So I'm making a new character. And I was going between either bard or a wizard concept that I've had in mind for quite a while. We're a little short on healing so therefore the bard would make an ovious choice but.. I wanna make sure I get it right this time. So I thought, hey! What if she multi classes to bard at 10th level? Turns out that multi classing two caster class is a lot of: "srsly wtf? Okay I'm gonna read that again." So we've just reached 9th level, and my new character concept is a wizard primarily. And she is writing a book about her adventurers. So a multi class into bard would make sense ^^. So I thought that at 10th level she could jump into being a bard. But I need to know if first of all is it worth it? Because it's gonna take for ******* ever to reach 5th level, where bards start to become their best. Gaining their bardic pep talk back on a short rest, they have a d8 not a d(shit)6. And at that point we're level 14. But there are a few questions I hope you people have some answers too. Also, a quick note, we've thrown "MAD" out the window. Because else dual classing would SUCK.
Question: If I have two caster classes, like wizard and bard. Do I just use my highest spell save DC? Or is it int based for wizard and cha based for bard still?
Question: So if I gain two levels in bard, and I'm a 9th level wizard. Using the multi class spell slot table, I can cast, say "counterspell" at 6th level, but I don't know any 6th level spells? Or did I roll a natural 1 on my intelligence check.
I think those are the questions on the top of my head. I might need answers to a few more in the future. Thanks in advance! ^^
If you are a level 9 wizard and level 1 bard then you are considered a level 10 multiclass caster, and get the slots for that level from the multiclass table. The spells you know, however are separated by class, so you know the same spells that a level 9 wizard and a level 1 bard would know. Yes, you will generally have slot levels higher than the highest spells you know. The use for them is to upcast your lower level spells, hopefully with spells that are more effective at higher levels. And yes, your two spell lists are completely separate. You must prepare your wizard spells using the rules for a level 9 wizard, and when you level up a second bard level you will learn spells exactly as if you were just becoming a level 2 bard (still accessing only 1st lvl bard spells). Your slots are non-denominational so can be used for either spell list, but when you cast a spell from your Wizard list it uses Int, and when you cast a spell from your Bard it uses Cha.
RegentCorreon covered your questions, but to summarize:
Each caster class will have separate save DC and hit bonuses based on the class's ability (Wiz DC 8+prof+INT hit:prof+INT, Bard DC 8+prof+CHA hit:prof+CHA). Note that your proficiency bonus is based on your character level, not your class levels.
Your spell slots are determined by you combined spellcaster level, but your spells known (and spells prepared for that matter) are determined by individual spellcasting classes. You seem to be understanding this correctly.
Spell slots are determined by spellcaster level? Could you explain that as well? Sorry but I wanna get sure that I understand this if I am gonna do it ^^ hope you understand ^^
Spell slots are determined by spellcaster level? Could you explain that as well? Sorry but I wanna get sure that I understand this if I am gonna do it ^^ hope you understand ^^
Your multiclass spellcaster level is the sum total of all your full caster class levels (wizard, cleric, druid, bard, sorcerer), plus your half-caster levels divided by two (paladin, ranger), plus your Eldrich Knight/Arcane Trickster levels divided by three. Warlocks don't count - their spellcasting is kept separate. So a level 12 character Druid 6/Ranger 3/Barbarian 3 would be a level 7 spellcaster (Barb adds nothing, and 1.5 from Ranger rounds down).
Warlocks don't count, kind of . Pact Slots and Spell Slot are distinct resources, and Warlock levels don't count towards your multiclass spellcaster level nor vice versa... but if you're a multiclass Warlock/Other Spellcaster, remember that you can cast your known Warlock spells using Spell Slots (at the level of the spell slot used), or other caster known spells using Pact Slots (at the Pact Spell Level appropriate to your warlock level).
It's just a little too complicated for my taste, but definitely easier to keep track of then multiclass spellcasting from earlier editions, a step in the right direction!
So I'm making a new character. And I was going between either bard or a wizard concept that I've had in mind for quite a while. We're a little short on healing so therefore the bard would make an ovious choice but.. I wanna make sure I get it right this time. So I thought, hey! What if she multi classes to bard at 10th level? Turns out that multi classing two caster class is a lot of: "srsly wtf? Okay I'm gonna read that again." So we've just reached 9th level, and my new character concept is a wizard primarily. And she is writing a book about her adventurers. So a multi class into bard would make sense ^^. So I thought that at 10th level she could jump into being a bard. But I need to know if first of all is it worth it? Because it's gonna take for ******* ever to reach 5th level, where bards start to become their best. Gaining their bardic pep talk back on a short rest, they have a d8 not a d(shit)6. And at that point we're level 14.
But there are a few questions I hope you people have some answers too. Also, a quick note, we've thrown "MAD" out the window. Because else dual classing would SUCK.
Question: If I have two caster classes, like wizard and bard. Do I just use my highest spell save DC? Or is it int based for wizard and cha based for bard still?
Question: So if I gain two levels in bard, and I'm a 9th level wizard. Using the multi class spell slot table, I can cast, say "counterspell" at 6th level, but I don't know any 6th level spells? Or did I roll a natural 1 on my intelligence check.
I think those are the questions on the top of my head. I might need answers to a few more in the future. Thanks in advance! ^^
If you are a level 9 wizard and level 1 bard then you are considered a level 10 multiclass caster, and get the slots for that level from the multiclass table. The spells you know, however are separated by class, so you know the same spells that a level 9 wizard and a level 1 bard would know. Yes, you will generally have slot levels higher than the highest spells you know. The use for them is to upcast your lower level spells, hopefully with spells that are more effective at higher levels. And yes, your two spell lists are completely separate. You must prepare your wizard spells using the rules for a level 9 wizard, and when you level up a second bard level you will learn spells exactly as if you were just becoming a level 2 bard (still accessing only 1st lvl bard spells). Your slots are non-denominational so can be used for either spell list, but when you cast a spell from your Wizard list it uses Int, and when you cast a spell from your Bard it uses Cha.
RegentCorreon covered your questions, but to summarize:
Each caster class will have separate save DC and hit bonuses based on the class's ability (Wiz DC 8+prof+INT hit:prof+INT, Bard DC 8+prof+CHA hit:prof+CHA). Note that your proficiency bonus is based on your character level, not your class levels.
Your spell slots are determined by you combined spellcaster level, but your spells known (and spells prepared for that matter) are determined by individual spellcasting classes. You seem to be understanding this correctly.
Spell slots are determined by spellcaster level? Could you explain that as well? Sorry but I wanna get sure that I understand this if I am gonna do it ^^ hope you understand ^^
Thank you! That cleared up a lot of it. ^^
Your multiclass spellcaster level is the sum total of all your full caster class levels (wizard, cleric, druid, bard, sorcerer), plus your half-caster levels divided by two (paladin, ranger), plus your Eldrich Knight/Arcane Trickster levels divided by three. Warlocks don't count - their spellcasting is kept separate. So a level 12 character Druid 6/Ranger 3/Barbarian 3 would be a level 7 spellcaster (Barb adds nothing, and 1.5 from Ranger rounds down).
Warlocks don't count, kind of . Pact Slots and Spell Slot are distinct resources, and Warlock levels don't count towards your multiclass spellcaster level nor vice versa... but if you're a multiclass Warlock/Other Spellcaster, remember that you can cast your known Warlock spells using Spell Slots (at the level of the spell slot used), or other caster known spells using Pact Slots (at the Pact Spell Level appropriate to your warlock level).
It's just a little too complicated for my taste, but definitely easier to keep track of then multiclass spellcasting from earlier editions, a step in the right direction!
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I'm going to make this way harder than it needs to be.
Aaaaah! Thank you! I'm liking like the fact that favored classes aren't a think anymore, even more than I did before! xD