While I like to take advantage of discount periods, I believe I will make a better point by boycotting until the ala carte purchases return
Yep. I missed the MCDM deal. Untlil this changes, not another digi-dollar more.
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DId you know? The DDB marketplace has REMOVED the option for purchasing one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters "a la carte". Now you ALWAYS have to buy the ENTIRE book instead.
Unhappy? UNSUBSCRIBE and Let them know your thoughts!
While I like to take advantage of discount periods, I believe I will make a better point by boycotting until the ala carte purchases return
Yep. I missed the MCDM deal. Untlil this changes, not another digi-dollar more.
Honestly, if they didn’t just piss everyone off and then ignore us for a month I would totally buy the Tone of Beasts 1 & Humblewood sets right now. They’re on sale yeah, but not even enough to be so enticing to break the boycott.
While I like to take advantage of discount periods, I believe I will make a better point by boycotting until the ala carte purchases return
Yep. I missed the MCDM deal. Untlil this changes, not another digi-dollar more.
Honestly, if they didn’t just piss everyone off and then ignore us for a month I would totally buy the Tone of Beasts 1 & Humblewood sets right now. They’re on sale yeah, but not even enough to be so enticing to break the boycott.
Humblewood is at least 3rd party. WotC would still get a cut though.
That’s basically how this feels. Throwing up a discount randomly probably because their sales suddenly dropped
They're throwing up a discount because the new books are coming out, if they have a strategy towards this issue at all it's "ignore it and hope it blows over".
That’s basically how this feels. Throwing up a discount randomly probably because their sales suddenly dropped
They're throwing up a discount because the new books are coming out, if they have a strategy towards this issue at all it's "ignore it and hope it blows over".
Can be all of the above, actually. Including "Our theory that removing a la carte will mean they will buy more books is failing, let's try a discount and see what happens"
Not even the Shadow knows what evil lurks in the hearts of marketing departments.
I see nothigns change an a la carte is still gone, meh discounts aint enticing enough to buy whole damn books instead of a couple character options id want unless i could but the whole damn book for what character options cost me before
In fairness to them, discounting adventures / campaign settings makes a lot of sense under normal circumstances. While everything player centric is a bad purchase with a new edition on the horizon, adventures can be used just fine with little to no tweaks, and it's not as if you were only buying the Amber Temple and not the rest of Curse of Strahd...
...but please don't buy it. Please. Not until they fix their mistake.
I do agree with this frustration, and I suspect a lot of this is a visibility issue for the wider community (i.e. People don't know about the problem until it's brought to their attention).
I'm taking to announcing my displeasure in the other posts Dndbeyond do on their main page - I.e.
"Oh what a great monster, It's a shame I can't buy it individually since you removed the A-la-carte feature)". "This book seems interesting - it's a shame I cant just buy the Monsters like I used to be able to, since you removed the a-la-carte feature". Etc.
Just gets the visibility out there in the comments.
That’s basically how this feels. Throwing up a discount randomly probably because their sales suddenly dropped
They're throwing up a discount because the new books are coming out, if they have a strategy towards this issue at all it's "ignore it and hope it blows over".
Can be all of the above, actually. Including "Our theory that removing a la carte will mean they will buy more books is failing, let's try a discount and see what happens"
Not even the Shadow knows what evil lurks in the hearts of marketing departments.
nah, that discount was planned way ahead. this is so standard. they can't have the old version discounted too close to the same time they start selling the new version or else a significant number of people will equate the discount price with the value of the stuff. then you have people asking why the new thing costs twice as much as they now value it.
still, there's lots of other reasons to continue being annoyed. like for instance: maybe ask what percentage of the new full price digital book goes to pay costs (artists, writers, graphics design, cloud servers, translation, new app features, etc) and which percent goes into the pockets of suits who do nothing but make decisions we don't like?
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unhappy at the way in which we lost individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
tell them you don't like features disappeared quietly in the night: providefeedback!
Can be all of the above, actually. Including "Our theory that removing a la carte will mean they will buy more books is failing, let's try a discount and see what happens"
The reality is, words are cheap, so if they were responding at all, their response would include words. Since they haven't said anything, they aren't actually responding.
so, if they brought back ala carte (and/or legendary bundle) tomorrow... is that enough? suppose they claimed it was back by popular demand with no further comment. would you do a big sweaty cartoon "fwheeew!" and go back to buying from the DDB marketplace again?
Nope, nor will I buy any other WotC product, digital or otherwise. While the removal of a la carte is a big problem, the bigger issue for me is the disrespectful way they treat their customers.
They pulled the old marketplace without warning, meaning people had no chance to make last-minute a la carte purchases.
The only mention of the discount for previous a la carte purchases still being valid is one easily missed line in the faq, which itself isn't very prominently linked from the store pages, and a couple of comments from mods on the forums (which most customers won't see). Combined with the fact that there's no easy way to see what you've bought from a given book I can only assume they're hoping people will forget about the discount or assume that it's no longer valid and purchase at full price.
They've completely ignored the community for the last month, despite huge numbers of complaints here and on Discord.
There's many ways they could have calmed things down, not just by bringing back a la carte, but if they'd explained why things were changing or even just acknowledged the complaints and apologised I expect they'd have been much less anger from the community. After all the issues the last year or two (OGL, pinkertons, AI art etc) you'd think PR would be a priority for them, but if they can't even be bothered to communicate with their customers then I'm not spending another penny with them.
The way this is being handle feels like it's class action lawsuit worthy.
So the way it's been done, users that purchased pieces of content to share with their campaigns are no longer able to share that material - only use it themselves. Then, in order to unlock the sharing for other users, they have to purchase the correct digital book, which doesn't apply any sort of discounts, even if you already own half the material in said book!
I say "the correct digital book" because if you try to purchase a book with certain material in it you want to unlock, you better first make sure you search the forums, or reddit to verify it's the book that will actually unlock it. Apparently, just because the material is in the book you purchase, doesn't mean it'll actually unlock it's use and sharing on DnD Beyond. For example: if you buy Tashas CoE because you want the Spore druid subclass you will soon find that despite that subclass CLEARLY being in the book - it won't actually give you access to it. Instead, you have to buy Ravnica. This is not posted clearly -ANYWHERE- in the market place. In fact the market place has been made more difficult to navigate and determine what each item actually unlocks. instead of a detailed list, you just get a blurb like "x number of new items!" or "a new class!"
By the way ,for any WOTC people watching this thread. My price point for a digital book from here is 15 bucks. I never bought piecemeal since I want everything. So in the future it would be nice if the digital copy of all books was about 15 bucks. I would start buying them all as soon as they came out, or at least think about it.
By the way ,for any WOTC people watching this thread. My price point for a digital book from here is 15 bucks. I never bought piecemeal since I want everything. So in the future it would be nice if the digital copy of all books was about 15 bucks. I would start buying them all as soon as they came out, or at least think about it.
Mine was about $20 which several sales got to with my LB discount, but that ship has sailed and with piece meal gone I just don't have enough interest in what is coming down the line to buy whole books anymore.
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CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
So the way it's been done, users that purchased pieces of content to share with their campaigns are no longer able to share that material - only use it themselves.
This is not correct. Anything purchased, even by a la carte method before the marketplace change, can still be shared through Content Sharing.
Then, in order to unlock the sharing for other users, they have to purchase the correct digital book, which doesn't apply any sort of discounts, even if you already own half the material in said book!
Half-right, half-wrong. The marketplace won't automatically apply a discount automatically for previous a la carte purchases but you can obtain such discount by contacting Customer Support first. They are looking into a way to make the process easier.
I say "the correct digital book" because if you try to purchase a book with certain material in it you want to unlock, you better first make sure you search the forums, or reddit to verify it's the book that will actually unlock it. Apparently, just because the material is in the book you purchase, doesn't mean it'll actually unlock it's use and sharing on DnD Beyond. For example: if you buy Tashas CoE because you want the Spore druid subclass you will soon find that despite that subclass CLEARLY being in the book - it won't actually give you access to it. Instead, you have to buy Ravnica. This is not posted clearly -ANYWHERE- in the market place.
Not correct. If you purchased a book you unlock everything in that book even if it was originally printed in a different book. The need to get something from a different book was only applicable to a la carte purchasing - where you could only buy something on its own from the book it was first printed in. Buying a whole book unlocks everything in it. You still have to use the original source toggle for the character which can be confusing, but the whole content should be unlocked. If it hasn't for you then first check licenses are in sync (Account > Licenses) and if that doesn't work, contact Customer Support.
In fact the market place has been made more difficult to navigate and determine what each item actually unlocks. instead of a detailed list, you just get a blurb like "x number of new items!" or "a new class!"
Sort of. The blurb is there but if you go to Sources and then go to the book you want, you can read the Table of Contents which will detail classes and such. It's not a full list, but does give a decent enough view of what you can expect from it. The Table of Contents can be viewed for any book, even if you have not purchased it and don't have it shared with you. The reason is precisely for this purpose: so you can get an idea of what you'll get so you can see if you want to get the book.
The way this is being handle feels like it's class action lawsuit worthy.
It's not. The way they have handled this is, no doubt, shitty and shady and definitely breaks trust and faith in the company. However, it is 100% legal.
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So the way it's been done, users that purchased pieces of content to share with their campaigns are no longer able to share that material - only use it themselves.
This is not correct. Anything purchased, even by a la carte method before the marketplace change, can still be shared through Content Sharing.
No, I didn't just come in here ranting for no reason. I and 7 other friends have confirmed that not all a la carte materials are shareable. We've tested it in multiple different campaigns and verified that it's simply not working. Some does, some does not. If the campaign existed prior to the changes it seems the materials are still available. But if you start a new campaign and try to share things you're going to run into multiple pieces that just are not available to others in that campaign.
Half-right, half-wrong. The marketplace won't automatically apply a discount automatically for previous a la carte purchases but you can obtain such discount by contacting Customer Support first. They are looking into a way to make the process easier.
You should have just ended your statement after "The marketplace won't automatically apply a discount" and agreed. First of all they haven't clearly indicated the "contact customer support" -anywhere- in the marketplace. They don't have notifications in checkout. They did absolutely -nothing- to make sure people weren't getting ripped off. Contacting customer support for a discount and waiting for days, or weeks, to see if they'll honor the discount they told you you'd get is utter BS. As is them claiming to look into a way to make the process easier. They knew before they made the changes that this issue would exist, and they did nothing about it. This is a deceptive practice if there ever was one. They're banking on people either A) not knowing that they have to contact them for the discount, or B) Not having time to wait for said discount before purchasing the material they very likely need for their gaming session. I will never understand why people like you defend shitty business practices that are designed or implemented in ways that screw over the consumer.
I say "the correct digital book" because if you try to purchase a book with certain material in it you want to unlock, you better first make sure you search the forums, or reddit to verify it's the book that will actually unlock it. Apparently, just because the material is in the book you purchase, doesn't mean it'll actually unlock it's use and sharing on DnD Beyond. For example: if you buy Tashas CoE because you want the Spore druid subclass you will soon find that despite that subclass CLEARLY being in the book - it won't actually give you access to it. Instead, you have to buy Ravnica. This is not posted clearly -ANYWHERE- in the market place.
Not correct. If you purchased a book you unlock everything in that book even if it was originally printed in a different book. The need to get something from a different book was only applicable to a la carte purchasing - where you could only buy something on its own from the book it was first printed in. Buying a whole book unlocks everything in it. You still have to use the original source toggle for the character which can be confusing, but the whole content should be unlocked. If it hasn't for you then first check licenses are in sync (Account > Licenses) and if that doesn't work, contact Customer Support.
It's like you think I'm an idiot or just making stuff up. I am quite literally in discussions with their customer support over the very issue I described. There are multiple other people on these forums and reddit discussing the exact same problem with other materials. These issues began when they made the changes that everyone is discussing in this thread. So... No, it is not unlocking everything in the book as it should.
In fact the market place has been made more difficult to navigate and determine what each item actually unlocks. instead of a detailed list, you just get a blurb like "x number of new items!" or "a new class!"
Sort of. The blurb is there but if you go to Sources and then go to the book you want, you can read the Table of Contents which will detail classes and such. It's not a full list, but does give a decent enough view of what you can expect from it. The Table of Contents can be viewed for any book, even if you have not purchased it and don't have it shared with you. The reason is precisely for this purpose: so you can get an idea of what you'll get so you can see if you want to get the book.
Which, as established already in my previous statement, does not actually confirm that the content will actually be unlocked and usable currently. Again, I didn't come in here and just start flailing my arms around whilst senselessly babbling word vomit. These are actual problems I and others are experiencing. You defending them or saying otherwise does not change that they are factually an issue for some people.
The way this is being handle feels like it's class action lawsuit worthy.
It's not. The way they have handled this is, no doubt, shitty and shady and definitely breaks trust and faith in the company. However, it is 100% legal.
Shitty, shady, and completely destructive of trust and faith in the company we agree on. I'm not so sure about the legal part. Removing access to the discounts that they advertised when people agreed to the purchases very much sounds like they're reneging on their part of the deal. Additionally, the other issues I've explained are also a breach of contract on their part - they sold those a la carte contents with the understanding that they would be usable and shareable. In many cases this is proving to no longer be true, and discussions with them in support tickets has thus far not proven otherwise.
They may have TOS that we agreed to, but there are still consumer protection laws in place around the world and I'm willing to bet that these shady dealings fly in the face of at least a few.
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37 pages later, they're likely going to just sweep this under the rug. We're all screaming into the void at this point.
Welp, at this point just gonna wait to convert to Daggerheart & MCDM
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The TTRPG throne is being left vacant
Don't give up, guys.
That’s basically how this feels. Throwing up a discount randomly probably because their sales suddenly dropped
Yep. I missed the MCDM deal.
Untlil this changes, not another digi-dollar more.
DId you know?
The DDB marketplace has REMOVED the option for purchasing one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters "a la carte".
Now you ALWAYS have to buy the ENTIRE book instead.
Unhappy? UNSUBSCRIBE and
Let them know your thoughts!
Honestly, if they didn’t just piss everyone off and then ignore us for a month I would totally buy the Tone of Beasts 1 & Humblewood sets right now. They’re on sale yeah, but not even enough to be so enticing to break the boycott.
Humblewood is at least 3rd party. WotC would still get a cut though.
They're throwing up a discount because the new books are coming out, if they have a strategy towards this issue at all it's "ignore it and hope it blows over".
Can be all of the above, actually. Including "Our theory that removing a la carte will mean they will buy more books is failing, let's try a discount and see what happens"
Not even the Shadow knows what evil lurks in the hearts of marketing departments.
I see nothigns change an a la carte is still gone, meh discounts aint enticing enough to buy whole damn books instead of a couple character options id want unless i could but the whole damn book for what character options cost me before
In fairness to them, discounting adventures / campaign settings makes a lot of sense under normal circumstances. While everything player centric is a bad purchase with a new edition on the horizon, adventures can be used just fine with little to no tweaks, and it's not as if you were only buying the Amber Temple and not the rest of Curse of Strahd...
...but please don't buy it. Please. Not until they fix their mistake.
I do agree with this frustration, and I suspect a lot of this is a visibility issue for the wider community (i.e. People don't know about the problem until it's brought to their attention).
I'm taking to announcing my displeasure in the other posts Dndbeyond do on their main page - I.e.
"Oh what a great monster, It's a shame I can't buy it individually since you removed the A-la-carte feature)".
"This book seems interesting - it's a shame I cant just buy the Monsters like I used to be able to, since you removed the a-la-carte feature". Etc.
Just gets the visibility out there in the comments.
nah, that discount was planned way ahead. this is so standard. they can't have the old version discounted too close to the same time they start selling the new version or else a significant number of people will equate the discount price with the value of the stuff. then you have people asking why the new thing costs twice as much as they now value it.
still, there's lots of other reasons to continue being annoyed. like for instance: maybe ask what percentage of the new full price digital book goes to pay costs (artists, writers, graphics design, cloud servers, translation, new app features, etc) and which percent goes into the pockets of suits who do nothing but make decisions we don't like?
unhappy at the way in which we lost individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
tell them you don't like features disappeared quietly in the night: provide feedback!
The reality is, words are cheap, so if they were responding at all, their response would include words. Since they haven't said anything, they aren't actually responding.
Nope, nor will I buy any other WotC product, digital or otherwise. While the removal of a la carte is a big problem, the bigger issue for me is the disrespectful way they treat their customers.
There's many ways they could have calmed things down, not just by bringing back a la carte, but if they'd explained why things were changing or even just acknowledged the complaints and apologised I expect they'd have been much less anger from the community. After all the issues the last year or two (OGL, pinkertons, AI art etc) you'd think PR would be a priority for them, but if they can't even be bothered to communicate with their customers then I'm not spending another penny with them.
The way this is being handle feels like it's class action lawsuit worthy.
So the way it's been done, users that purchased pieces of content to share with their campaigns are no longer able to share that material - only use it themselves. Then, in order to unlock the sharing for other users, they have to purchase the correct digital book, which doesn't apply any sort of discounts, even if you already own half the material in said book!
I say "the correct digital book" because if you try to purchase a book with certain material in it you want to unlock, you better first make sure you search the forums, or reddit to verify it's the book that will actually unlock it. Apparently, just because the material is in the book you purchase, doesn't mean it'll actually unlock it's use and sharing on DnD Beyond. For example: if you buy Tashas CoE because you want the Spore druid subclass you will soon find that despite that subclass CLEARLY being in the book - it won't actually give you access to it. Instead, you have to buy Ravnica. This is not posted clearly -ANYWHERE- in the market place. In fact the market place has been made more difficult to navigate and determine what each item actually unlocks. instead of a detailed list, you just get a blurb like "x number of new items!" or "a new class!"
This is absurd on so many levels...
Just bought some books during the sale.
Didn't get any at 50% off but.......
By the way ,for any WOTC people watching this thread. My price point for a digital book from here is 15 bucks. I never bought piecemeal since I want everything.
So in the future it would be nice if the digital copy of all books was about 15 bucks. I would start buying them all as soon as they came out, or at least think about it.
Mine was about $20 which several sales got to with my LB discount, but that ship has sailed and with piece meal gone I just don't have enough interest in what is coming down the line to buy whole books anymore.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
This is not correct. Anything purchased, even by a la carte method before the marketplace change, can still be shared through Content Sharing.
Half-right, half-wrong. The marketplace won't automatically apply a discount automatically for previous a la carte purchases but you can obtain such discount by contacting Customer Support first. They are looking into a way to make the process easier.
Not correct. If you purchased a book you unlock everything in that book even if it was originally printed in a different book. The need to get something from a different book was only applicable to a la carte purchasing - where you could only buy something on its own from the book it was first printed in. Buying a whole book unlocks everything in it. You still have to use the original source toggle for the character which can be confusing, but the whole content should be unlocked. If it hasn't for you then first check licenses are in sync (Account > Licenses) and if that doesn't work, contact Customer Support.
Sort of. The blurb is there but if you go to Sources and then go to the book you want, you can read the Table of Contents which will detail classes and such. It's not a full list, but does give a decent enough view of what you can expect from it. The Table of Contents can be viewed for any book, even if you have not purchased it and don't have it shared with you. The reason is precisely for this purpose: so you can get an idea of what you'll get so you can see if you want to get the book.
It's not. The way they have handled this is, no doubt, shitty and shady and definitely breaks trust and faith in the company. However, it is 100% legal.
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No, I didn't just come in here ranting for no reason. I and 7 other friends have confirmed that not all a la carte materials are shareable. We've tested it in multiple different campaigns and verified that it's simply not working. Some does, some does not. If the campaign existed prior to the changes it seems the materials are still available. But if you start a new campaign and try to share things you're going to run into multiple pieces that just are not available to others in that campaign.
You should have just ended your statement after "The marketplace won't automatically apply a discount" and agreed. First of all they haven't clearly indicated the "contact customer support" -anywhere- in the marketplace. They don't have notifications in checkout. They did absolutely -nothing- to make sure people weren't getting ripped off. Contacting customer support for a discount and waiting for days, or weeks, to see if they'll honor the discount they told you you'd get is utter BS. As is them claiming to look into a way to make the process easier. They knew before they made the changes that this issue would exist, and they did nothing about it. This is a deceptive practice if there ever was one. They're banking on people either A) not knowing that they have to contact them for the discount, or B) Not having time to wait for said discount before purchasing the material they very likely need for their gaming session.
I will never understand why people like you defend shitty business practices that are designed or implemented in ways that screw over the consumer.
It's like you think I'm an idiot or just making stuff up. I am quite literally in discussions with their customer support over the very issue I described. There are multiple other people on these forums and reddit discussing the exact same problem with other materials. These issues began when they made the changes that everyone is discussing in this thread.
So... No, it is not unlocking everything in the book as it should.
Which, as established already in my previous statement, does not actually confirm that the content will actually be unlocked and usable currently. Again, I didn't come in here and just start flailing my arms around whilst senselessly babbling word vomit. These are actual problems I and others are experiencing. You defending them or saying otherwise does not change that they are factually an issue for some people.
Shitty, shady, and completely destructive of trust and faith in the company we agree on.
I'm not so sure about the legal part. Removing access to the discounts that they advertised when people agreed to the purchases very much sounds like they're reneging on their part of the deal. Additionally, the other issues I've explained are also a breach of contract on their part - they sold those a la carte contents with the understanding that they would be usable and shareable. In many cases this is proving to no longer be true, and discussions with them in support tickets has thus far not proven otherwise.
They may have TOS that we agreed to, but there are still consumer protection laws in place around the world and I'm willing to bet that these shady dealings fly in the face of at least a few.