So we play 2014 rules, and I have a Giff Rune Knight Fighter with the unarmed fighting style and the tavern brawler and grappler feats (grappler is admittedly the 2024 version, but dm allows it). His main play: get big and grab people, then hit other people with them. Sometimes he also hits enemies into objects; trees, walls, etc. The most hilarious play I've done with him happened when he was huge (he had been targeted by enlarge/reduce), and there was a water elemental in his space. The elemental was targeted by a freeze spell, so it was stuck to his leg. On my turn, then, I drop-kicked the monster I was holding into a cliff face. Even better, I kicked with the leg that the elemental was on, so it took damage too. This resulted in four instances of damage from the single attack: one to the elemental, and three to the other monster. These were 1: initial impact of the kick. 2:Hitting the cliff face. 3:Falling from the point where it hit the cliff.
This was very funny. The only problem: how much damage do I actually do? The only one of those instances in the rules is the falling. Now this question goes even beyond that instance, because every combat things like this happen and the dm goes, "Uh, I don't know," then gives me some dice to roll.
The other thing: if I swing a monster into the ground, do I make an attack roll? If so, what am I attacking, the monster or the ground?
Really what me and my dm need to do is come up with an entire set of rules for these cases, and I was wondering if anyone had ideas for that.
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So we play 2014 rules, and I have a Giff Rune Knight Fighter with the unarmed fighting style and the tavern brawler and grappler feats (grappler is admittedly the 2024 version, but dm allows it). His main play: get big and grab people, then hit other people with them. Sometimes he also hits enemies into objects; trees, walls, etc. The most hilarious play I've done with him happened when he was huge (he had been targeted by enlarge/reduce), and there was a water elemental in his space. The elemental was targeted by a freeze spell, so it was stuck to his leg. On my turn, then, I drop-kicked the monster I was holding into a cliff face. Even better, I kicked with the leg that the elemental was on, so it took damage too. This resulted in four instances of damage from the single attack: one to the elemental, and three to the other monster. These were 1: initial impact of the kick. 2:Hitting the cliff face. 3:Falling from the point where it hit the cliff.
This was very funny. The only problem: how much damage do I actually do? The only one of those instances in the rules is the falling. Now this question goes even beyond that instance, because every combat things like this happen and the dm goes, "Uh, I don't know," then gives me some dice to roll.
The other thing: if I swing a monster into the ground, do I make an attack roll? If so, what am I attacking, the monster or the ground?
Really what me and my dm need to do is come up with an entire set of rules for these cases, and I was wondering if anyone had ideas for that.