Ok so clarification is in order, prior to the official release of whatever the new 2024 Basic Rules will be, will WotC update the 2018 Basic Rules PDF to reflect corrections and additions made to the 2018 BR up till say the end of December 2023?
I have noticed several additional spells were added, and Errata has been included, and sizeable additions to various sections.
I don't think anything official has been said, but since the Basic Rules also are intertwined with the SRD, and WotC would like 3rd party developers basing their work in the 2024 revised core, many on this forum on a number of other threads think it's reasonable to expect some sort of revision to the Basic Rules. I'm sort of surprised we're not seeing a roll out basic rules boxed set as the one that led the original 5e product roll out. Maybe there will be something based entirely on DDB. But who knows? Again, to my knowledge there has been any official word on the Basic Rules being updated.
Ensure the 2024 Core Rulebook Updates Are Compatible with Fifth Edition D&D and the SRD: We remain committed to keeping the rules updates compatible with the current fifth edition content and SRD, either by bringing the rules updates into the SRD, or by providing language that keeps them compatible.
Ensure the 2024 Core Rulebook Updates Are Compatible with Fifth Edition D&D and the SRD: We remain committed to keeping the rules updates compatible with the current fifth edition content and SRD, either by bringing the rules updates into the SRD, or by providing language that keeps them compatible.
Ok so where is the updated PDF version of the current 5E basic rules? Only way to access the current updated basic rules is ether though a internet browser or app and reading such from this very site, and if one is SOL in ability to access such web services, the only offline pdf version is one that’s 5 years old?
What if one does not care to have 2024 rule changes as part of the updated 2014 rules set?
I mean, I’ve personally used a PDF creator to make a decent personal updated version of the current basic rules ( as of 12/2023 ) with the publicly accessible material from this site, and it took two days because I kept having to fix format issues, and yet a professional edited version from WotC is a monumental task?
I can sort of understand the frustration predicated by the WotC vaguespeak that the SRD either itself being updated or some sort of compatibility language that will manifest in a currently unknown form; but this last post seems a wee bit impatient. The materials you're using for your personal update document are officially still playtest documents. At some point, presumably before the publication of the PHB or concurrently with the publication of the PHB, they will be officially updated. You're writing a complaint as if the 2024 revisions are set and done. The reality is that they're not official yet. Rules get published when they get published. The when of that, officially per WotC five months ago is "upcoming", and that's where things are.
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I can sort of understand the frustration predicated by the WotC vaguespeak that the SRD either itself being updated or some sort of compatibility language that will manifest in a currently unknown form; but this last post seems a wee bit impatient. The materials you're using for your personal update document are officially still playtest documents. At some point, presumably before the publication of the PHB or concurrently with the publication of the PHB, they will be officially updated. You're writing a complaint as if the 2024 revisions are set and done. The reality is that they're not official yet. Rules get published when they get published. The when of that, officially per WotC five months ago is "upcoming", and that's where things are.
I’m not using the UA material, as it’s nothing more than what if.
go to sources in the drop-down menu, and select basic rules.
those rules are the 2018 version of the basic rules with SRD 5.1 update, yet no PDF version of that update is available.
ether one has to be online to read the updated version on site, or has to creatively create an updated offline PDF version when online access may be limited.
Yet the ask of something that could be done far better and easier and possibly faster is too much?
Ah, I see more clearly what you're getting at now. Still my answer sticks more on a realistic presumption that we're not going to see anything "new" published on that front till the new rules roll out. This venue, DDB, hasn't traditionally been responsible for the free PDF WotC puts out. They literally don't maintain the PDF. That's all likely changing with the whole One D&D Project that's supposed to make DDB the one stop hub for all official D&D content. What's a simple fix from the perspective of the individual user sometimes gets lost in a largish company in the whose job description exactly is it to maintain the PDF.
Given that you're talking about actual functionality in DDB that should exist in the present, rather than asking about how DDB will accommodate the future, you may want to redirect this question to the Feedback forum. The Devs are kept more current on things in that forum than they are in the general discussion section.
Not saying you're asking too much, but "I can do this better than you" just isn't the best thing to insert into a productive dialogue.
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Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Ah, I see more clearly what you're getting at now. Still my answer sticks more on a realistic presumption that we're not going to see anything "new" published on that front till the new rules roll out. This venue, DDB, hasn't traditionally been responsible for the free PDF WotC puts out. They literally don't maintain the PDF. That's all likely changing with the whole One D&D Project that's supposed to make DDB the one stop hub for all official D&D content. What's a simple fix from the perspective of the individual user sometimes gets lost in a largish company in the whose job description exactly is it to maintain the PDF.
Given that you're talking about actual functionality in DDB that should exist in the present, rather than asking about how DDB will accommodate the future, you may want to redirect this question to the Feedback forum. The Devs are kept more current on things in that forum than they are in the general discussion section.
Not saying you're asking too much, but "I can do this better than you" just isn't the best thing to insert into a productive dialogue.
I did, I started this topic in the feedback forum, devs moved it to general discussion, took a minute to find.
And I’m not the first to ask if the PDF WotC put out publicly would be updated, but it seems the topic is quietly brushed aside and left to individuals to manage themselves.
I simply asking as a professional courtesy from Wizbro, they update offline resources.
10 years ago Basic was updated right before the PHB released. They might do that again, but they might not - we just don't know yet. We do have the release dates for the books themselves, so I expect it'll be sometime around there.
The Basic Rules found on D&D Beyond is a hybrid of the above two documents plus any relevant errata
Second link is a lie, leads to 2018 version without 5.1 SRD inclusion, so no it’s not the latest set of basic rules as per third link.
I mean, I’d rather be told straight up no not gonna update it, wait till the new stuff gets out.
No, it's not a lie. The Basic Rules (what is included in the various starter sets) does not and never has included the full SRD. That's why I said the Basic Rules found on D&D Beyond are a hybrid of the two documents.
There is no downloadable pdf of the D&D Beyond Version of the Basic Rules because it is a fabrication of D&D Beyond.
You have the things confused, so to clarify:
The Basic Rules found on D&D Beyond have never been published as a PDF ever anywhere. They were created by D&D Beyond to consolidate the Basic Rules (which exists as a PDF and physical copies) with the SRD (which exists as a PDF) in order to give the most amount of free content in the most readable format possible.
The only thing i can think of missing from the 2018 Basic Rules PDF is the erratas for the Player's Handbook of 2020 and 2021 about alignment in both the Races and Character Details sections.
Calling the D&D Beyong Basic Rules as well adds to the confusion and i always thought it should have been instead named Compendium because it's not what Basic Rules essentially are according to their definition:
The Basic Rules runs from levels 1 to 20 and covers the cleric, fighter, rogue, and wizard, presenting what we view as the essential subclass for each. It also provides the dwarf, elf, halfling, and human as race options; in addition, the rules contain 120 spells, 5 backgrounds, and character sheets. But the best part? The Basic Rules is a free PDF. Anyone can download it from our website. We want to put D&D in as many hands as possible, and a free, digital file is the best way to do that.
The only thing i can think of missing from the 2018 Basic Rules PDF is the erratas for the Player's Handbook of 2020 and 2021 about alignment in both the Races and Character Details sections.
Calling the D&D Beyong Basic Rules as well adds to the confusion and i always thought it should have been instead named Compendium because it's not what Basic Rules essentially are according to their definition:
The Basic Rules runs from levels 1 to 20 and covers the cleric, fighter, rogue, and wizard, presenting what we view as the essential subclass for each. It also provides the dwarf, elf, halfling, and human as race options; in addition, the rules contain 120 spells, 5 backgrounds, and character sheets. But the best part? The Basic Rules is a free PDF. Anyone can download it from our website. We want to put D&D in as many hands as possible, and a free, digital file is the best way to do that.
I believe (and this is speculation because it's before my time) that they were called the Basic Rules on D&D Beyond to allow people to easily segue from the starter set to D&D Beyond. Calling it the compendium would've been a bit odd.
Then again, early D&D Beyond was the wild west. There are descriptions for mundane items that don't appear in any rulebook, and don't get me started on tags/subtype....
Curious about if the revised and updated rules made to the 2018 basic rules will ever be made into an updated PDF version.
Several differences can be noticed, and was just wondering if there will be an update made prior to the release of the new rules?
Ok so clarification is in order, prior to the official release of whatever the new 2024 Basic Rules will be, will WotC update the 2018 Basic Rules PDF to reflect corrections and additions made to the 2018 BR up till say the end of December 2023?
I have noticed several additional spells were added, and Errata has been included, and sizeable additions to various sections.
I don't think anything official has been said, but since the Basic Rules also are intertwined with the SRD, and WotC would like 3rd party developers basing their work in the 2024 revised core, many on this forum on a number of other threads think it's reasonable to expect some sort of revision to the Basic Rules. I'm sort of surprised we're not seeing a roll out basic rules boxed set as the one that led the original 5e product roll out. Maybe there will be something based entirely on DDB. But who knows? Again, to my knowledge there has been any official word on the Basic Rules being updated.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Per the community update upcoming section
Find my D&D Beyond articles here
Ok so where is the updated PDF version of the current 5E basic rules?
Only way to access the current updated basic rules is ether though a internet browser or app and reading such from this very site, and if one is SOL in ability to access such web services, the only offline pdf version is one that’s 5 years old?
What if one does not care to have 2024 rule changes as part of the updated 2014 rules set?
I mean, I’ve personally used a PDF creator to make a decent personal updated version of the current basic rules ( as of 12/2023 ) with the publicly accessible material from this site, and it took two days because I kept having to fix format issues, and yet a professional edited version from WotC is a monumental task?
The 2024 Basic rules PDF hasn't yet been uploaded on the D&D Website and there's also the upcoming release of the updated cores rules.
If someone doesn't care about 2024 rules changes it can always any previous version.
I can sort of understand the frustration predicated by the WotC vaguespeak that the SRD either itself being updated or some sort of compatibility language that will manifest in a currently unknown form; but this last post seems a wee bit impatient. The materials you're using for your personal update document are officially still playtest documents. At some point, presumably before the publication of the PHB or concurrently with the publication of the PHB, they will be officially updated. You're writing a complaint as if the 2024 revisions are set and done. The reality is that they're not official yet. Rules get published when they get published. The when of that, officially per WotC five months ago is "upcoming", and that's where things are.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
I’m not using the UA material, as it’s nothing more than what if.
go to sources in the drop-down menu, and select basic rules.
those rules are the 2018 version of the basic rules with SRD 5.1 update, yet no PDF version of that update is available.
ether one has to be online to read the updated version on site, or has to creatively create an updated offline PDF version when online access may be limited.
Yet the ask of something that could be done far better and easier and possibly faster is too much?
Ah, I see more clearly what you're getting at now. Still my answer sticks more on a realistic presumption that we're not going to see anything "new" published on that front till the new rules roll out. This venue, DDB, hasn't traditionally been responsible for the free PDF WotC puts out. They literally don't maintain the PDF. That's all likely changing with the whole One D&D Project that's supposed to make DDB the one stop hub for all official D&D content. What's a simple fix from the perspective of the individual user sometimes gets lost in a largish company in the whose job description exactly is it to maintain the PDF.
Given that you're talking about actual functionality in DDB that should exist in the present, rather than asking about how DDB will accommodate the future, you may want to redirect this question to the Feedback forum. The Devs are kept more current on things in that forum than they are in the general discussion section.
Not saying you're asking too much, but "I can do this better than you" just isn't the best thing to insert into a productive dialogue.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
I did, I started this topic in the feedback forum, devs moved it to general discussion, took a minute to find.
And I’m not the first to ask if the PDF WotC put out publicly would be updated, but it seems the topic is quietly brushed aside and left to individuals to manage themselves.
I simply asking as a professional courtesy from Wizbro, they update offline resources.
SRD 5.1 is the latest version of the SRD and a PDF of it can be found here
The latest Basic Rules can be found here
The Basic Rules found on D&D Beyond is a hybrid of the above two documents plus any relevant errata
Find my D&D Beyond articles here
Second link is a lie, leads to 2018 version without 5.1 SRD inclusion, so no it’s not the latest set of basic rules as per third link.
I mean, I’d rather be told straight up no not gonna update it, wait till the new stuff gets out.
10 years ago Basic was updated right before the PHB released. They might do that again, but they might not - we just don't know yet. We do have the release dates for the books themselves, so I expect it'll be sometime around there.
I am a little bit confused about what exactly you are asking, so let me get this right (english is not my native language):
Are you asking if there is a downloadable official PDF that combines all of the above points, and if there is not when such a thing might come out?
#OpenDnD
Yes. Simply Yes.
Latest updated version of basic rules sits peacemeal as a PDF on this site, and other WotC sites have an 5 year old version, untouched in 5+ years.
when will that 5 year old document get an update that includes the 5.1 SRD and corrections?
Same time as the new set rolls out?
Next week?
Never?
The SRD 5.1 is copyright 2016.
What makes you think the basic rules are out of date? Please show examples.
2018 pdf version has but 4 races, SRD has 9, and DDB has 9.
Above is just a small example, and above links demonstrate the difference.
No, it's not a lie. The Basic Rules (what is included in the various starter sets) does not and never has included the full SRD. That's why I said the Basic Rules found on D&D Beyond are a hybrid of the two documents.
There is no downloadable pdf of the D&D Beyond Version of the Basic Rules because it is a fabrication of D&D Beyond.
You have the things confused, so to clarify:
The Basic Rules found on D&D Beyond have never been published as a PDF ever anywhere. They were created by D&D Beyond to consolidate the Basic Rules (which exists as a PDF and physical copies) with the SRD (which exists as a PDF) in order to give the most amount of free content in the most readable format possible.
Find my D&D Beyond articles here
The only thing i can think of missing from the 2018 Basic Rules PDF is the erratas for the Player's Handbook of 2020 and 2021 about alignment in both the Races and Character Details sections.
Calling the D&D Beyong Basic Rules as well adds to the confusion and i always thought it should have been instead named Compendium because it's not what Basic Rules essentially are according to their definition:
I believe (and this is speculation because it's before my time) that they were called the Basic Rules on D&D Beyond to allow people to easily segue from the starter set to D&D Beyond. Calling it the compendium would've been a bit odd.
Then again, early D&D Beyond was the wild west. There are descriptions for mundane items that don't appear in any rulebook, and don't get me started on tags/subtype....
Find my D&D Beyond articles here