Just adding my voice to many others since I know that the forums are onec way feedback is watched. While I generally purchase full source books eventually I generally only bought a la carte for adventure books since like many others I run a homebrew setting. That way I could add the bits and pieces I wanted without dropping the whole cost.
While it won't necessarily stop me from using the site, it will lower what I spend on the game and has already negatively impacted my opinion of both Hasbro and WoTC. It forces me to reconsider what I spend in supporting a company that does this while saying they want the hobby to grow and be more accessible to mire people. DDB did that, and now they are directly compromising that reduction in the cost barrier to entry for people. Very sad to see it.
I feel as if I'd rather purchase system agnostic things through other means than expand my library here at this point, something I never thought I'd say back in the day when Adam was at the helm of DDB.
Eliminating the option for individual purchases seems not unreasonable but incredibly greedy. It restricts many players from accessing what they actually want without overspending on unwanted items. Because of this I won't be renewing my subscription unless this is resolved.
At this point it feels like we're going in circles.
Poor community team members are passing on dissatisfied customer feedback to Wizards, who by now already knows what the feedback consists of because it's been passed to them a ton of times.
They need to make an official response soon, not doing so is drawing this out and making it worse.
This really sucks. I was going to buy the spells from the new books for my group a la carte. Looks like they’re on their own now, because I can’t afford full books.
It feels like this community is getting a little too used to having WotC cave to their demands. The decision has already been made. It was a poor one, to be sure, but it feels silly to expect them to backpedal just because it inconvenienced a few hundred people.
They need to make an official response soon, not doing so is drawing this out and making it worse.
If the issue isn't addressed, people will lose interest and move on with their lives. Companies have every right to change how they operate, even if it kinda sucks for the rest of us.
We'll move on like always and find new things to get upset about in a few months. It's the forum circle of life.
WOTC may have a long term goal we do not know about yet.
Something like reissuing all the supplements over the next 5 years all updated and shiny new.
They might have an all new pricing structure to go with them all. Something like a player price of 5 bucks for just the stuff a player needs(feats and classes) and 10 bucks for the whole book(magic items and other fluff) if your a Dm or just want it all. Individual purchasing a la carte style will be gone to be replaced with a simpler unified version. player class and dm class.
Or it could be a switch to a subscription system. Pay 5 bucks a month and get all access to all the player options as they come out along with the membership here at DDB. Or 10 bucks a month and your on the DM scale getting access to all the new books out to that point for use at DDB. I do not know but that could be one of their ideas.
Anything is possible, all they need to do is communicate.
but for right now they can put it back or else i can't trust what's gone next. legacy books? 3rd party books? classes that don't poll well? they can put it back and they can try again with their words.
Yep, this is it. Hasbro have underestimated how much of this "digital goldmine" they are imagining is based on trust. This isn't BG3. We don't NEED this - it's just convenient. We can walk away a dozen different ways. D&D people know this. They should sell up while they're ahead,
DId you know? The DDB marketplace has REMOVED the option for purchasing one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters "a la carte". Now you ALWAYS have to buy the ENTIRE book instead.
Unhappy? UNSUBSCRIBE and Let them know your thoughts!
I posted this elsewhere, but adding my voice here.
I concur. I DM and play; I have purchased most of the rule books (physical and digital); and for adventures, I buy as I need. But when I comes to my own games, I buy the individual feats, spells, etc. I buy all of them sans the adventure because I create my own adventure.
Check my account, D&D Beyond, I pay for a lot. Sourcebooks, adventures, and tons of those individual spells and feats. And usually when I reach a point where I have a lot from one source, since you offer a discount, I just pay for the whole adventure. Now you have taken away my ability to pay you for those items, so I have to homebrew myself and you lose the revenue.
This move does not make any sense. Why take away a revenue stream?
It is not like you are going to force creators to buy entire books if they just needed one or two feats, a few spells, etc. Instead, they just homebrew.
I hope leadership listens and understands the negative impact, especially considering the VTT move you are making into this space.
I was about to buy just Psychic Lance for future usage. But I am not interested to pay for all the bloat that is Fizban's Treasury of Dragons just for one spell I want.
You could have made me buy the part of the content that I wanted, now I am not going to buy anything for the foreseeable future. I rather spend some minutes to input the name and details of the spell manually.
@WoTC You should look up a famous quote by Gabe Newell about how "a certain something" is a service problem. You are increasing your service problems.
I usually ready to pay for the content and this feature was a very useful for me. I don't like such change and I will not pay for books, I will just grab it for free somewhere else, thanks to the very smart executives at Hasbro lol.
I can see how they remove homebrew and content sharing so the people can finally go somewhere else, to pathfinder, daggerheart or any other system where you won't get f*** by the greedy companies.
It feels like this community is getting a little too used to having WotC cave to their demands. The decision has already been made. It was a poor one, to be sure, but it feels silly to expect them to backpedal just because it inconvenienced a few hundred people.
They need to make an official response soon, not doing so is drawing this out and making it worse.
If the issue isn't addressed, people will lose interest and move on with their lives. Companies have every right to change how they operate, even if it kinda sucks for the rest of us.
We'll move on like always and find new things to get upset about in a few months. It's the forum circle of life.
I feel like this supposes the forum is the only place people are voicing concern with this issue, when it's also currently the bulk of the feedback channel on the official Discord and apparently being sent as support tickets as well to the point that Community Managers are having to clarify that doing it as a ticket is the slowest way to pass the info along.
Just at a basic level this reply is so full of apathy, it's perfectly natural to make your dissatisfaction known when a bad choice is made.
"A company can do whatever they want" is such a nothing response that treats it like an action in a vacuum. Sure they can but it's going to be responded to.
Maybe. But they're shaving off the edges of their customer base with each misstep. This move may not affect you, but I'm pretty fed up with it and canceling my subscription. it sounds like others are, too. So while it may not hurt their "core," cutting the edges off too many times leaves with you a small core of customers you hope to keep you afloat
I have bought full books on DNDBeyond as well as a la carte. I loved having options to buy what was right for me and the campaigns that I run. I loved Tasha's but really haven't liked any of the newer books enough to buy the entire thing. I would be ok for them to dump a la carte if they made better books more in line with what I want.
As a good example of this: I'm sure Spelljammer is great, but I have heard far more about the races it introduced than I have about anything to do with the actual setting or anything else in it.
The only other thing I've heard about it is that even for a DnD book it's extremely pricey.
I think if you couldn't buy the races separately, next to nobody would have them.
Just think of how much less money it would have brought in if that hadn't been possible before now, this is just hoping for whales and shooting yourself in the foot in the process.
As a good example of this: I'm sure Spelljammer is great, but I have heard far more about the races it introduced than I have about anything to do with the actual setting or anything else in it.
The only other thing I've heard about it is that even for a DnD book it's extremely pricey.
I think if you couldn't buy the races separately, next to nobody would have them.
Just think of how much less money it would have brought in if that hadn't been possible before now, this is just hoping for whales and shooting yourself in the foot in the process.
Spelljammer as a whole has been criticized for being a poor adventure missing core things like rules for ships, a lots of recommendations to use GotSM for ship rules.
That seems to be the reason it was such a great use for the piece meal option. I won't get into the races, but I am sure others will post about it.
Many were disappointed with Spelljammer, but many got lots of use out of the piece meal option. I own a physical copy solely because it was stupid cheap on sale last Christmas, I haven't opened the shrink wrap on it, and may not.
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This is hilarious because after buying absolutely nothing from here or re-subbing since the OGL stuff, I returned just today because there were a couple a la carte things I wanted. I'm not paying $30 for the whole book just because I want one singular thing, so Wizards gets $0 from me instead and I'll just have to ask a friend.
As a good example of this: I'm sure Spelljammer is great, but I have heard far more about the races it introduced than I have about anything to do with the actual setting or anything else in it.
The only other thing I've heard about it is that even for a DnD book it's extremely pricey.
I think if you couldn't buy the races separately, next to nobody would have them.
Just think of how much less money it would have brought in if that hadn't been possible before now, this is just hoping for whales and shooting yourself in the foot in the process.
Literally just bought Plasmoid because a player wanted it, days before tis happened. Now they get zero dollars next time that happens.
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DId you know? The DDB marketplace has REMOVED the option for purchasing one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters "a la carte". Now you ALWAYS have to buy the ENTIRE book instead.
Unhappy? UNSUBSCRIBE and Let them know your thoughts!
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Just adding my voice to many others since I know that the forums are onec way feedback is watched. While I generally purchase full source books eventually I generally only bought a la carte for adventure books since like many others I run a homebrew setting. That way I could add the bits and pieces I wanted without dropping the whole cost.
While it won't necessarily stop me from using the site, it will lower what I spend on the game and has already negatively impacted my opinion of both Hasbro and WoTC. It forces me to reconsider what I spend in supporting a company that does this while saying they want the hobby to grow and be more accessible to mire people. DDB did that, and now they are directly compromising that reduction in the cost barrier to entry for people. Very sad to see it.
I feel as if I'd rather purchase system agnostic things through other means than expand my library here at this point, something I never thought I'd say back in the day when Adam was at the helm of DDB.
I won't be renewing my subscription to DnD beyond after this. I won't support this sort of money hungry behavior.
Eliminating the option for individual purchases seems not unreasonable but incredibly greedy. It restricts many players from accessing what they actually want without overspending on unwanted items. Because of this I won't be renewing my subscription unless this is resolved.
At this point it feels like we're going in circles.
Poor community team members are passing on dissatisfied customer feedback to Wizards, who by now already knows what the feedback consists of because it's been passed to them a ton of times.
They need to make an official response soon, not doing so is drawing this out and making it worse.
This really sucks. I was going to buy the spells from the new books for my group a la carte. Looks like they’re on their own now, because I can’t afford full books.
This may very well be an unpopular opinion, but:
It feels like this community is getting a little too used to having WotC cave to their demands. The decision has already been made. It was a poor one, to be sure, but it feels silly to expect them to backpedal just because it inconvenienced a few hundred people.
If the issue isn't addressed, people will lose interest and move on with their lives. Companies have every right to change how they operate, even if it kinda sucks for the rest of us.
We'll move on like always and find new things to get upset about in a few months. It's the forum circle of life.
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Yeah, you will not get anymore of my money, instead of getting 10 bucks from me here and there, you will get nothing. You loose GOOD DAY SIR
Oh yeah and do not think for a moment that they wont come for the Homebrew section next.
Yep, this is it.
Hasbro have underestimated how much of this "digital goldmine" they are imagining is based on trust.
This isn't BG3.
We don't NEED this - it's just convenient. We can walk away a dozen different ways.
D&D people know this.
They should sell up while they're ahead,
DId you know?
The DDB marketplace has REMOVED the option for purchasing one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters "a la carte".
Now you ALWAYS have to buy the ENTIRE book instead.
Unhappy? UNSUBSCRIBE and
Let them know your thoughts!
I posted this elsewhere, but adding my voice here.
I concur. I DM and play; I have purchased most of the rule books (physical and digital); and for adventures, I buy as I need. But when I comes to my own games, I buy the individual feats, spells, etc. I buy all of them sans the adventure because I create my own adventure.
Check my account, D&D Beyond, I pay for a lot. Sourcebooks, adventures, and tons of those individual spells and feats. And usually when I reach a point where I have a lot from one source, since you offer a discount, I just pay for the whole adventure. Now you have taken away my ability to pay you for those items, so I have to homebrew myself and you lose the revenue.
This move does not make any sense. Why take away a revenue stream?
It is not like you are going to force creators to buy entire books if they just needed one or two feats, a few spells, etc. Instead, they just homebrew.
I hope leadership listens and understands the negative impact, especially considering the VTT move you are making into this space.
Thanks
I was about to buy just Psychic Lance for future usage. But I am not interested to pay for all the bloat that is Fizban's Treasury of Dragons just for one spell I want.
You could have made me buy the part of the content that I wanted, now I am not going to buy anything for the foreseeable future. I rather spend some minutes to input the name and details of the spell manually.
@WoTC You should look up a famous quote by Gabe Newell about how "a certain something" is a service problem.
You are increasing your service problems.
I usually ready to pay for the content and this feature was a very useful for me. I don't like such change and I will not pay for books, I will just grab it for free somewhere else, thanks to the very smart executives at Hasbro lol.
I can see how they remove homebrew and content sharing so the people can finally go somewhere else, to pathfinder, daggerheart or any other system where you won't get f*** by the greedy companies.
I feel like this supposes the forum is the only place people are voicing concern with this issue, when it's also currently the bulk of the feedback channel on the official Discord and apparently being sent as support tickets as well to the point that Community Managers are having to clarify that doing it as a ticket is the slowest way to pass the info along.
Just at a basic level this reply is so full of apathy, it's perfectly natural to make your dissatisfaction known when a bad choice is made.
"A company can do whatever they want" is such a nothing response that treats it like an action in a vacuum. Sure they can but it's going to be responded to.
Just a friendly reminder... You're NOT supposed to shit on your customers. Huge **** up all around on this one
Maybe. But they're shaving off the edges of their customer base with each misstep. This move may not affect you, but I'm pretty fed up with it and canceling my subscription. it sounds like others are, too. So while it may not hurt their "core," cutting the edges off too many times leaves with you a small core of customers you hope to keep you afloat
I have bought full books on DNDBeyond as well as a la carte. I loved having options to buy what was right for me and the campaigns that I run. I loved Tasha's but really haven't liked any of the newer books enough to buy the entire thing. I would be ok for them to dump a la carte if they made better books more in line with what I want.
As a good example of this: I'm sure Spelljammer is great, but I have heard far more about the races it introduced than I have about anything to do with the actual setting or anything else in it.
The only other thing I've heard about it is that even for a DnD book it's extremely pricey.
I think if you couldn't buy the races separately, next to nobody would have them.
Just think of how much less money it would have brought in if that hadn't been possible before now, this is just hoping for whales and shooting yourself in the foot in the process.
Spelljammer as a whole has been criticized for being a poor adventure missing core things like rules for ships, a lots of recommendations to use GotSM for ship rules.
That seems to be the reason it was such a great use for the piece meal option. I won't get into the races, but I am sure others will post about it.
Many were disappointed with Spelljammer, but many got lots of use out of the piece meal option. I own a physical copy solely because it was stupid cheap on sale last Christmas, I haven't opened the shrink wrap on it, and may not.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
This is hilarious because after buying absolutely nothing from here or re-subbing since the OGL stuff, I returned just today because there were a couple a la carte things I wanted. I'm not paying $30 for the whole book just because I want one singular thing, so Wizards gets $0 from me instead and I'll just have to ask a friend.
Good job, guys!
Literally just bought Plasmoid because a player wanted it, days before tis happened.
Now they get zero dollars next time that happens.
DId you know?
The DDB marketplace has REMOVED the option for purchasing one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters "a la carte".
Now you ALWAYS have to buy the ENTIRE book instead.
Unhappy? UNSUBSCRIBE and
Let them know your thoughts!