Hello, my fiance and I just watched Honor Among Thieves. It was a little campy, the pacing was awkward, and the druid used wild shape 7 times in the span of an hour, if that. Still, it was fun and had some really enjoyable moments. I don't think it's one I'll need to re-watch, however I felt it was worth watching once. But there is one thing my fiance and I cannot agree on: What class is the protagonist?
My fiance thinks he's a college of valor bard who doesn't have any magic. I think he's a mastermind rogue who doesn't have sneak attack. Both could fulfill the "charismatic leader" role, and both have expertise and proficiency out the wazoo. Ultimately he kind of felt like a normal no level commoner who happened to have some extra hit points. If he was meant to be a bard, I don't believe for a second we wouldn't have seen a charm person, or at least a friends spell.
I haven't seen it yet, so I'm not qualified to have any serious opinion on the matter, but it's pretty safe to say that the movie took significant liberties with the mechanics of D&D when adapting the movie. For practical purposes, all of the characters are NPCs and do not conform, nor have any expectation of conforming, to PC archetypes.
Ergo, the characters are exactly as presented and trying to fit them into an existing box isn't a matter of truthiness.
As for whether or not the protagonist is a bard or a rogue or whatever you think, I agree with what people have said so far about the producers not conforming exactly to the rules of D&D. I think that they might've been going for even just the idea of that charismatic leader, but made him in a way that compared to the others, he was pretty normal, and therefore relatable. Like the fact that he lead these really cool characters that could shapeshift, cast spells, perform inhuman feats of strength, and just things like that, all while he himself never cast a spell. I just think that they were trying to make it easier for us to connect with him and understand him.
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Since the thread mentioned spoilers... I'd say Chris Pine's character was a Bard, but I poorly written one at that. He seemed worthless at most times with his only usefulness being persuasion and leadership. The Druid seemed OP at times and then weak at other times... The wild magic sorcerer was perfect. The Barbarian stole the movie, she was the best part even though you couldn't tell if she ever raged or not. The paladin was cool... The fat dragon was a little dumb...
Aw, I kind of liked the fat dragon. Granted, it made me wonder just how much a dragon would actually have to eat to get that big, and if that would even be possible in its environment. Maybe the lad has been feasting on mind flayers or something. I thought he was fun though. The paladin was awesome. I wish we saw more of him, but he was clearly way stronger than the other characters. Him joining may have complicated the power dynamic. I agree that the barbarian was the best, and I also really liked the sorcerer. Like you said the druid was kind of on a yoyo as far as power went. She was still fun to watch, but the consistency was all over the place. I think I only liked her so much because she's cute and kind of reminded me of how one of our party members plays their rogue. She also had a really fun line calling out the protagonists for being kind of useless. Something like, "If all you do is make plans and you've already told us the plan, why do we still need you?"
Maybe the protagonist really was just a dude with high charisma and decent intelligence? No actual class, just lucked out on stats. He was part of some sort of secret police type deal, so I thought they were doing to do a little more with that. Maybe he's what happens when a player writes a super fantastic backstory with incredible feats despite starting at level one.
The "Secret Police" are the Harpers, a really important faction in Faerun that have been around for ever. The movie actually included a lot of Forgotten Realms lore.
They even factor into some of the 5E adventures (Sister Garaela from the Lost Mine's of Phandelver is a member, for example).
Doric the Druid was also part of the Emerald Enclave, another prominent faction.
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Hello, my fiance and I just watched Honor Among Thieves. It was a little campy, the pacing was awkward, and the druid used wild shape 7 times in the span of an hour, if that. Still, it was fun and had some really enjoyable moments. I don't think it's one I'll need to re-watch, however I felt it was worth watching once. But there is one thing my fiance and I cannot agree on: What class is the protagonist?
My fiance thinks he's a college of valor bard who doesn't have any magic. I think he's a mastermind rogue who doesn't have sneak attack. Both could fulfill the "charismatic leader" role, and both have expertise and proficiency out the wazoo. Ultimately he kind of felt like a normal no level commoner who happened to have some extra hit points. If he was meant to be a bard, I don't believe for a second we wouldn't have seen a charm person, or at least a friends spell.
I haven't seen it yet, so I'm not qualified to have any serious opinion on the matter, but it's pretty safe to say that the movie took significant liberties with the mechanics of D&D when adapting the movie. For practical purposes, all of the characters are NPCs and do not conform, nor have any expectation of conforming, to PC archetypes.
Ergo, the characters are exactly as presented and trying to fit them into an existing box isn't a matter of truthiness.
I did find the power level displayed by the various different characters interesting. 3 of the 4 seemed quite potent by the end. The other made plans.
Haven’t seen it yet. But, the film makers have been clear the movie is not RAW. The characters are not PCs, and don’t even try to follow PC rules.
I've seen it, and enjoyed it.
As for whether or not the protagonist is a bard or a rogue or whatever you think, I agree with what people have said so far about the producers not conforming exactly to the rules of D&D. I think that they might've been going for even just the idea of that charismatic leader, but made him in a way that compared to the others, he was pretty normal, and therefore relatable. Like the fact that he lead these really cool characters that could shapeshift, cast spells, perform inhuman feats of strength, and just things like that, all while he himself never cast a spell. I just think that they were trying to make it easier for us to connect with him and understand him.
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He’s a bard.
Since the thread mentioned spoilers... I'd say Chris Pine's character was a Bard, but I poorly written one at that. He seemed worthless at most times with his only usefulness being persuasion and leadership. The Druid seemed OP at times and then weak at other times... The wild magic sorcerer was perfect. The Barbarian stole the movie, she was the best part even though you couldn't tell if she ever raged or not. The paladin was cool... The fat dragon was a little dumb...
The Bradley Cooper part was hilarious...
Aw, I kind of liked the fat dragon. Granted, it made me wonder just how much a dragon would actually have to eat to get that big, and if that would even be possible in its environment. Maybe the lad has been feasting on mind flayers or something. I thought he was fun though. The paladin was awesome. I wish we saw more of him, but he was clearly way stronger than the other characters. Him joining may have complicated the power dynamic. I agree that the barbarian was the best, and I also really liked the sorcerer. Like you said the druid was kind of on a yoyo as far as power went. She was still fun to watch, but the consistency was all over the place. I think I only liked her so much because she's cute and kind of reminded me of how one of our party members plays their rogue. She also had a really fun line calling out the protagonists for being kind of useless. Something like, "If all you do is make plans and you've already told us the plan, why do we still need you?"
Maybe the protagonist really was just a dude with high charisma and decent intelligence? No actual class, just lucked out on stats. He was part of some sort of secret police type deal, so I thought they were doing to do a little more with that. Maybe he's what happens when a player writes a super fantastic backstory with incredible feats despite starting at level one.
The "Secret Police" are the Harpers, a really important faction in Faerun that have been around for ever. The movie actually included a lot of Forgotten Realms lore.
They even factor into some of the 5E adventures (Sister Garaela from the Lost Mine's of Phandelver is a member, for example).
Doric the Druid was also part of the Emerald Enclave, another prominent faction.