You can use the old subclasses with the new 2024 rules, you just won't get any of your subclass feature until level 3 when you get to pick your subclass. So in the case of the Necromancer, your subclass ability Grim Harvest will come online at level 3 instead of level 2 as it did under 2014 rules.
Well, that's not quite accurate. Basically you're home brewing that. Technically the answer should be 'no, you can't'. I have a half-orc Necromancer wizard who I refuse to remake as 5.5e...because you you can't. You are going to be bastardising the rule sets and winging it. While I genuinely like most of the 5.5e changes, they are NOT as compatible as spruiked. Until Necromancer becomes a 5.5e subclass the answer is no. It apparently is in the works and I look forward to it, but until then you have only Evocation, Divination, Illusion, and Abjuration to choose from.
Well, that's not quite accurate. Basically you're home brewing that. Technically the answer should be 'no, you can't'. I have a half-orc Necromancer wizard who I refuse to remake as 5.5e...because you you can't. You are going to be bastardising the rule sets and winging it. While I genuinely like most of the 5.5e changes, they are NOT as compatible as spruiked. Until Necromancer becomes a 5.5e subclass the answer is no. It apparently is in the works and I look forward to it, but until then you have only Evocation, Divination, Illusion, and Abjuration to choose from.
It's perfectly fine to have that restriction at your table, but that is not what the official word from WOTC is on this issue.
I know. The WOTC word is that everything is rainbows and sunshie. The issue is that there IS conflict in the data; compatible implies no contradictions or problems.
To what where you referring if you disagree with me?
I know. The WOTC word is that everything is rainbows and sunshie. The issue is that there IS conflict in the data; compatible implies no contradictions or problems.
To what where you referring if you disagree with me?
I don’t really know what you’re trying to say here. What’s data are you talking about? What contradictions or problems are there with using the 2014 College of Necromancy subclass with the 2024 Wizard class?
Well, that's not quite accurate. Basically you're home brewing that. Technically the answer should be 'no, you can't'. I have a half-orc Necromancer wizard who I refuse to remake as 5.5e...because you you can't. You are going to be bastardising the rule sets and winging it. While I genuinely like most of the 5.5e changes, they are NOT as compatible as spruiked. Until Necromancer becomes a 5.5e subclass the answer is no. It apparently is in the works and I look forward to it, but until then you have only Evocation, Divination, Illusion, and Abjuration to choose from.
WOTC designed 5.5e to be backwards compatible with 5e. Unless your DM has any restrictions on using subclasses from older books (and this is not 6e, but 5.5e), you should be able to use it perfectly fine.
Most of the DMs in the stores I play at are rapidly migrating to only 2024 rules. I suspect you just need to ask your DM what they'll allow at their table.
The DMs you play with do not seem to understand what "BACKWARDS COMPATIBALE" means. Perkins and Crawford stated that old subclasses that have not bene reprinted are COMATIBLE. Simkple change the levl 3 SAVANT feature to match the 2024 SAVANT feature, and BOOM 100% compatible
The DMs you play with do not seem to understand what "BACKWARDS COMPATIBALE" means. Perkins and Crawford stated that old subclasses that have not bene reprinted are COMATIBLE. Simkple change the levl 3 SAVANT feature to match the 2024 SAVANT feature, and BOOM 100% compatible
This is EXACTLY what I will be doing with my 2024 PBH campaign. I'm having a hard time finding that specific homebrew subclass on dndbeyond. I'm not familiar with the homebrew tools though (seems a little daunting). Any leads on that specific "homebrew" subclass?
The DMs you play with do not seem to understand what "BACKWARDS COMPATIBALE" means. Perkins and Crawford stated that old subclasses that have not bene reprinted are COMATIBLE. Simkple change the levl 3 SAVANT feature to match the 2024 SAVANT feature, and BOOM 100% compatible
You phrase that like Perkins and Crawford are the law. The DMG clearly says that the DM's word is law. If a DM says they don't want something at their table then that's that. There is no obligation to be backwards compatible.
That's why you have session zero. It let's the players and DMs understand each other. If a player really, really wants to play something specific and the DM (and the other players since they are part of the same game) are cool with it, then everyone wins. If not... well, nobody is forcing us all to play together. I can always find another game.
Most of the DMs in the stores I play at are rapidly migrating to only 2024 rules. I suspect you just need to ask your DM what they'll allow at their table.
Weird - most DMs I know are sticking with 2014 rules for now. That said, everything is backwards compatible with minimal effort anyways so just use the 2014 Necromancer on the 2024 kit if that's something you're interested in. DnDBeyond can't do it but DnDBeyond has always struggled with fringe rules.
I was able to create my own by making a copy a current 2024 subclass and then changing the SAVANT for necromancer and then straight up replacing the rest of the level progressions.
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Does anyone know if it is possible to use a 5e Class with 5e 2024 character creation rules?
You can use the old subclasses with the new 2024 rules, you just won't get any of your subclass feature until level 3 when you get to pick your subclass. So in the case of the Necromancer, your subclass ability Grim Harvest will come online at level 3 instead of level 2 as it did under 2014 rules.
Thanks!
Well, that's not quite accurate. Basically you're home brewing that. Technically the answer should be 'no, you can't'. I have a half-orc Necromancer wizard who I refuse to remake as 5.5e...because you you can't. You are going to be bastardising the rule sets and winging it. While I genuinely like most of the 5.5e changes, they are NOT as compatible as spruiked. Until Necromancer becomes a 5.5e subclass the answer is no. It apparently is in the works and I look forward to it, but until then you have only Evocation, Divination, Illusion, and Abjuration to choose from.
It's perfectly fine to have that restriction at your table, but that is not what the official word from WOTC is on this issue.
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I know. The WOTC word is that everything is rainbows and sunshie. The issue is that there IS conflict in the data; compatible implies no contradictions or problems.
To what where you referring if you disagree with me?
I don’t really know what you’re trying to say here. What’s data are you talking about? What contradictions or problems are there with using the 2014 College of Necromancy subclass with the 2024 Wizard class?
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yes, if you also buy the PHB 2014 digital.
WOTC designed 5.5e to be backwards compatible with 5e. Unless your DM has any restrictions on using subclasses from older books (and this is not 6e, but 5.5e), you should be able to use it perfectly fine.
Most of the DMs in the stores I play at are rapidly migrating to only 2024 rules. I suspect you just need to ask your DM what they'll allow at their table.
The DMs you play with do not seem to understand what "BACKWARDS COMPATIBALE" means. Perkins and Crawford stated that old subclasses that have not bene reprinted are COMATIBLE. Simkple change the levl 3 SAVANT feature to match the 2024 SAVANT feature, and BOOM 100% compatible
This is EXACTLY what I will be doing with my 2024 PBH campaign. I'm having a hard time finding that specific homebrew subclass on dndbeyond. I'm not familiar with the homebrew tools though (seems a little daunting). Any leads on that specific "homebrew" subclass?
You phrase that like Perkins and Crawford are the law. The DMG clearly says that the DM's word is law. If a DM says they don't want something at their table then that's that. There is no obligation to be backwards compatible.
That's why you have session zero. It let's the players and DMs understand each other. If a player really, really wants to play something specific and the DM (and the other players since they are part of the same game) are cool with it, then everyone wins. If not... well, nobody is forcing us all to play together. I can always find another game.
Weird - most DMs I know are sticking with 2014 rules for now.
That said, everything is backwards compatible with minimal effort anyways so just use the 2014 Necromancer on the 2024 kit if that's something you're interested in. DnDBeyond can't do it but DnDBeyond has always struggled with fringe rules.
I was able to create my own by making a copy a current 2024 subclass and then changing the SAVANT for necromancer and then straight up replacing the rest of the level progressions.