or rather, in an hypothetical variant of the 5e rules where every class has access to any spell on any spell list and the concept of spell lists at all was more or less abolished, would the wizard class suffer because of that? would the class still be viable compared to other options in the game? like it has some nice sub classes, and they do get the benefit of casting all the ritual spells they have without needing to bother about preparing them, but other than that they would likely feel quite limited compared to other prepared casters, right?
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I think it would remain pretty viable in comparison, balance wise, but it might suffer a bit of an identity crisis. If everyone can access any spell, that means wizards would have an easier time being healers or gishes if they wanted. They can literally have every spell in their spellbook at that point so an already flexible class would become literally the most flexible.
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they wouldn't need some classes as much because they could do the healing that they need others to do for them. They would still be the most versatile - I guess the effect would be similar to the bard's magical secrets for the wizard. An all wizard party might be more viable because they'd have access to healing spells and more survival in the wild style spells.
Sorc still has a very limited number of spells to choose from.
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Clerics, Druids, Palainds and Artificers know all the spells on their spell list. They do not have a limit based on Spells known. These spellcasters would get a HUGE boost in power.
Other casters are limited. Sorcerors, Bards, Warlocks, Etc. have a limited # of spells known that they can change only when they level up. Wizards have to PAY to learn a spell and put it into their spellbook.
Effectively, Clerics and Druids would become the new Wizards - able to change their spells every morning to whatever they want. Need a healer today? Got you covered. Blaster? OK, give me a minute to memorize my spells.
Yes, Wizards would be on par with Sorcerors and Warlocks. But Druids and Clerics would crush them. Mostly by preparing 90% wizard spells with a few others.
or rather, in an hypothetical variant of the 5e rules where every class has access to any spell on any spell list and the concept of spell lists at all was more or less abolished, would the wizard class suffer because of that? would the class still be viable compared to other options in the game? like it has some nice sub classes, and they do get the benefit of casting all the ritual spells they have without needing to bother about preparing them, but other than that they would likely feel quite limited compared to other prepared casters, right?
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I think it would remain pretty viable in comparison, balance wise, but it might suffer a bit of an identity crisis. If everyone can access any spell, that means wizards would have an easier time being healers or gishes if they wanted. They can literally have every spell in their spellbook at that point so an already flexible class would become literally the most flexible.
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alla sua bellezza
ad ogni sua ferita
ogni sua carezza!
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To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me
The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!
I think they would still be a good choice, Arcane recovery will give them back spells slots, and they can prepare more spells.
they wouldn't need some classes as much because they could do the healing that they need others to do for them. They would still be the most versatile - I guess the effect would be similar to the bard's magical secrets for the wizard. An all wizard party might be more viable because they'd have access to healing spells and more survival in the wild style spells.
Chilling kinda vibe.
What would make a wizard balanced compared to a sorcerer, then?
Sorc still has a very limited number of spells to choose from.
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Winners and Losers in a no-spell list world:
Winners:
Losers:
Clerics, Druids, Palainds and Artificers know all the spells on their spell list. They do not have a limit based on Spells known. These spellcasters would get a HUGE boost in power.
Other casters are limited. Sorcerors, Bards, Warlocks, Etc. have a limited # of spells known that they can change only when they level up. Wizards have to PAY to learn a spell and put it into their spellbook.
Effectively, Clerics and Druids would become the new Wizards - able to change their spells every morning to whatever they want. Need a healer today? Got you covered. Blaster? OK, give me a minute to memorize my spells.
Yes, Wizards would be on par with Sorcerors and Warlocks. But Druids and Clerics would crush them. Mostly by preparing 90% wizard spells with a few others.
Circle of the Land Druids would be the best casters, bar none.
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