anyone I've personally seen that isn't upset by the change has been essentially saying "They know where the money goes, you shouldn't be fighting this. You don't know what you're talking about, no wonder the staff left." It claims to be more constructive than people being angry but in effect it's really not. It's neutral at best.
I'm not personally upset by the change because I didn't use the option, so its absence is no skin off of my nose. However, my point isn't that you shouldn't be upset, just that you shouldn't engage in conspiracy theories, because the core problem with thinking that this is some big money-making scheme by Wizards is... it's an incredibly bad scheme. Phasing out products in favor of new (and more profitable) products is something corporations do all the time, but they typically do it on a boiling-the-frog method, where they make the option increasingly unappealing until by the time they actually get rid of it, no-one cares.
That said, this is a symptom of something that's worth being bothered about, particularly if you use subscriptions: D&D Beyond is mostly in maintenance mode. In the past two years, the only new feature the site has received is an alpha version of Maps.
anyone I've personally seen that isn't upset by the change has been essentially saying "They know where the money goes, you shouldn't be fighting this. You don't know what you're talking about, no wonder the staff left." It claims to be more constructive than people being angry but in effect it's really not. It's neutral at best.
I'm not personally upset by the change because I didn't use the option, so its absence is no skin off of my nose. However, my point isn't that you shouldn't be upset, just that you shouldn't engage in conspiracy theories, because the core problem with thinking that this is some big money-making scheme by Wizards is... it's an incredibly bad scheme. Phasing out products in favor of new (and more profitable) products is something corporations do all the time, but they typically do it on a boiling-the-frog method, where they make the option increasingly unappealing until by the time they actually get rid of it, no-one cares.
That said, this is a symptom of something that's worth being bothered about, particularly if you use subscriptions: D&D Beyond is mostly in maintenance mode. In the past two years, the only new feature the site has received is an alpha version of Maps.
Without proper communication to confirm or deny the true source of the issue all you're left with is speculation.
This is a terrible decision and a dark day for dndbeyond. I can't tell you how many people I've introduced to this site over the years because of the ability to buy the content you need, when you need it. I started off by using the microtransactions feature and eventually ended up spending probably hundreds on here over the years.
Severely disappointed, and just steered away my latest group of players from the site after learning this.
anyone I've personally seen that isn't upset by the change has been essentially saying "They know where the money goes, you shouldn't be fighting this. You don't know what you're talking about, no wonder the staff left." It claims to be more constructive than people being angry but in effect it's really not. It's neutral at best.
I'm not personally upset by the change because I didn't use the option, so its absence is no skin off of my nose. However, my point isn't that you shouldn't be upset, just that you shouldn't engage in conspiracy theories, because the core problem with thinking that this is some big money-making scheme by Wizards is... it's an incredibly bad scheme. Phasing out products in favor of new (and more profitable) products is something corporations do all the time, but they typically do it on a boiling-the-frog method, where they make the option increasingly unappealing until by the time they actually get rid of it, no-one cares.
That said, this is a symptom of something that's worth being bothered about, particularly if you use subscriptions: D&D Beyond is mostly in maintenance mode. In the past two years, the only new feature the site has received is an alpha version of Maps.
THe process is called "enshittification". It is a technical term, and every endpoint consumer who runs into is always correct to be upset by it and act on it as they choose.
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DId you know? The DDB marketplace has REMOVED the option for purchasing one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters "a la carte". Now you ALWAYS have to buy the ENTIRE book instead.
Unhappy? UNSUBSCRIBE and Let them know your thoughts!
This is a terrible decision and a dark day for dndbeyond. I can't tell you how many people I've introduced to this site over the years because of the ability to buy the content you need, when you need it. I started off by using the microtransactions feature and eventually ended up spending probably hundreds on here over the years.
Severely disappointed, and just steered away my latest group of players from the site after learning this.
And in the capitalist model, that is exactly what a consumer should do. Vote with their wallet.
I still think this is a trial balloon being floated by wotc. They have a full financial quarter to analyze the impact, before the Sept rollout of 6e. If the sales numbers in the next quarter are not impacted by this, or are stronger, then this thing sticks. If there is a sharp falloff in sales, this might be backed out before Sept. That is the only thing that matters to wotc is profits, or any other corporation operating in a capitalist model, also known as the modern world.
This is a terrible decision and a dark day for dndbeyond. I can't tell you how many people I've introduced to this site over the years because of the ability to buy the content you need, when you need it. I started off by using the microtransactions feature and eventually ended up spending probably hundreds on here over the years.
Severely disappointed, and just steered away my latest group of players from the site after learning this.
And in the capitalist model, that is exactly what a consumer should do. Vote with their wallet.
I still think this is a trial balloon being floated by wotc. They have a full financial quarter to analyze the impact, before the Sept rollout of 6e. If the sales numbers in the next quarter are not impacted by this, or are stronger, then this thing sticks. If there is a sharp falloff in sales, this might be backed out before Sept. That is the only thing that matters to wotc is profits, or any other corporation operating in a capitalist model, also known as the modern world.
This is why I just don't get the people saying it couldn't possibly be financially motivated and that we don't understand because they have the numbers in front of them and we don't.
Companies are near universally motivated by finance, it's not a "conspiracy theory" to know this and speculate based off of it especially since there's no other inherent benefit to them for removing this option.
I would say that they more than likely want to try things out without the option for the new content. They want to see exactly how much they lose without it. Or they have plans for implementing something like piecemeal purchases but are just waiting.
In the end I would rather they have just made a new 5.5E website and left the piecemeal option on this one and cut them off on the new one. Than when they quit selling the 5E hard cover books they can announce no more updates for 5E digital and give everyone 6 months to make their last 5E digital purchases.
I still think this is a trial balloon being floated by wotc. They have a full financial quarter to analyze the impact, before the Sept rollout of 6e. If the sales numbers in the next quarter are not impacted by this, or are stronger, then this thing sticks. If there is a sharp falloff in sales, this might be backed out before Sept. That is the only thing that matters to wotc is profits, or any other corporation operating in a capitalist model, also known as the modern world.
If there was a trial balloon, it was book of many things.
But I think they have, for whatever reason, decided to do it. This doesn't mean they won't change their minds if it turns out to fare poorly, but it won't be back by September -- there's not enough time to get a good measure of results, then develop and test a new new marketplace (because the current one can't even really do the much simpler digital-physical bundle as a single item), and roll it out, fixing the inevitable problems, all before the new PHB drops.
Also, the new PHB is likely the single biggest potential financial beneficiary of not having piecemeal purchasing -- it's probably the only book where significant numbers of people will say "I want X now, so I might as well buy the whole thing, because it'll get used eventually."
If they do reverse course, we're probably looking at a year minimum, and likely longer. (Also, the runup to a new edition and then the release of said edition are the worst time to get reliable numbers on how this is going to affect sales.)
Incidentally: if you want to send a message that Wizards will actually hear, there's a simple rule: if you don't think what they're offering is worth the price they're asking... don't buy it.
I still think this is a trial balloon being floated by wotc. They have a full financial quarter to analyze the impact, before the Sept rollout of 6e. If the sales numbers in the next quarter are not impacted by this, or are stronger, then this thing sticks. If there is a sharp falloff in sales, this might be backed out before Sept. That is the only thing that matters to wotc is profits, or any other corporation operating in a capitalist model, also known as the modern world.
If there was a trial balloon, it was book of many things.
But I think they have, for whatever reason, decided to do it. This doesn't mean they won't change their minds if it turns out to fare poorly, but it won't be back by September -- there's not enough time to get a good measure of results, then develop and test a new new marketplace (because the current one can't even really do the much simpler digital-physical bundle as a single item), and roll it out, fixing the inevitable problems, all before the new PHB drops.
Also, the new PHB is likely the single biggest potential financial beneficiary of not having piecemeal purchasing -- it's probably the only book where significant numbers of people will say "I want X now, so I might as well buy the whole thing, because it'll get used eventually."
If they do reverse course, we're probably looking at a year minimum, and likely longer. (Also, the runup to a new edition and then the release of said edition are the worst time to get reliable numbers on how this is going to affect sales.)
I feel like the new PHB is a bad example for them to test this on, because if what I've been reading is correct the subclasses on offer were purposely designed as if you did buy piecemeal from 5e already. (In that, there are subclasses from 5e included that were from supplementary books).
Just in general it feels like a lot more time has been spent policing the tone of dissent than anything else, especially in the latter half of this topic.
I don't know where the claims of a call to join in a united front are coming from, anyone I've personally seen that isn't upset by the change has been essentially saying "They know where the money goes, you shouldn't be fighting this. You don't know what you're talking about, no wonder the staff left." It claims to be more constructive than people being angry but in effect it's really not. It's neutral at best.
Besides the random poster or two on here, I cannot name a single person - player OR dm - who isn't upset about this. Everyone I know in person is in unanimous agreement that this was done out of petty greed and strongly anti-consumer. All of my friends and online DnD group believe its out of greed as well. Heavy discussions about the DnD group's future are going on as I type this.
This is a terrible decision and a dark day for dndbeyond. I can't tell you how many people I've introduced to this site over the years because of the ability to buy the content you need, when you need it. I started off by using the microtransactions feature and eventually ended up spending probably hundreds on here over the years.
Severely disappointed, and just steered away my latest group of players from the site after learning this.
And in the capitalist model, that is exactly what a consumer should do. Vote with their wallet.
I still think this is a trial balloon being floated by wotc. They have a full financial quarter to analyze the impact, before the Sept rollout of 6e. If the sales numbers in the next quarter are not impacted by this, or are stronger, then this thing sticks. If there is a sharp falloff in sales, this might be backed out before Sept. That is the only thing that matters to wotc is profits, or any other corporation operating in a capitalist model, also known as the modern world.
This is why I just don't get the people saying it couldn't possibly be financially motivated and that we don't understand because they have the numbers in front of them and we don't.
Companies are near universally motivated by finance, it's not a "conspiracy theory" to know this and speculate based off of it especially since there's no other inherent benefit to them for removing this option.
Yes corporations are financially motivated, but without knowing BOTH their short and long term goals it is virtually impossible to know why they do anything. It is quite common to take a short term loss if they believe it will be offset by the time the rest of the plan, say a walled garden model, couple this with how they have treated DDB, and their customers since acquiring DDB and you would have to be a real WotC sympathizer to defend any of the assanine decisions in the last couple of years.
It is also worth noting the level of gatekeeping many of the sympathizers are willing to employ alongside the logical fallacies to belittle those that are voicing their concerns about how WotC is treating all of its customers.
I particularly scratch my head when I see it doesn't affect me so quit whining posts from members quick to label others as gatekeeping when they are talk8ng about private games.
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Yes corporations are financially motivated, but without knowing BOTH their short and long term goals it is virtually impossible to know why they do anything. It is quite common to take a short term loss if they believe it will be offset by the time the rest of the plan, say a walled garden model, couple this with how they have treated DDB, and their customers since acquiring DDB and you would have to be a real WotC sympathizer to defend any of the assanine decisions in the last couple of years.
It is also worth noting the level of gatekeeping many of the sympathizers are willing to employ alongside the logical fallacies to belittle those that are voicing their concerns about how WotC is treating all of its customers.
I particularly scratch my head when I see it doesn't affect me so quit whining posts from members quick to label others as gatekeeping when they are talk8ng about private games.
Those coupled with the "Quit your baseless speculation!! Anyway, here's my equally baseless speculations as to why WotC did it the way they did" posts absolutely baffle me.
This is why I just don't get the people saying it couldn't possibly be financially motivated and that we don't understand because they have the numbers in front of them and we don't.
Companies are near universally motivated by finance, it's not a "conspiracy theory" to know this and speculate based off of it especially since there's no other inherent benefit to them for removing this option.
Again, they didn't remove the option. They didn't implement the option, and the inherent benefit is "didn't need to spend money and development resources on implementing it"; their win isn't increasing sales, it's reducing expenses. Now, I wouldn't be shocked if someone is hostile to the option, but if that was a major motivating factor, they wouldn't have waited until the new store came online.
This is why I just don't get the people saying it couldn't possibly be financially motivated and that we don't understand because they have the numbers in front of them and we don't.
Companies are near universally motivated by finance, it's not a "conspiracy theory" to know this and speculate based off of it especially since there's no other inherent benefit to them for removing this option.
Again, they didn't remove the option. They didn't implement the option, and the inherent benefit is "didn't need to spend money and development resources on implementing it"; their win isn't increasing sales, it's reducing expenses. Now, I wouldn't be shocked if someone is hostile to the option, but if that was a major motivating factor, they wouldn't have waited until the new store came online.
Now this is just splitting hairs and you know it.
Functionally removing from the old and not including in the new are one in the same, either way a formerly available option is gone.
Functionally removing from the old and not including in the new are one in the same, either way a formerly available option is gone.
To the customer they're indistinguishable, but to the corporation they're absolutely distinguishable. Removing an option from an existing store doesn't save any money (it actually costs money, though a trivial amount). Not implementing an option reliably saves money.
This is why I just don't get the people saying it couldn't possibly be financially motivated and that we don't understand because they have the numbers in front of them and we don't.
Companies are near universally motivated by finance, it's not a "conspiracy theory" to know this and speculate based off of it especially since there's no other inherent benefit to them for removing this option.
Again, they didn't remove the option. They didn't implement the option, and the inherent benefit is "didn't need to spend money and development resources on implementing it"; their win isn't increasing sales, it's reducing expenses. Now, I wouldn't be shocked if someone is hostile to the option, but if that was a major motivating factor, they wouldn't have waited until the new store came online.
Interesting take on the removal of a feature that not only has been here close to if not as long as this site has been live, but also has clearly been a huge draw to this site for many, but as you have stated it didn't affect you so it is a non-issue, I am still scratching my head about this viewpoint/dismissiveness towards others that have actually been affected and are unhappy about it. I guess their experience is just wrong, not different but wrong?
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CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Interesting take on the removal of a feature that not only has been here close to if not as long as this site has been live, but also has clearly been a huge draw to this site for many, but as you have stated it didn't affect you so it is a non-issue, I am still scratching my head about this viewpoint/dismissiveness towards others that have actually been affected and are unhappy about it. I guess their experience is just wrong, not different but wrong?
I'm not dismissive of the viewpoint of "this sucks"; removing an option people like obviously sucks for the people who like it. I'm dismissive of the viewpoint of "this is an evil Hasbro plot", as opposed to the bog-standard product management decision of "this product isn't worth the effort to support any more".
Interesting take on the removal of a feature that not only has been here close to if not as long as this site has been live, but also has clearly been a huge draw to this site for many, but as you have stated it didn't affect you so it is a non-issue, I am still scratching my head about this viewpoint/dismissiveness towards others that have actually been affected and are unhappy about it. I guess their experience is just wrong, not different but wrong?
I'm not dismissive of the viewpoint of "this sucks"; removing an option people like obviously sucks for the people who like it. I'm dismissive of the viewpoint of "this is an evil Hasbro plot", as opposed to the bog-standard product management decision of "this product isn't worth the effort to support any more".
I disagree, there are many posting from the platform of dissent about this that see this as a continuation of the heavy anti consumer direction that wotc has taken in the last couple of years. If you choose to look at each blunder in a vacuum then I can see where the sympathetic view comes from, but from a system theory view (ie looking at the whole system, not the individual parts) it paints a very different picture than the wotc sympathizers are portraying.
I have said it before and I will say it again, unless you and/or those in your camp have access to information those of us upset about the changes do not then we all are on equal footing and your speculation carries no more weight than those you oppose.
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CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
After purchasing my initial bundle, I’ve picked up some full books and ala carte items when I only wanted one or two items. It is upsetting that now I will have to purchase the full book for possibly a 2-5 usd item for a specific build, so now new builds using items I don’t own will be far more unlikely.
Budget minded people will now have a harder time building characters on dndb, unless a dm grants access to their own purchases which i hope doesn’t go away, I fear it would be the last straw for me.
The thing that really bugs me that hasn’t been addressed yet is with ala carte missing, purchasers now have absolutely NO IDEA what is included in the books game mechanic wise. I personally don’t give a hoot about the artwork, story descriptions and other fluff in any of these books. I’m a player, just not interested in the dm stuff. And now not only do I not know what I’m buying, I’ll have purchased tons of stuff I’ll never use.
i hope the Ala carte comes back as a micro transaction or whatever the big biznezz guys in their suits want to call it, until then my purchases will be extremely limited.
cheers!
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I'm not personally upset by the change because I didn't use the option, so its absence is no skin off of my nose. However, my point isn't that you shouldn't be upset, just that you shouldn't engage in conspiracy theories, because the core problem with thinking that this is some big money-making scheme by Wizards is... it's an incredibly bad scheme. Phasing out products in favor of new (and more profitable) products is something corporations do all the time, but they typically do it on a boiling-the-frog method, where they make the option increasingly unappealing until by the time they actually get rid of it, no-one cares.
That said, this is a symptom of something that's worth being bothered about, particularly if you use subscriptions: D&D Beyond is mostly in maintenance mode. In the past two years, the only new feature the site has received is an alpha version of Maps.
Without proper communication to confirm or deny the true source of the issue all you're left with is speculation.
This is a terrible decision and a dark day for dndbeyond. I can't tell you how many people I've introduced to this site over the years because of the ability to buy the content you need, when you need it. I started off by using the microtransactions feature and eventually ended up spending probably hundreds on here over the years.
Severely disappointed, and just steered away my latest group of players from the site after learning this.
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THe process is called "enshittification". It is a technical term, and every endpoint consumer who runs into is always correct to be upset by it and act on it as they choose.
DId you know?
The DDB marketplace has REMOVED the option for purchasing one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters "a la carte".
Now you ALWAYS have to buy the ENTIRE book instead.
Unhappy? UNSUBSCRIBE and
Let them know your thoughts!
And in the capitalist model, that is exactly what a consumer should do. Vote with their wallet.
I still think this is a trial balloon being floated by wotc. They have a full financial quarter to analyze the impact, before the Sept rollout of 6e. If the sales numbers in the next quarter are not impacted by this, or are stronger, then this thing sticks. If there is a sharp falloff in sales, this might be backed out before Sept. That is the only thing that matters to wotc is profits, or any other corporation operating in a capitalist model, also known as the modern world.
This is why I just don't get the people saying it couldn't possibly be financially motivated and that we don't understand because they have the numbers in front of them and we don't.
Companies are near universally motivated by finance, it's not a "conspiracy theory" to know this and speculate based off of it especially since there's no other inherent benefit to them for removing this option.
I would say that they more than likely want to try things out without the option for the new content.
They want to see exactly how much they lose without it.
Or they have plans for implementing something like piecemeal purchases but are just waiting.
In the end I would rather they have just made a new 5.5E website and left the piecemeal option on this one and cut them off on the new one.
Than when they quit selling the 5E hard cover books they can announce no more updates for 5E digital and give everyone 6 months to make their last 5E digital purchases.
If there was a trial balloon, it was book of many things.
But I think they have, for whatever reason, decided to do it. This doesn't mean they won't change their minds if it turns out to fare poorly, but it won't be back by September -- there's not enough time to get a good measure of results, then develop and test a new new marketplace (because the current one can't even really do the much simpler digital-physical bundle as a single item), and roll it out, fixing the inevitable problems, all before the new PHB drops.
Also, the new PHB is likely the single biggest potential financial beneficiary of not having piecemeal purchasing -- it's probably the only book where significant numbers of people will say "I want X now, so I might as well buy the whole thing, because it'll get used eventually."
If they do reverse course, we're probably looking at a year minimum, and likely longer. (Also, the runup to a new edition and then the release of said edition are the worst time to get reliable numbers on how this is going to affect sales.)
Incidentally: if you want to send a message that Wizards will actually hear, there's a simple rule: if you don't think what they're offering is worth the price they're asking... don't buy it.
I feel like the new PHB is a bad example for them to test this on, because if what I've been reading is correct the subclasses on offer were purposely designed as if you did buy piecemeal from 5e already. (In that, there are subclasses from 5e included that were from supplementary books).
Besides the random poster or two on here, I cannot name a single person - player OR dm - who isn't upset about this. Everyone I know in person is in unanimous agreement that this was done out of petty greed and strongly anti-consumer. All of my friends and online DnD group believe its out of greed as well. Heavy discussions about the DnD group's future are going on as I type this.
Yes corporations are financially motivated, but without knowing BOTH their short and long term goals it is virtually impossible to know why they do anything. It is quite common to take a short term loss if they believe it will be offset by the time the rest of the plan, say a walled garden model, couple this with how they have treated DDB, and their customers since acquiring DDB and you would have to be a real WotC sympathizer to defend any of the assanine decisions in the last couple of years.
It is also worth noting the level of gatekeeping many of the sympathizers are willing to employ alongside the logical fallacies to belittle those that are voicing their concerns about how WotC is treating all of its customers.
I particularly scratch my head when I see it doesn't affect me so quit whining posts from members quick to label others as gatekeeping when they are talk8ng about private games.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Those coupled with the "Quit your baseless speculation!! Anyway, here's my equally baseless speculations as to why WotC did it the way they did" posts absolutely baffle me.
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[Flourishing], [Sanguine],[Themberchaud], [Baldur's Gate 3], [Lego].Again, they didn't remove the option. They didn't implement the option, and the inherent benefit is "didn't need to spend money and development resources on implementing it"; their win isn't increasing sales, it's reducing expenses. Now, I wouldn't be shocked if someone is hostile to the option, but if that was a major motivating factor, they wouldn't have waited until the new store came online.
Now this is just splitting hairs and you know it.
Functionally removing from the old and not including in the new are one in the same, either way a formerly available option is gone.
To the customer they're indistinguishable, but to the corporation they're absolutely distinguishable. Removing an option from an existing store doesn't save any money (it actually costs money, though a trivial amount). Not implementing an option reliably saves money.
Interesting take on the removal of a feature that not only has been here close to if not as long as this site has been live, but also has clearly been a huge draw to this site for many, but as you have stated it didn't affect you so it is a non-issue, I am still scratching my head about this viewpoint/dismissiveness towards others that have actually been affected and are unhappy about it. I guess their experience is just wrong, not different but wrong?
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I'm not dismissive of the viewpoint of "this sucks"; removing an option people like obviously sucks for the people who like it. I'm dismissive of the viewpoint of "this is an evil Hasbro plot", as opposed to the bog-standard product management decision of "this product isn't worth the effort to support any more".
I disagree, there are many posting from the platform of dissent about this that see this as a continuation of the heavy anti consumer direction that wotc has taken in the last couple of years. If you choose to look at each blunder in a vacuum then I can see where the sympathetic view comes from, but from a system theory view (ie looking at the whole system, not the individual parts) it paints a very different picture than the wotc sympathizers are portraying.
I have said it before and I will say it again, unless you and/or those in your camp have access to information those of us upset about the changes do not then we all are on equal footing and your speculation carries no more weight than those you oppose.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
After purchasing my initial bundle, I’ve picked up some full books and ala carte items when I only wanted one or two items. It is upsetting that now I will have to purchase the full book for possibly a 2-5 usd item for a specific build, so now new builds using items I don’t own will be far more unlikely.
Budget minded people will now have a harder time building characters on dndb, unless a dm grants access to their own purchases which i hope doesn’t go away, I fear it would be the last straw for me.
The thing that really bugs me that hasn’t been addressed yet is with ala carte missing, purchasers now have absolutely NO IDEA what is included in the books game mechanic wise. I personally don’t give a hoot about the artwork, story descriptions and other fluff in any of these books. I’m a player, just not interested in the dm stuff. And now not only do I not know what I’m buying, I’ll have purchased tons of stuff I’ll never use.
i hope the Ala carte comes back as a micro transaction or whatever the big biznezz guys in their suits want to call it, until then my purchases will be extremely limited.
cheers!