their world building is amazing, but the actual crunch they create is less than stellar. Not everything that WotC puts out is a winner, but it is far more likely to be on par with the core of the game than things put out by 3rd party.
I think the issue with adding sub-classes in 5e because of DM guild is that its quite literally almost impossible to add anything that hasn't already been published. Like take any random thought and I promise you there are 5 different versions of it on the DM Guild for download right now.
The idea of official splash books with added stuff like this is not really a thing. What they should be focusing on is settings and adventures. Personally i would like to see them get away from "campaign" books and publish shorter, adventures or adventure anthologies.
In particular, I would be interested in the creation of new original settings.
Thing is new setting books don't sell nearly as well as a book full of new player options. Their two biggest sellers (if you believe their figures) are Tasha's and the new PHB, people just like books of subclasses. By comparison Spelljammer, Dragonlance and Radiant Citadel were all considered flops
While I agree with your sentiment that player options help sell, I think those examples are unfair. Spelljammer was just a plain rip off. It's also worth noting that Spelljammer had more player options than normal.
I don't know about the success of Dragonlance or Radiant Citadel. JTtRC was an anthology and while I get the creative pull of it, as a player, I'm just really not interested. I want to tell long term stories, not a bunch of one shots, which. These anthologies end up being. Dragonlance didn't appeal to me because it felt too far from the aspects of D&D that got us playing TTRPGs.
Personally, offering options in adventure books doesn't sway me to buy them. If I were a player, I'd pick an adventure then buy it, and if I get extra options, brill! Likewise, as DM, we pick adventures as a party according to what appeals to us...and we don't think about player options until afterwards. But I get that other people are willing to splash out $30-50 just so they can be a Harengon for a campaign. I can't understand that mentality...but it brings home the bacon, I guess.
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I fully understand that, my point was in almost every measurable way the content created by the community is of wildly better quality than anything Wizards of the Coast produces and most of it is "Pay What You Want" or at the cost of a couple of bucks and you can get it right now. As in your 3-4 clicks away from owning exactly what you are asking for. The alternative is to sit around and wait for Wizards of the Coast to put out a 50-dollar book for you to buy?
What are you smoking sir? The majority of homebrew - either on Beyond or DMs Guild, is BROKEN and overpowered. I think you have a bias against WOTC, and your handle kinda reflects that. But to say homebrew is balanced and superior to anything homebrewed is innately superior to something made by WOTC is one of the most laughable statements I've ever heard
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Greetings D&D Beyond and Community,
I know some of us have been digesting the new 2024 Players Handbook and all of the new info for the 2024 5e adjustments.
I have messed around with the Character creation tool a bit, but many of the characters I want to build are not yet updated to the 2024 5e style.
I know that the following books have been announced for 2025:
Would the Forgotten Realms Books include any other updated Species or Subclasses?
I loved my Twilight Cleric in the 2014 system, and would love to build something similar for use with the 2024 system!
I know that I can still build a Twilight Cleric with one of the few updated Species that are offered in the 2024 PHB, but I really want to see what is updated to the Subclass when it is released in a 2024 version :)
Have any of you heard if any of the upcoming books will offer additional Subclasses?
Cheers!
Breathe, dragons; sing of the First World, forged out of chaos and painted with beauty.
Sing of Bahamut, the Platinum, molding the shape of the mountains and rivers;
Sing too of Chromatic Tiamat, painting all over the infinite canvas.
Partnered, they woke in the darkness; partnered, they labored in acts of creation.
I would guess that the only one that would have Subclasses or Species would be the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide. A dragon centric adventure anthology might, but I doubt it.
She/Her Player and Dungeon Master
I don't think anything much at all has been confirmed about any of these releases except their titles. Having said that one of the Forgotten Realms books was specifically stated as being player facing so I'd be surprised if there weren't at least a few new or updated subclasses in there
Unless it comes from a third party publisher, I think you have seen the last of an changes in subclasses or Specimens for another 10 years.
What are you basing that on? That seems contrary to everything they've said about their plans for future books.
pronouns: he/she/they
I think the issue with adding sub-classes in 5e because of DM guild is that its quite literally almost impossible to add anything that hasn't already been published. Like take any random thought and I promise you there are 5 different versions of it on the DM Guild for download right now.
The idea of official splash books with added stuff like this is not really a thing. What they should be focusing on is settings and adventures. Personally i would like to see them get away from "campaign" books and publish shorter, adventures or adventure anthologies.
In particular, I would be interested in the creation of new original settings.
Thing is new setting books don't sell nearly as well as a book full of new player options. Their two biggest sellers (if you believe their figures) are Tasha's and the new PHB, people just like books of subclasses. By comparison Spelljammer, Dragonlance and Radiant Citadel were all considered flops
Greetings OSR4Ever,
I understand that there is more Homebrew Info, and Books, on DM's Guild than you can shake a Treant Sapling at, but that is not what I was specifically asking about.
To give two examples:
In the 2014 PHB they included 9 Races (Species), then later they released Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse that added an additional 33 Races (Species) on top of lots more info.
In addition to MotM, there was also Tasha's Cauldron of Everything that added a whole new class (Artificer) as well as an additional 27 Subclasses.
So I guess "the idea of splash books with added stuff like this" is actually a thing, and that is why I was asking about the future book content.
Maybe you do not have access to those books, but they are very much worth adding to your library!
Cheers :)
Breathe, dragons; sing of the First World, forged out of chaos and painted with beauty.
Sing of Bahamut, the Platinum, molding the shape of the mountains and rivers;
Sing too of Chromatic Tiamat, painting all over the infinite canvas.
Partnered, they woke in the darkness; partnered, they labored in acts of creation.
I fully understand that, my point was in almost every measurable way the content created by the community is of wildly better quality than anything Wizards of the Coast produces and most of it is "Pay What You Want" or at the cost of a couple of bucks and you can get it right now. As in your 3-4 clicks away from owning exactly what you are asking for. The alternative is to sit around and wait for Wizards of the Coast to put out a 50-dollar book for you to buy?
You want a 5e Artificer? Who better to get it from than Keith Baker himself, the guy who invented the class in the first place for the Eberron setting?
The second thing and perhaps even more importantly, you get variety. Interested in a unique theme, do you have a specific concept you're looking for, a species you're interested in. I mean, I promise you, you're not going to think of something that someone hasn't already, and if you do... let me know, because I will happily take the time to create it for you and the community.
The hardest thing to do these days when it comes to publishing content for 5e, is coming up with an original concept.
I guess what I'm saying is that you have this massive community of talented people who thrive on creativity publishing their works every day for pennies on the dollar out of pure joy and love for the game and you are sitting around waiting for a corporation in it exclusively for the money to make you an overpriced version of the same thing.
Why?
I understand the DnD beyond issue, but if you're talking about a class, sub-class or some equipment, its pretty easy to take something out of these books and add it using the homebrew functions. It is a hurdle, but not sure that tiny convenience is worth ignoring the community effort and shelling out for offensively over priced and frankly inferior content WotC puts out.
This is likely to be controversial but, I honestly find that most of the homebrew on this site to be hot garbage and the DM's Guild really isn't any better. Even Critical Role content tends to be pretty bad, sure their world building is amazing, but the actual crunch they create is less than stellar. Not everything that WotC puts out is a winner, but it is far more likely to be on par with the core of the game than things put out by 3rd party.
This is just my opinion.
She/Her Player and Dungeon Master
While I agree with your sentiment that player options help sell, I think those examples are unfair. Spelljammer was just a plain rip off. It's also worth noting that Spelljammer had more player options than normal.
I don't know about the success of Dragonlance or Radiant Citadel. JTtRC was an anthology and while I get the creative pull of it, as a player, I'm just really not interested. I want to tell long term stories, not a bunch of one shots, which. These anthologies end up being. Dragonlance didn't appeal to me because it felt too far from the aspects of D&D that got us playing TTRPGs.
Personally, offering options in adventure books doesn't sway me to buy them. If I were a player, I'd pick an adventure then buy it, and if I get extra options, brill! Likewise, as DM, we pick adventures as a party according to what appeals to us...and we don't think about player options until afterwards. But I get that other people are willing to splash out $30-50 just so they can be a Harengon for a campaign. I can't understand that mentality...but it brings home the bacon, I guess.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.