First time creating a thread, so I apologize for any screw ups.
I was just curious if there was any official ruling on interactions between the Ranger’s optional feature Roving (Deft Explorer lvl 6) and the Rogue-Scout feature Superior Mobility (lvl 9).
Roving: Your walking speed increases by 5 feet, and you gain a climbing speed and a swimming speed equal to your walking speed.
Superior Mobility: At 9th level, your walking speed increases by 10 feet. If you have a climbing or swimming speed, this increase applies to that speed as well.
Reading strictly rules as written, it seems like having both would let you climb and swim faster than you can walk. Is that right?
No, roving says it allows you to have a climbing or swimming speed equal to your walking speed. Your walking speed can be increased by 5' and then 10', but that new total (45' or whatever) is also your swimming speed or climbing speed. As long as you have both, I think you'd end up at the same speeds.
First time creating a thread, so I apologize for any screw ups.
I was just curious if there was any official ruling on interactions between the Ranger’s optional feature Roving (Deft Explorer lvl 6) and the Rogue-Scout feature Superior Mobility (lvl 9).
Roving: Your walking speed increases by 5 feet, and you gain a climbing speed and a swimming speed equal to your walking speed.
Superior Mobility: At 9th level, your walking speed increases by 10 feet. If you have a climbing or swimming speed, this increase applies to that speed as well.
Reading strictly rules as written, it seems like having both would let you climb and swim faster than you can walk. Is that right?
It depends on the order you apply the rules in. Starting with Walk Speed 30:
Roving: Walk 35, Climb 35, Swim 35
Superior Mobility: Walk 45, Climb 45, Swim 45 -> Walk 45, Climb 55, Swim 55
Superior Mobility: Walk 40
Roving: Walk 45, Climb 45, Swim 45
Because Roving gives you Climb and Swim equal to Walk, when Superior Mobility adds to Walk, it also adds to Roving's Climb and Swim. When it then also adds to Climb and Swim, this increases those speeds beyond Walk. But if you have no Climb or Swim speed yet, it has nothing to add to.
We have no rules for reconciling this, which means they don't reconcile. There are a variety of other ways for the order in which you take your levels to matter, such as Barbarian before Monk or Monk before Barbarian. That would happen here, as well - the order in which you gain the class abilities would be the order in which they modify you.
Nah, I don't think SM applies twice to your climbing and swimming speed. Either your climbing and swimming speeds are set to your walking speed before you apply roving (meaning they're all the same) or after (meaning you don't have a climbing or swimming speeds until after you gain your SM movement).
It would be at best inconsistent to say that Roving keeps your swim and climb speeds equal to your walking speed always except when it inexplicably doesn’t.
Nah, I don't think SM applies twice to your climbing and swimming speed. Either your climbing and swimming speeds are set to your walking speed before you apply roving (meaning they're all the same) or after (meaning you don't have a climbing or swimming speeds until after you gain your SM movement).
It would be at best inconsistent to say that Roving keeps your swim and climb speeds equal to your walking speed always except when it inexplicably doesn’t.
If you apply Roving first, your Climb and Swim are set to Walk, and then Superior Mobility adds 10 to Walk (which adds 10 to Climb and Swim, because Roving dynamically scales with Walk) and a second 10 each to Climb and Swim, which is how you get to 55 in each from 30 base, despite 45 Walk. There's no inconsistency, because Roving only applies once. What becomes inconsistent is if you try to apply Roving twice (once before Superior Mobility, and then again afterward, to reduce Climb and Swim down to Walk).
As I noted, if you apply Roving second, you end up with 45 in each, because Superior Mobility won't add to a climb or swim speed you don't have.
Nah. That is a ruling one could make, but not the one that I would.
You even say you applied Superior Mobility twice in your explanation. I simply think that is a bad ruling. Either you gain those other speeds equal to your walking speed once, or dynamically, but your reading doesn’t take either of those to their logical conclusion.
Yea I'd have to agree with Wolf. The second part of Superior Mobility is there to make sure you get the increase to climb/swim, not to make you get it twice.
If you apply Roving first, your Climb and Swim are set to Walk, and then Superior Mobility adds 10 to Walk (which adds 10 to Climb and Swim, because Roving dynamically scales with Walk) and a second 10 each to Climb and Swim, which is how you get to 55 in each from 30 base, despite 45 Walk.
Why are you scaling Roving dynamically? The wording is a one-time effect.
It gives you an extra 5 feet of walking speed, then it gives you a climbing speed and a swimming speed to match the adjusted walking speed at that point. It has no further affect after that.
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First time creating a thread, so I apologize for any screw ups.
I was just curious if there was any official ruling on interactions between the Ranger’s optional feature Roving (Deft Explorer lvl 6) and the Rogue-Scout feature Superior Mobility (lvl 9).
Roving: Your walking speed increases by 5 feet, and you gain a climbing speed and a swimming speed equal to your walking speed.
Superior Mobility: At 9th level, your walking speed increases by 10 feet. If you have a climbing or swimming speed, this increase applies to that speed as well.
Reading strictly rules as written, it seems like having both would let you climb and swim faster than you can walk. Is that right?
No, roving says it allows you to have a climbing or swimming speed equal to your walking speed. Your walking speed can be increased by 5' and then 10', but that new total (45' or whatever) is also your swimming speed or climbing speed. As long as you have both, I think you'd end up at the same speeds.
It depends on the order you apply the rules in. Starting with Walk Speed 30:
Because Roving gives you Climb and Swim equal to Walk, when Superior Mobility adds to Walk, it also adds to Roving's Climb and Swim. When it then also adds to Climb and Swim, this increases those speeds beyond Walk. But if you have no Climb or Swim speed yet, it has nothing to add to.
We have no rules for reconciling this, which means they don't reconcile. There are a variety of other ways for the order in which you take your levels to matter, such as Barbarian before Monk or Monk before Barbarian. That would happen here, as well - the order in which you gain the class abilities would be the order in which they modify you.
Nah, I don't think SM applies twice to your climbing and swimming speed. Either your climbing and swimming speeds are set to your walking speed before you apply roving (meaning they're all the same) or after (meaning you don't have a climbing or swimming speeds until after you gain your SM movement).
It would be at best inconsistent to say that Roving keeps your swim and climb speeds equal to your walking speed always except when it inexplicably doesn’t.
If you apply Roving first, your Climb and Swim are set to Walk, and then Superior Mobility adds 10 to Walk (which adds 10 to Climb and Swim, because Roving dynamically scales with Walk) and a second 10 each to Climb and Swim, which is how you get to 55 in each from 30 base, despite 45 Walk. There's no inconsistency, because Roving only applies once. What becomes inconsistent is if you try to apply Roving twice (once before Superior Mobility, and then again afterward, to reduce Climb and Swim down to Walk).
As I noted, if you apply Roving second, you end up with 45 in each, because Superior Mobility won't add to a climb or swim speed you don't have.
Nah. That is a ruling one could make, but not the one that I would.
You even say you applied Superior Mobility twice in your explanation. I simply think that is a bad ruling. Either you gain those other speeds equal to your walking speed once, or dynamically, but your reading doesn’t take either of those to their logical conclusion.
D&D beyond makes the same ruling that I do, FWIW.
Yea I'd have to agree with Wolf. The second part of Superior Mobility is there to make sure you get the increase to climb/swim, not to make you get it twice.
Why are you scaling Roving dynamically? The wording is a one-time effect.
It gives you an extra 5 feet of walking speed, then it gives you a climbing speed and a swimming speed to match the adjusted walking speed at that point. It has no further affect after that.