Why can't we have reasonable ways to multiclass without the usual penalties? I'm certain that some races would be well-suited for that, given the right kinds of levels.
… and I think they're penalized enough just due to a limit in levels too!
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Dragonborn can multiclass Sorcery on lv5. Druid and Ranger, any species, can also multiclass, but only if you don't have any other class. Dwarf can multiclass Cleric at lv6.
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The mutliclass rules are there for balance purposes and the game will get very unbalanced without them.
But, while there are restrictions or a little reworking of some features there are no actual penalties imposed. So I'm not sure what you specifically mean by this.
By dragonkin did you mean dragonborn? They can take the sorcery class. But this is a class not an inherent racial feature so it doesn't work different for them in any way.
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There's always ways to re-balance, as I've learned. For example, if every species can have a few multiclass tricks, that would balance it right there.
The key is to cover all the classes and all the species in this case. I'm thinking that each species and class can multi with 2 facets each.
Besides, how many people do you see going more than 1 class? Not many, due to the penalties involved.
So, how about I come up with a feasible list to do that?
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For example, armor and specials in them. But certain deadly multiclass combos could really counter certain others.
Take multi with Druid, Cleric, and Ranger, for example. Multi would give them bonuses in wisdom, constitution, and dexterity, but penalties in intellect and strength. Or Wizard, Mage, and Sorcerer would beef up wisdom, intellect, and charisma, but encumbrance penalties would double/triple, and drop strength, dexterity, and constitution.
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Multiclassing doesn't impose penalties. Nor does encumberance beyond reducing movement.
Classes do not increase your scores (with exception to Barbarian) but do not penalise any either. Some grant you proficiency in certain saving throws but not as a multiclass - your saving throw proficiencies are determined by your starting class or feats taken during levelling up.
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… hopeless. I knew it would take a great deal of cognition to convince you to remove it and add the homebrew version.
But I will say this: ethics. There are those who want more realism. So there.
Me? No. But I know that anything would be enough to tolerate it provided it's at least fair OR reasonable.
So, I say this: Power without wisdom can only lead to destruction.
… your probably going to take the dark side on that, so I'm definitely out.
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You know this is 5th Edition, right?
Let's say I happen to have 14 in all ability scores and be a fighter, if I decided to multiclass into Sorcerer, I would still have 14 in all scores. If I then multiclassed further into Wizard and then into Druid... I would still have 14 in all scores.
Multiclassing doesn't affect your ability scores in any way.
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Oh... well, there was some text on the classes over that. But my suggestion was to add conditions in the form of races and classes.
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I think I speak for all readers when I ask: What did you read that made you think multiclassing was restricted or penalized in any way beyond Ability Score requirements and proficiency limiting?
There's these red marked statements when I multiclass on a class.
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I believe you might be seeing that your character cannot multiclass to those classes due to attribute requirements are not being met. ie If your Wizard characters Strength and Dexterity are both at 12 or lower you cannot multiclass to Fighter, as well as other classes.
Actually, I'm not complaining about the stats, but the ability to have specific personal changes based on certain class and race combos. Put simply, the ability to reference classes and races as conditions.
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Conditions so we can reference classes and races directly.
As in... not adding conditions to the classes, but letting all the classes and races gain bonuses from OTHER classes and races.
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Why can't we have reasonable ways to multiclass without the usual penalties?
I'm certain that some races would be well-suited for that, given the right kinds of levels.
… and I think they're penalized enough just due to a limit in levels too!
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D&D Beyond FoundersHi there Reizon,
can you explain what you mean?
What part of multi-classing do you view as unreasonable penalties?
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All of it, within reason. I'm basically suggesting that there should be a way to multiclass without penalties, given the right conditions.
For example, the dragonkin should be able to use sorcery without having multiclass penalties.
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Here's what I see:
Dragonborn can multiclass Sorcery on lv5.
Druid and Ranger, any species, can also multiclass, but only if you don't have any other class.
Dwarf can multiclass Cleric at lv6.
Etc...
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The mutliclass rules are there for balance purposes and the game will get very unbalanced without them.
But, while there are restrictions or a little reworking of some features there are no actual penalties imposed. So I'm not sure what you specifically mean by this.
By dragonkin did you mean dragonborn? They can take the sorcery class. But this is a class not an inherent racial feature so it doesn't work different for them in any way.
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There's always ways to re-balance, as I've learned. For example, if every species can have a few multiclass tricks, that would balance it right there.
The key is to cover all the classes and all the species in this case. I'm thinking that each species and class can multi with 2 facets each.
Besides, how many people do you see going more than 1 class? Not many, due to the penalties involved.
So, how about I come up with a feasible list to do that?
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D&D Beyond FoundersCould you explain what the penalties are that you perceive for multiclassing?
I don't think that it's possible to discuss any ideas of making homebrew changes until it is understood what it is that you feel is unreasonable.
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For example, armor and specials in them.
But certain deadly multiclass combos could really counter certain others.
Take multi with Druid, Cleric, and Ranger, for example. Multi would give them bonuses in wisdom, constitution, and dexterity, but penalties in intellect and strength.
Or Wizard, Mage, and Sorcerer would beef up wisdom, intellect, and charisma, but encumbrance penalties would double/triple, and drop strength, dexterity, and constitution.
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Multiclassing doesn't impose penalties. Nor does encumberance beyond reducing movement.
Classes do not increase your scores (with exception to Barbarian) but do not penalise any either. Some grant you proficiency in certain saving throws but not as a multiclass - your saving throw proficiencies are determined by your starting class or feats taken during levelling up.
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… hopeless. I knew it would take a great deal of cognition to convince you to remove it and add the homebrew version.
ethics. There are those who want more realism. So there.
Me? No. But I know that it would be enough to tolerate it provided it's at least fair OR reasonable.
So, I say this: Power without wisdom can only lead to destruction.
… your probably going to take the dark side on that, so I'm definitely out.
60! (not just a random number, but a rating, to keep you guessing)
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What?
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You know this is 5th Edition, right?
Let's say I happen to have 14 in all ability scores and be a fighter, if I decided to multiclass into Sorcerer, I would still have 14 in all scores. If I then multiclassed further into Wizard and then into Druid... I would still have 14 in all scores.
Multiclassing doesn't affect your ability scores in any way.
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… what does it penalize then?
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Nothing.
This is why we're confused by you.
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Oh... well, there was some text on the classes over that.
But my suggestion was to add conditions in the form of races and classes.
This statement is meant to be both provocative and condescending. Look at these pathetic huddled masses in their private and closed games, cringing behind the policy of no homebrews and no custom content. This is an insult and injury even to fire types. HEED THIS! Your better off playing rpgmaker. It's everything this place wants to be when it grows up. Seriously. Otherwise, good luck, they will overdo things. All because of safety and security... kor.
I think I speak for all readers when I ask: What did you read that made you think multiclassing was restricted or penalized in any way beyond Ability Score requirements and proficiency limiting?
There's these red marked statements when I multiclass on a class.
This statement is meant to be both provocative and condescending. Look at these pathetic huddled masses in their private and closed games, cringing behind the policy of no homebrews and no custom content. This is an insult and injury even to fire types. HEED THIS! Your better off playing rpgmaker. It's everything this place wants to be when it grows up. Seriously. Otherwise, good luck, they will overdo things. All because of safety and security... kor.
I believe you might be seeing that your character cannot multiclass to those classes due to attribute requirements are not being met. ie If your Wizard characters Strength and Dexterity are both at 12 or lower you cannot multiclass to Fighter, as well as other classes.
Actually, I'm not complaining about the stats, but the ability to have specific personal changes based on certain class and race combos.
Put simply, the ability to reference classes and races as conditions.
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I... still don't know what the problem is (or was (If it has been resolved, because I can't tell that either)).
Can you post a link to the rule book page or a screenshot of the character sheet, where you we seeing the red that was bad conditions?
It's not BAD conditions, it's what's LACKING.
Conditions so we can reference classes and races directly.
As in... not adding conditions to the classes, but letting all the classes and races gain bonuses from OTHER classes and races.
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