When new dms ask me for my opinion on DNDbeyond, the option to purchase piecemeal to just get the things you want is the first thing I mentioned. I may not need the new book, but I'll pay a portion for the monsters or magic items.
hasbro just reminding us they don't care and don't understand what the community wants. and to do it without saying anything is especially despicable.
The changes to the market place are terrible. One of the best tings about this site was the a la carte options. Now if I want to buy something froim a book I already bought one set of options from I have to buy te whole thing again. Bad move
I was thinking of purchasing the DMG and decided to go to the store page to see what monsters, magic items, subclasses, etc. were offered. Not only am I now finding out that they straight up hide what the books contain, I am also learning that they are using predatory tactics to effectively charge twice when purchasing content you partially own. I am here because THE WEBSITE WOULDN'T EVEN LET ME SCROLL DOWN. What the hell happened to this site? They have bugs from 2018 still here and are more focused on downgrading their features that aren't broken. The old marketplace was fine, the new one is so stupid it hurts.
Just curious: Is the plan to take the intended extra profits, and place it all into a legal squad designed to take down surging pirating sources? (When WoC should be placing it into ACCURATE and CLEAR marketing and advertisement?)
Lets face it: The demand is still there, but WoC has terrible control over their IP, because the internets. The product is literally transformable into a single file within the hour of it hitting live... So WoC makes it more difficult to purchase things legitimately, all while bumping their NA customers all over the place with pre-order shenanigan's that place the priority on supporting EU customers (I know, they have better consumer protections than we do, so WoC felt it was cool to target us since there wasn't legal ramifications). And let us not forget, this wasn't just any pre-release SNAFU, but what is being billed as the "big bang" event for 5e.
In a day and period where people are just once again realizing what it means to "vote with their dollar," and just before a big 2024 refresh of 5E... all of these are managerial practices that just make so much sense given the period of upcoming product turmoil.
You want feedback, stop treating your customer's like they are piggy banks. Keep smashing them, and eventually they'll switch to a different place to put their money.
Commenting just to pile on and make sure Hasbro knows that we’re aware how anti-consumer this is. So much for rebuilding trust after dropping the ball on the OGL
This is disgusting, just another money-grubbing tactic that WotC and Hasbro are trying to pull on us. Seriously rethinking of renewing my upcoming membership.
If they wanna play this game, maybe I'll support Pathfinder instead!
Between the marketplace changes and the incredibly bad rollout of VEoR AND the rude customer support I've received over both issues, I feel like this company is just going to scam us until they get sued and feel the sweet relief of bankruptcy to clear their debts.
Just adding my voice to this. I also can't believe how bad the UI is now.. Did they not do any UX testing? I mean, it is really, really bad now... it's not just a step backwards, it feels like it is years behind what was there before.... unreal. I just bought a ton of digital stuff (been physical up until january 2024) and this is a major bummer to me...
Won't be getting another dime from me until they revert this nonsense.
This was a very unwise decision. I have no idea why they would make it because with this feature, people who couldnt afford full books, COULD afford certain key pieces of content, and this freedom would allow for a wider range of content getting out, used, word of mouth and then bought by others. And if the content was good enough, would entice people to purchase whole books. This is just a miss on every logical front. ITs not even greed, cause its going to have the opposite effect.
Here's the thing. Hasbro doesn't care about the people who can't afford the full book. They see customers as barriers to their money (when, in fact, the realty is the opposite in that, the customers are the source of their money). And in that thought process, they don't want little $2 purchases, they want $20+ per purchase, not even considering that many people aren't willing to make those $20+ dollar purchases since they're not planning on using the entire content of a given book.
It IS greed. But their greed had gotten so bad it's blinded them to the fact that it will lessen the money they get, even though it's obvious to us. Their thoughts are simply "what if each of these $2 purchases were $20 instead?" without considering why they had so many $2 purchases.
How many times do Hasbro have to take money grabbing moves that harm their community? Honestly, Pathfinder 2e's revised rules are really great and I would honestly suggest some people give it a try. :)
This is a terrible change, it's obviously anti-consumerist but more importantly to WOTC and Hasbro it also likely to reduce profits, I regularly bought the occasion piece of content, subclasses, backgrounds or monsters from the marketplace as a when I needed or wanted them, often buying them from books I had no interest in buying anything else from. There is no way people like me would spend £30-40 on a book for the 1-2 things they want out of it. This is a short sighted, ill informed business decision that will come back to bite WOTC in the only place they care about, their bottom line.
It's funny how they keep on pushing people to leave while cutting employees and giving people at the top millions in salary.
I have cancelled my sub when they decided to jump off a cliff last year, but was considering a return if I liked the "One D&D" books... But I guess they wont stop until they milk EVERYTHING. So F that and the greedy model they pursue.
Same boat. Was considering giving them my money again, but even that consideration is off the table until they reverse this awful decision.
Cutting that feature is such a corporate "maximizing" profit move. It's disgusting and defeats the purpose of a digital platform. You buy a physical book because you can't just rip out the pages you want, digitally everything is already tabulated and broken apart so getting the parts you need doesn't cause any extra work on the back end. Hasbro really must have a short term memory if they can't see pissing on their base of paying individuals with bullshit corporate decisions does not end well.
Not usually one for piling on with issues like this, but this really feels like a complete lack of knowledge/interest about what their customer base comes to their site for. Is there really going to be enough people willing to buy a whole book just to get access to a certain spell/item to cover the loss of the individual purchases they previously offered. I certainly won't be purchasing any more content, short of books like TCoE with a decent amount of subclasses/items/general player options to justify the price. Sure, online tools are handy, but the advantage they have over pencil and paper only stretches so far.
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When new dms ask me for my opinion on DNDbeyond, the option to purchase piecemeal to just get the things you want is the first thing I mentioned. I may not need the new book, but I'll pay a portion for the monsters or magic items.
hasbro just reminding us they don't care and don't understand what the community wants. and to do it without saying anything is especially despicable.
this sucks hard, i had just gotten the master sub days before the change
The changes to the market place are terrible. One of the best tings about this site was the a la carte options. Now if I want to buy something froim a book I already bought one set of options from I have to buy te whole thing again. Bad move
I was thinking of purchasing the DMG and decided to go to the store page to see what monsters, magic items, subclasses, etc. were offered. Not only am I now finding out that they straight up hide what the books contain, I am also learning that they are using predatory tactics to effectively charge twice when purchasing content you partially own. I am here because THE WEBSITE WOULDN'T EVEN LET ME SCROLL DOWN. What the hell happened to this site? They have bugs from 2018 still here and are more focused on downgrading their features that aren't broken. The old marketplace was fine, the new one is so stupid it hurts.
Any chance enough backlash and we could go back, this is just incase anti-consumer
It's like someone asked me how they could improve the existing marketplace and then did the exact opposite of every single thing I suggested.
All generalizations are false.
In the very least we should still have the discounts and such for items bought a la carte, without having to jump through hoops
Just curious: Is the plan to take the intended extra profits, and place it all into a legal squad designed to take down surging pirating sources? (When WoC should be placing it into ACCURATE and CLEAR marketing and advertisement?)
Lets face it: The demand is still there, but WoC has terrible control over their IP, because the internets. The product is literally transformable into a single file within the hour of it hitting live... So WoC makes it more difficult to purchase things legitimately, all while bumping their NA customers all over the place with pre-order shenanigan's that place the priority on supporting EU customers (I know, they have better consumer protections than we do, so WoC felt it was cool to target us since there wasn't legal ramifications). And let us not forget, this wasn't just any pre-release SNAFU, but what is being billed as the "big bang" event for 5e.
In a day and period where people are just once again realizing what it means to "vote with their dollar," and just before a big 2024 refresh of 5E... all of these are managerial practices that just make so much sense given the period of upcoming product turmoil.
You want feedback, stop treating your customer's like they are piggy banks. Keep smashing them, and eventually they'll switch to a different place to put their money.
Commenting just to pile on and make sure Hasbro knows that we’re aware how anti-consumer this is. So much for rebuilding trust after dropping the ball on the OGL
This is disgusting, just another money-grubbing tactic that WotC and Hasbro are trying to pull on us. Seriously rethinking of renewing my upcoming membership.
If they wanna play this game, maybe I'll support Pathfinder instead!
Between the marketplace changes and the incredibly bad rollout of VEoR AND the rude customer support I've received over both issues, I feel like this company is just going to scam us until they get sued and feel the sweet relief of bankruptcy to clear their debts.
Just adding my voice to this. I also can't believe how bad the UI is now.. Did they not do any UX testing? I mean, it is really, really bad now... it's not just a step backwards, it feels like it is years behind what was there before.... unreal. I just bought a ton of digital stuff (been physical up until january 2024) and this is a major bummer to me...
Won't be getting another dime from me until they revert this nonsense.
This was a very unwise decision. I have no idea why they would make it because with this feature, people who couldnt afford full books, COULD afford certain key pieces of content, and this freedom would allow for a wider range of content getting out, used, word of mouth and then bought by others. And if the content was good enough, would entice people to purchase whole books. This is just a miss on every logical front. ITs not even greed, cause its going to have the opposite effect.
Totally agree this was a terrible move. Posted a longer critique in PSA: The marketplace got rid of individual purchases! - General Discussion - D&D Beyond General - D&D Beyond Forums - D&D Beyond (dndbeyond.com)
Here's the thing. Hasbro doesn't care about the people who can't afford the full book. They see customers as barriers to their money (when, in fact, the realty is the opposite in that, the customers are the source of their money). And in that thought process, they don't want little $2 purchases, they want $20+ per purchase, not even considering that many people aren't willing to make those $20+ dollar purchases since they're not planning on using the entire content of a given book.
It IS greed. But their greed had gotten so bad it's blinded them to the fact that it will lessen the money they get, even though it's obvious to us. Their thoughts are simply "what if each of these $2 purchases were $20 instead?" without considering why they had so many $2 purchases.
Meh. PF2e went too far down the 4e path.
This is a terrible change, it's obviously anti-consumerist but more importantly to WOTC and Hasbro it also likely to reduce profits, I regularly bought the occasion piece of content, subclasses, backgrounds or monsters from the marketplace as a when I needed or wanted them, often buying them from books I had no interest in buying anything else from. There is no way people like me would spend £30-40 on a book for the 1-2 things they want out of it. This is a short sighted, ill informed business decision that will come back to bite WOTC in the only place they care about, their bottom line.
Same boat. Was considering giving them my money again, but even that consideration is off the table until they reverse this awful decision.
Cutting that feature is such a corporate "maximizing" profit move. It's disgusting and defeats the purpose of a digital platform. You buy a physical book because you can't just rip out the pages you want, digitally everything is already tabulated and broken apart so getting the parts you need doesn't cause any extra work on the back end. Hasbro really must have a short term memory if they can't see pissing on their base of paying individuals with bullshit corporate decisions does not end well.
Not usually one for piling on with issues like this, but this really feels like a complete lack of knowledge/interest about what their customer base comes to their site for. Is there really going to be enough people willing to buy a whole book just to get access to a certain spell/item to cover the loss of the individual purchases they previously offered. I certainly won't be purchasing any more content, short of books like TCoE with a decent amount of subclasses/items/general player options to justify the price. Sure, online tools are handy, but the advantage they have over pencil and paper only stretches so far.