I have an idea that's been rolling around in my head for a few days now and I think I just need to bounce it off a few people to solidify it. How would you handle a patron changing its type for the warlock? For example, let's just say that Zariel was someone's patron before she fell. Then she falls. What happens to her celestial warlock? Do they become a fiendlock now? Obviously, this would be exceedingly rare in any setting, but as a concept it's intrigued me.
Follow on question:
If you accept that a patron can begin to change how a warlock thinks/acts through their relationship, do you think a warlock could possibly do the same? Perhaps being the final straw that made the patron change in the first place (though certainly not the only reason)?
I like the concept. I don't think that Zariel falling would necessarily mean that the warlock changes subclass, but it could be one way to do it, and I think it's interesting.
I also think that the warlock can influence the patron, for sure, but I think I'd save that for higher level warlocks.
Actually, thinking about both things that you said, it could also work the other way around. What if Zariel falls, but the warlock is still a celestial warlock? Still gets Sacred Flame, Summon Celestial, etc. Assuming the warlock's powers are always linked to the patron's (which isn't always the case, but let's assume that's how this one works), then that could be a way for the warlock to influence the patron. Even indirectly, just by still having celestial powers, the warlock is kind of telling Zariel "You're still a celestial deep inside." And if that were the little seed that starts Zariel's redemption arc, that could be really cool.
I've done this with characters before. I have a warlock named Isael who had like 4 patrons. I posted about him on Who is your Patron? post by Collin_Lightman. The patrons were at different times and did affect how my warlock acted. His patron actually was Zariel. He became her warlock when she was an angel, being a celestial warlock, but then when she fell, he became a fiend warlock.
In the words of the great philosopher, Unicorse, "Aaaannnnd why should I care??"
Best quote from a book ever: "If you love with your eyes, death is forever. If you love with your heart, there is no such thing as parting."- Jonah Cook, Ascendant, Songs of Chaos by Michael R. Miller. Highly recommend
Thanks for the input! It seems like it's fair to say it could go one of several ways with the warlock's powers and still be feasible within the confines of the already generous DnD settings. This has been helpful.
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I have an idea that's been rolling around in my head for a few days now and I think I just need to bounce it off a few people to solidify it. How would you handle a patron changing its type for the warlock? For example, let's just say that Zariel was someone's patron before she fell. Then she falls. What happens to her celestial warlock? Do they become a fiendlock now? Obviously, this would be exceedingly rare in any setting, but as a concept it's intrigued me.
Follow on question:
If you accept that a patron can begin to change how a warlock thinks/acts through their relationship, do you think a warlock could possibly do the same? Perhaps being the final straw that made the patron change in the first place (though certainly not the only reason)?
I like the concept. I don't think that Zariel falling would necessarily mean that the warlock changes subclass, but it could be one way to do it, and I think it's interesting.
I also think that the warlock can influence the patron, for sure, but I think I'd save that for higher level warlocks.
Actually, thinking about both things that you said, it could also work the other way around. What if Zariel falls, but the warlock is still a celestial warlock? Still gets Sacred Flame, Summon Celestial, etc. Assuming the warlock's powers are always linked to the patron's (which isn't always the case, but let's assume that's how this one works), then that could be a way for the warlock to influence the patron. Even indirectly, just by still having celestial powers, the warlock is kind of telling Zariel "You're still a celestial deep inside." And if that were the little seed that starts Zariel's redemption arc, that could be really cool.
I've done this with characters before. I have a warlock named Isael who had like 4 patrons. I posted about him on Who is your Patron? post by Collin_Lightman. The patrons were at different times and did affect how my warlock acted. His patron actually was Zariel. He became her warlock when she was an angel, being a celestial warlock, but then when she fell, he became a fiend warlock.
In the words of the great philosopher, Unicorse, "Aaaannnnd why should I care??"
Best quote from a book ever: "If you love with your eyes, death is forever. If you love with your heart, there is no such thing as parting."- Jonah Cook, Ascendant, Songs of Chaos by Michael R. Miller. Highly recommend
Thanks for the input! It seems like it's fair to say it could go one of several ways with the warlock's powers and still be feasible within the confines of the already generous DnD settings. This has been helpful.