Just read a post about Eldritch Adept and it reminded me about an idea I had a while ago. Here it is:
Say your player is a blood hunter with the Profane Soul subclass. This subclass is meant to be a third-caster, like Eldritch Knight and Arcane Trickster, except it is similar to the Warlock’s Pact Magic, rather than the Wizard’s spellcasting. Now, your player wants to take the Eldritch Adept feat and, reasoning that they have warlockish abilities, asks you if they can have an Eldritch Invocation with a prerequisite. Would you allow it?
Profane Soul Blood Hunters get Pact Magic, but they don't get Invocations, so I would say no they can't use Eldritch Adept to take Invocations with prerequisites.
I'd allow it. Profane Soul (and Bloodhunter in general) makes enough unforced errors with wording that WotC could hardly have been expected to word EA in a way that would have recognized Profane Souls. Case in point... PFs are clearly intended to have Pact Slots, not Spell Slots, but whoops! They're actually a class with a Pact Magic feature that grants Spell Slots, which isn't right, no matter how you look at it.
Case in point... PFs are clearly intended to have Pact Slots, not Spell Slots, but whoops! They're actually a class with a Pact Magic feature that grants Spell Slots, which isn't right, no matter how you look at it.
What? Profane souls spell slots are the same as a 1/3rd warlock. What isn't right?
I apologize.... you're completely right, I never realized that "Pact Slots" are actually called.... "spell slots." So, the BH didn't screw anything up, but I'm really scratching my head now why 5E called them "spell slots you gain from the Pact Magic feature" and "warlock spell slots" and "spell slots" instead of just "pact slots" or the like. I never noticed that dndbeyond labels them in a helpful way not actually provided by the rules.
Profane Souls and Warlocks both get "spell slots", but they aren't the same spell slots as the "spell slots" that other casters get. Oof.
I apologize.... you're completely right, I never realized that "Pact Slots" are actually called.... "spell slots." So, the BH didn't screw anything up, but I'm really scratching my head now why 5E called them "spell slots you gain from the Pact Magic feature" and "warlock spell slots" and "spell slots" instead of just "pact slots" or the like. I never noticed that dndbeyond labels them in a helpful way not actually provided by the rules.
Profane Souls and Warlocks both get "spell slots", but they aren't the same spell slots as the "spell slots" that other casters get. Oof.
The slots themselves are the same. They work the same way for casting spells. A level 3 spell slot from warlock is the same as a level 3 spell slot from wizard. And it is important that they be the same so the rules for spellcasting apply to both equally.
The only difference is the feature that granted them. The feature dictates the number, level, and recharge rate.
All "Spellcasting" classes grant long-rest renewable spell slots. And those spell sots are granted at a level and stay at that level, as more slots are awarded later.
All "Pact Magic" classes grant short-rest renewable shpell shlots. And those shpell shlots "level up" over time instead of staying at the slot level they're granted.
Also, spell slots and shpell shlots don't mix during multiclassing.
That seems sufficient to me to explain why Pact Slots should have been called Pact Slots, or at least referred to as "Pact Magic Spell Slots" in Warlock and BH class descriptions. But if no one else is confused, okay!
While we're on the topic of BHs and Warlocks and their slots, I do think it's cute that taking 3 levels in BH Profane Soul qualifies you to use Intelligence for all Warlock (pact magic) spell slots of any level. Its hard to find a real benefit to it, but in theory a Profane Soul/Warlock/Wizard is in many ways easier to build than Warlock/Wizard alone.
Just read a post about Eldritch Adept and it reminded me about an idea I had a while ago. Here it is:
Say your player is a blood hunter with the Profane Soul subclass. This subclass is meant to be a third-caster, like Eldritch Knight and Arcane Trickster, except it is similar to the Warlock’s Pact Magic, rather than the Wizard’s spellcasting. Now, your player wants to take the Eldritch Adept feat and, reasoning that they have warlockish abilities, asks you if they can have an Eldritch Invocation with a prerequisite. Would you allow it?
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There are plenty of good invocations that don't have a prerequisite. I might allow it. It isn't RAW though.
Profane Soul Blood Hunters get Pact Magic, but they don't get Invocations, so I would say no they can't use Eldritch Adept to take Invocations with prerequisites.
I'd allow it. Profane Soul (and Bloodhunter in general) makes enough unforced errors with wording that WotC could hardly have been expected to word EA in a way that would have recognized Profane Souls. Case in point... PFs are clearly intended to have Pact Slots, not Spell Slots, but whoops! They're actually a class with a Pact Magic feature that grants Spell Slots, which isn't right, no matter how you look at it.
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Per the RAW, no. And I'm fine with that.
What? Profane souls spell slots are the same as a 1/3rd warlock. What isn't right?
I apologize.... you're completely right, I never realized that "Pact Slots" are actually called.... "spell slots." So, the BH didn't screw anything up, but I'm really scratching my head now why 5E called them "spell slots you gain from the Pact Magic feature" and "warlock spell slots" and "spell slots" instead of just "pact slots" or the like. I never noticed that dndbeyond labels them in a helpful way not actually provided by the rules.
Profane Souls and Warlocks both get "spell slots", but they aren't the same spell slots as the "spell slots" that other casters get. Oof.
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The slots themselves are the same. They work the same way for casting spells. A level 3 spell slot from warlock is the same as a level 3 spell slot from wizard. And it is important that they be the same so the rules for spellcasting apply to both equally.
The only difference is the feature that granted them. The feature dictates the number, level, and recharge rate.
Well, they aren't the same.
All "Spellcasting" classes grant long-rest renewable spell slots. And those spell sots are granted at a level and stay at that level, as more slots are awarded later.
All "Pact Magic" classes grant short-rest renewable shpell shlots. And those shpell shlots "level up" over time instead of staying at the slot level they're granted.
Also, spell slots and shpell shlots don't mix during multiclassing.
That seems sufficient to me to explain why Pact Slots should have been called Pact Slots, or at least referred to as "Pact Magic Spell Slots" in Warlock and BH class descriptions. But if no one else is confused, okay!
While we're on the topic of BHs and Warlocks and their slots, I do think it's cute that taking 3 levels in BH Profane Soul qualifies you to use Intelligence for all Warlock (pact magic) spell slots of any level. Its hard to find a real benefit to it, but in theory a Profane Soul/Warlock/Wizard is in many ways easier to build than Warlock/Wizard alone.
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Yes, I would allow it.
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