Question sums it up.How do you remove the 2024 rules? I dont own the new content but the free 2024 content keeps popping up and while I know what theyre doing . . . No thanks. The game I'm gonna play in is a 2014 corebook one. Even roll20 does this better.
I initially started paying for dnd beyond because it was coherent and not confusing for new players. But I might just cancel my sub and go back to pen and paper if there's no way to.
Edit: I'm not here for politics. Go to other threads for that.
You can't right now. That's why many people like myself unsubscribed because DDB became a pain in the neck for playing a 5E14 campaign smoothly. WoTC strategy seems to force people into using 5E24 ruleset on this website.
I'd love to be able to remove the "species" garbage from my 2014 characters. It's always been races and this is just confusing along with all the other stuff. I started paying for d&d beyond because it was the easiest way to create a character not for this confusing garbage.
You can't right now. That's why many people like myself unsubscribed because DDB became a pain in the neck for playing a 5E14 campaign smoothly. WoTC strategy seems to force people into using 5E24 ruleset on this website.
Only way wotc can make money is ramming this down people's throats.
I have already cancelled my subscription sadly its the only thing that speaks the loudest to WOTC.
I have suggested something like this on multiple of their platforms, this way you can filter content you don't wish to see throughout the entire site.
while I agree with everyone who thinks there should be a toggle for the 2024 rules, I don't think it should be at the site wide level. I use both systems depending on character and campaign, and I think that the toggle should be at the character or campaign level.
It would absolutely be helpful to have such toggles, but if you don't update your character sheet, all the rollables and statistics will remain the same (barring a couple of bugs in the new rollout, such as the Monk's Martial Arts die, which is being worked on actively).
However.
"This is bad because they tried to use a more scientifically correct and politically acceptable term" is a laughable take. The renaming of that feature doesn't bother anyone reasonable.
while I agree with everyone who thinks there should be a toggle for the 2024 rules, I don't think it should be at the site wide level. I use both systems depending on character and campaign, and I think that the toggle should be at the character or campaign level.
I see while I understand your reasoning, I want a option like this is because to help filter out content from character sheets, compendiums, searches and etc. Having a character sheet toggle could work good for players or even have a toggle for the campaign creation would be nice.
In terms of D&D, it's iffy, as race is a societal term and not a biological one. It may be applicable, but it's setting-dependent. Species is objectively more accurate and there's nothing wrong with it, either.
Nonetheless, anyone complaining about that change needs to find something real to complain about. There's plenty (Ranger's still trash, Divine Smite's a spell now, PHB feels all out of order, a few spells were shafted for no apparent reason, lack of communication from WotC was what led to the rushed implementation of the 2014/2024 side-by-side rules instead of the devs having real time to get it done leading to the bugs we have now) but that isn't it.
I was going to renew, and will if they fix this issue, otherwise they will not get a bent copper from me. This is a crappy/greasy thing to do, and if they choose not to fix it then I hope many more will choose not to give them any more money, when there is a way to have seperate rulesets then I will not only resume my subscription, but I will buy the new rule set and other books.
In terms of D&D, it's iffy, as race is a societal term and not a biological one. It may be applicable, but it's setting-dependent. Species is objectively more accurate and there's nothing wrong with it, either.
Nonetheless, anyone complaining about that change needs to find something real to complain about. There's plenty (Ranger's still trash, Divine Smite's a spell now, PHB feels all out of order, a few spells were shafted for no apparent reason, lack of communication from WotC was what led to the rushed implementation of the 2014/2024 side-by-side rules instead of the devs having real time to get it done leading to the bugs we have now) but that isn't it.
A term like Ancestry at least humanizes the different options. Species makes it sound as if two individuals belonging to two different humanoid cultures—an elf and a human say—capable of interacting in every way like two different humans belong to entirely different species from one another. If you're struggling to understand why many might find that offensive given the role of romance between elves and humans in The Silmarillion and The Lord of the Rings and how these can be read as analogs for bicultural and not "cross-species" relationships then I really don't know what to say. Race is a construct. But then so is race in the works of Tolkien and of many other writers of fantasy fiction. Only it is constructed around the idea that we—Homo sapiens—are one race. ("There is only one race: The human race" is a commonly held view when it comes to this very subject. How scientifically accurate or inaccurate it is is because we are in fact a species is really beside the point.) And also that there are others who are not so unlike us.
The differences between a hobbit and a human are so small that if hobbits existed they would most definitely be considered human. And not an entirely different species. In fact it's safe to assume that anyone who would consider them a different species would be regarded with suspicion. Because that's the sort of language one expects from hateful individuals when talking about ethnic groups with a phenotype that sees them with a shorter stature than others.
It's worth remembering that Tolkien saw he and his wife in Beren and Lúthien. Man. Elf. Belonging to two different cultures. Not to two distinct species.
Looks like for example Lance damage has changed from D12 to D10. So now when checking inventory my physical book (2014) shows different value than my (2014) digital rules.
Is it really so that we cannot play "only 2014" any more?
1 or 2 weeks before we started a new campaign and they pull this. Just resubscribed to dndbeyond, owlbear rodeo and obsidian portal just to have them pull the rug out and mess up everyone's character sheets. Have new players that have never played that are 100% confused and turned off from the game because of this also. Their character creation went super easy and they were excited to play until their pc's were polluted with the 2024 stuff no one asked for. They took a page out of U2s forced album debacle but didn't pay attention to how that worked out in the end.
I've dm'd since the 80s and this type of thing really makes me want to just pull the cord and retire from the game all together.
I feel 100% bamboozled. I purchased the Source Book Bundle a couple years back (~$600). And enjoyed using it and Dndbeyond with my friends. But there's still a lot of pre-2024 content that I own that I haven't gotten to play through yet (and that's ignoring possible replays with different groups). But now Dndbeyond is borderline unusable because of the messiness of having both the 2014 and 2024 content side by side. Sure I can ask my players to only use the 2014 content (referred to as legacy in app). But it's clunky. Also, it's difficult enough to keep tabs on the spell list and ruleset I know let alone try to integrate conflicting rulesets and adjudicate any discrepancies on the fly.
I have absolutely no interest in purchasing 2024 and forward content until I've gotten through what I already own and/or am bored with 2014 (which I'm not). I understand that this is almost certainly a calculated and conscious decision to push people towards purchasing more books, but I just want to enjoy what I have. Dndbeyond was a very worthwhile subscription to help me do that before the 2024 release. Now I feel like I can't even use the very expensive content I've already paid for.
I guess I'll take this as a lesson not to invest in digital media that I do not directly own. I really do hope they add a campaign level toggle to exclude 2024 content (or just make the 2024 a toggleable option just like all the other content). Alas, I too have cancelled my subscription and will be moving to pencil and paper until this feature is added.
I feel 100% bamboozled. I purchased the Source Book Bundle a couple years back (~$600). And enjoyed using it and Dndbeyond with my friends. But there's still a lot of pre-2024 content that I own that I haven't gotten to play through yet (and that's ignoring possible replays with different groups). But now Dndbeyond is borderline unusable because of the messiness of having both the 2014 and 2024 content side by side. Sure I can ask my players to only use the 2014 content (referred to as legacy in app). But it's clunky. Also, it's difficult enough to keep tabs on the spell list and ruleset I know let alone try to integrate conflicting rulesets and adjudicate any discrepancies on the fly.
I have absolutely no interest in purchasing 2024 and forward content until I've gotten through what I already own and/or am bored with 2014 (which I'm not). I understand that this is almost certainly a calculated and conscious decision to push people towards purchasing more books, but I just want to enjoy what I have. Dndbeyond was a very worthwhile subscription to help me do that before the 2024 release. Now I feel like I can't even use the very expensive content I've already paid for.
I guess I'll take this as a lesson not to invest in digital media that I do not directly own. I really do hope they add a campaign level toggle to exclude 2024 content (or just make the 2024 a toggleable option just like all the other content). Alas, I too have cancelled my subscription and will be moving to pencil and paper until this feature is added.
They've created source filters on a few areas so you can look only at the sources you want, such as only legacy spells. The 2024 spells are still in the main list, but can be filtered out with a click. Might want to look into that.
Thank you for the suggestion. I'm aware of the filters. And they do work for filtering to just the pre 2024 content. But it is a bit clunky. Like why is some stuff "Legacy" and other stuff "Expanded Rules"? Expanded rules sounds like it would include new content too. I know for now it's pre 2024 stuff that isn't from the 2014 core rules. But still clunky.
And that doesn't really help my players. Now I have to make sure they select that filter every time they are selecting spells. Where previously I could just set which sources were available at the campaign level. /sigh
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Question sums it up.How do you remove the 2024 rules? I dont own the new content but the free 2024 content keeps popping up and while I know what theyre doing . . . No thanks. The game I'm gonna play in is a 2014 corebook one. Even roll20 does this better.
I initially started paying for dnd beyond because it was coherent and not confusing for new players. But I might just cancel my sub and go back to pen and paper if there's no way to.
Edit: I'm not here for politics. Go to other threads for that.
You can't right now. That's why many people like myself unsubscribed because DDB became a pain in the neck for playing a 5E14 campaign smoothly. WoTC strategy seems to force people into using 5E24 ruleset on this website.
I'd love to be able to remove the "species" garbage from my 2014 characters. It's always been races and this is just confusing along with all the other stuff. I started paying for d&d beyond because it was the easiest way to create a character not for this confusing garbage.
I have already cancelled my subscription sadly its the only thing that speaks the loudest to WOTC.
I have suggested something like this on multiple of their platforms, this way you can filter content you don't wish to see throughout the entire site.
Only way wotc can make money is ramming this down people's throats.
while I agree with everyone who thinks there should be a toggle for the 2024 rules, I don't think it should be at the site wide level. I use both systems depending on character and campaign, and I think that the toggle should be at the character or campaign level.
It would absolutely be helpful to have such toggles, but if you don't update your character sheet, all the rollables and statistics will remain the same (barring a couple of bugs in the new rollout, such as the Monk's Martial Arts die, which is being worked on actively).
However.
"This is bad because they tried to use a more scientifically correct and politically acceptable term" is a laughable take. The renaming of that feature doesn't bother anyone reasonable.
I see while I understand your reasoning, I want a option like this is because to help filter out content from character sheets, compendiums, searches and etc.
Having a character sheet toggle could work good for players or even have a toggle for the campaign creation would be nice.
There's nothing wrong with the word "race."
In terms of D&D, it's iffy, as race is a societal term and not a biological one. It may be applicable, but it's setting-dependent. Species is objectively more accurate and there's nothing wrong with it, either.
Nonetheless, anyone complaining about that change needs to find something real to complain about. There's plenty (Ranger's still trash, Divine Smite's a spell now, PHB feels all out of order, a few spells were shafted for no apparent reason, lack of communication from WotC was what led to the rushed implementation of the 2014/2024 side-by-side rules instead of the devs having real time to get it done leading to the bugs we have now) but that isn't it.
I was going to renew, and will if they fix this issue, otherwise they will not get a bent copper from me. This is a crappy/greasy thing to do, and if they choose not to fix it then I hope many more will choose not to give them any more money, when there is a way to have seperate rulesets then I will not only resume my subscription, but I will buy the new rule set and other books.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
A term like Ancestry at least humanizes the different options. Species makes it sound as if two individuals belonging to two different humanoid cultures—an elf and a human say—capable of interacting in every way like two different humans belong to entirely different species from one another. If you're struggling to understand why many might find that offensive given the role of romance between elves and humans in The Silmarillion and The Lord of the Rings and how these can be read as analogs for bicultural and not "cross-species" relationships then I really don't know what to say. Race is a construct. But then so is race in the works of Tolkien and of many other writers of fantasy fiction. Only it is constructed around the idea that we—Homo sapiens—are one race. ("There is only one race: The human race" is a commonly held view when it comes to this very subject. How scientifically accurate or inaccurate it is is because we are in fact a species is really beside the point.) And also that there are others who are not so unlike us.
The differences between a hobbit and a human are so small that if hobbits existed they would most definitely be considered human. And not an entirely different species. In fact it's safe to assume that anyone who would consider them a different species would be regarded with suspicion. Because that's the sort of language one expects from hateful individuals when talking about ethnic groups with a phenotype that sees them with a shorter stature than others.
It's worth remembering that Tolkien saw he and his wife in Beren and Lúthien. Man. Elf. Belonging to two different cultures. Not to two distinct species.
There's a new game my friend will be running in the future that will be using 2014 rules, so not updating the sheet is not good of a solution.
My opinion on what people claim is the politics side of thing, whether agreeing or disagreeing, isn't the point of this post though.
Looks like for example Lance damage has changed from D12 to D10. So now when checking inventory my physical book (2014) shows different value than my (2014) digital rules.
Is it really so that we cannot play "only 2014" any more?
1 or 2 weeks before we started a new campaign and they pull this. Just resubscribed to dndbeyond, owlbear rodeo and obsidian portal just to have them pull the rug out and mess up everyone's character sheets. Have new players that have never played that are 100% confused and turned off from the game because of this also. Their character creation went super easy and they were excited to play until their pc's were polluted with the 2024 stuff no one asked for. They took a page out of U2s forced album debacle but didn't pay attention to how that worked out in the end.
I've dm'd since the 80s and this type of thing really makes me want to just pull the cord and retire from the game all together.
The use of "species" is not a 2024 garbage, it's an evolution since the word "race" has racist implications.
I feel 100% bamboozled. I purchased the Source Book Bundle a couple years back (~$600). And enjoyed using it and Dndbeyond with my friends. But there's still a lot of pre-2024 content that I own that I haven't gotten to play through yet (and that's ignoring possible replays with different groups). But now Dndbeyond is borderline unusable because of the messiness of having both the 2014 and 2024 content side by side. Sure I can ask my players to only use the 2014 content (referred to as legacy in app). But it's clunky. Also, it's difficult enough to keep tabs on the spell list and ruleset I know let alone try to integrate conflicting rulesets and adjudicate any discrepancies on the fly.
I have absolutely no interest in purchasing 2024 and forward content until I've gotten through what I already own and/or am bored with 2014 (which I'm not). I understand that this is almost certainly a calculated and conscious decision to push people towards purchasing more books, but I just want to enjoy what I have. Dndbeyond was a very worthwhile subscription to help me do that before the 2024 release. Now I feel like I can't even use the very expensive content I've already paid for.
I guess I'll take this as a lesson not to invest in digital media that I do not directly own. I really do hope they add a campaign level toggle to exclude 2024 content (or just make the 2024 a toggleable option just like all the other content). Alas, I too have cancelled my subscription and will be moving to pencil and paper until this feature is added.
They've created source filters on a few areas so you can look only at the sources you want, such as only legacy spells. The 2024 spells are still in the main list, but can be filtered out with a click. Might want to look into that.
Thank you for the suggestion. I'm aware of the filters. And they do work for filtering to just the pre 2024 content. But it is a bit clunky. Like why is some stuff "Legacy" and other stuff "Expanded Rules"? Expanded rules sounds like it would include new content too. I know for now it's pre 2024 stuff that isn't from the 2014 core rules. But still clunky.
And that doesn't really help my players. Now I have to make sure they select that filter every time they are selecting spells. Where previously I could just set which sources were available at the campaign level. /sigh