I need some help, I have a player arguing that he can use this spell as portent to affect their own PCs checks. When presented with this line within the spell..
“For the next 24 hours, you may substitute any roll of an ally or enemy you can see within 60 feet with one of the recorded numbers that matches the type of roll you wish to replace (attack roll, skill check, or saving throw).”
they lean into the argument that they are their own ally. Can anyone else offer any solid argument that agrees with their statement or to definitively reject it?
I think they are talking about Invoke the Amaranthine from the humblewood setting but not got that piece of 3rd party content, I just did a quick google and found this page.
This is 3rd party content (and one I don't have access too). But as it uses the wording "ally or enemy" (which is weird in a D&D context, hostile creatures are usually called hostile creatures) would imply that you can't use it on yourself. If it were something you could use on yourself then they could more simply just say, "you may substitute any roll of any creature you see within 60 feet", as you are a creature you yourself can see, thus I think the wording is designed to explicitly say you can not use it on yourself but others may have different interpretations, overall it's 3rd party content and you're the DM, whatever decision you make will be the final decision for your campaign.
then they could more simply just say, "you may substitute any roll of any creature you see within 60 feet", as you are a creature you yourself can see, thus I think the wording is designed to explicitly say you can not use it on yourself but others may have different interpretations, overall it's 3rd party content and you're the DM, whatever decision you make will be the final decision for your campaign.
If the sentence "You can see yourself" works in the scenario where they use that wording of "A creature you can see within range", then its the exact same as "An ally or X" and YOU are an Ally to yourself..., unless you play a schizophrenic character with both personalities considering the other his Enemy ;p
Now there is a distinction between "Target AN Ally" and "Target ALL allies".
If you target "ALL allies" it includeds yourself, the same way as a "Targets all creatures in range" would also include the caster, but "AN Ally", really would suggest "ANOTHER creature than yourself".
Usually spells/abilities that allow for the caster to benefit from it will be written "Allies (including the caster)".
Now there as also been cases where if asked the question, people at WotC would always rule that "You ARE an Ally to yourself"
then they could more simply just say, "you may substitute any roll of any creature you see within 60 feet", as you are a creature you yourself can see, thus I think the wording is designed to explicitly say you can not use it on yourself but others may have different interpretations, overall it's 3rd party content and you're the DM, whatever decision you make will be the final decision for your campaign.
If the sentence "You can see yourself" works in the scenario where they use that wording of "A creature you can see within range", then its the exact same as "An ally or X" and YOU are an Ally to yourself..., unless you play a schizophrenic character with both personalities considering the other his Enemy ;p
Now there is a distinction between "Target AN Ally" and "Target ALL allies".
If you target "ALL allies" it includeds yourself, the same way as a "Targets all creatures in range" would also include the caster, but "AN Ally", really would suggest "ANOTHER creature than yourself".
Usually spells/abilities that allow for the caster to benefit from it will be written "Allies (including the caster)".
Now there as also been cases where if asked the question, people at WotC would always rule that "You ARE an Ally to yourself"
Ally is ill-defined in 2014 but explicitly is defined it 2024 and is not defined in the way you're suggesting, you can't be an ally to yourself, I believe it's mentioned somewhere in the DMG in 2014 and again in such a way where you can not be an ally to yourself, no.
Yeah sorry it’s Invoke the Amaranthine, sorry autocorrect got me. I wanted opinions from others out there. I also bounced it off of my other DMs and all agree that you can not be your own ally. I also wanted to see what if any strong arguments could be made in the players favor.
thanks everyone for your inputs.
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I need some help, I have a player arguing that he can use this spell as portent to affect their own PCs checks. When presented with this line within the spell..
“For the next 24 hours, you may substitute any roll of an ally or enemy you can see within 60 feet with one of the recorded numbers that matches the type of roll you wish to replace (attack roll, skill check, or saving throw).”
they lean into the argument that they are their own ally. Can anyone else offer any solid argument that agrees with their statement or to definitively reject it?
What spell is that? Is it a homebrew?
I think they are talking about Invoke the Amaranthine from the humblewood setting but not got that piece of 3rd party content, I just did a quick google and found this page.
This is 3rd party content (and one I don't have access too). But as it uses the wording "ally or enemy" (which is weird in a D&D context, hostile creatures are usually called hostile creatures) would imply that you can't use it on yourself. If it were something you could use on yourself then they could more simply just say, "you may substitute any roll of any creature you see within 60 feet", as you are a creature you yourself can see, thus I think the wording is designed to explicitly say you can not use it on yourself but others may have different interpretations, overall it's 3rd party content and you're the DM, whatever decision you make will be the final decision for your campaign.
If the sentence "You can see yourself" works in the scenario where they use that wording of "A creature you can see within range", then its the exact same as "An ally or X" and YOU are an Ally to yourself..., unless you play a schizophrenic character with both personalities considering the other his Enemy ;p
Now there is a distinction between "Target AN Ally" and "Target ALL allies".
If you target "ALL allies" it includeds yourself, the same way as a "Targets all creatures in range" would also include the caster, but "AN Ally", really would suggest "ANOTHER creature than yourself".
Usually spells/abilities that allow for the caster to benefit from it will be written "Allies (including the caster)".
Now there as also been cases where if asked the question, people at WotC would always rule that "You ARE an Ally to yourself"
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Ally is ill-defined in 2014 but explicitly is defined it 2024 and is not defined in the way you're suggesting, you can't be an ally to yourself, I believe it's mentioned somewhere in the DMG in 2014 and again in such a way where you can not be an ally to yourself, no.
Yeah sorry it’s Invoke the Amaranthine, sorry autocorrect got me. I wanted opinions from others out there. I also bounced it off of my other DMs and all agree that you can not be your own ally. I also wanted to see what if any strong arguments could be made in the players favor.
thanks everyone for your inputs.