I'm hoping for Planescape, but I'm pretty sure that travel between Material Planes is related to the Ethereal, so I think it's a Material.
OTOH an alternate Material Plane could be fascinating…
I'm referring to non-FR Material Planes, like Eberron, Exandria, or Greyhawk. I'm really hoping we don't get alternate Materials, because that'll probably just be an Abeir sourcebook, and that's nothing but a good milestone for the various phases of the Forgotten Realms becoming a bloated mess.
I'm hoping for Planescape, but I'm pretty sure that travel between Material Planes is related to the Ethereal, so I think it's a Material.
OTOH an alternate Material Plane could be fascinating…
I'm referring to non-FR Material Planes, like Eberron, Exandria, or Greyhawk. I'm really hoping we don't get alternate Materials, because that'll probably just be an Abeir sourcebook, and that's nothing but a good milestone for the various phases of the Forgotten Realms becoming a bloated mess.
But aren’t they still using the Spelljammer model, where all those worlds are just different worlds in the same Material Plane? I know it dates all the way back to 2e, but it’s the only model I’ve ever seen that allows all those different worlds to exist as a coherent whole that allows characters to travel between them with relative ease. Or did Fizban’s overrule that when it talked about dragons having different incarnations on different Material Planes?
I'm hoping for Planescape, but I'm pretty sure that travel between Material Planes is related to the Ethereal, so I think it's a Material.
OTOH an alternate Material Plane could be fascinating…
I'm referring to non-FR Material Planes, like Eberron, Exandria, or Greyhawk. I'm really hoping we don't get alternate Materials, because that'll probably just be an Abeir sourcebook, and that's nothing but a good milestone for the various phases of the Forgotten Realms becoming a bloated mess.
But aren’t they still using the Spelljammer model, where all those worlds are just different worlds in the same Material Plane? I know it dates all the way back to 2e, but it’s the only model I’ve ever seen that allows all those different worlds to exist as a coherent whole that allows characters to travel between them with relative ease. Or did Fizban’s overrule that when it talked about dragons having different incarnations on different Material Planes?
The multiverse model I think that's implied in Fizban's I think leads to the fuzziness of the latter than a single material plane universe containing all the "material plane" worlds of the Faerun, Greyhawk, Krynn etc. You have Dragons that are said to exist in multiple worlds at the same time, and the path of some Great Wyrms involves unifying or consuming all the dragon's "selves."
It's a heady concept, and I sort of like it, as I like doing echoes of characters anyway in my games anyway. For example, much beloved "roadie" NPC Giddy's remains are found by all around badass butt out of fire ex machina Gideon Mindwrack, and he sees the resemblance in cheekbones (though Giddy was a human and Gideon's a Damphyr). I drop teases along the lines of a "whatever happened to?" party that never finished their campaign, but players still play with me ... they had multiple futures. This lost party has been found to be the level bosses and BBEG of a pyramid of darkness sort of scenario but also show up heroically at some "epic" rallies and battles. Anycase, thing is that sort of "worldsbuilding" with what the writer Luis Jorges Borges called "gardens of forking paths" are really hard to map out in the way one would expect from a WotC 5e product, so while Fizban's and the Blue Veil etc. promise some neatness I think we're going to see a fairly mundane product that will reflect Planespellscapejams ... though I see the possibility of a "both/and" there by allowing within in the prime "echo worlds" so there are multiple Greyhawks and Faeruns, etc. And that would be more in line with WotC's stated position on Canon in 5e which can be amounted to "if you didn't play it, it didn't necessarily happen."
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Could be a players guide to the reaches of the outer planes. Cities that house the planer gates to the 16 major outer plane reaches, and allows players to pass though the Devine gates?
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" Darkvision doesn’t work in Magical darkness, and if something is magical, Never Trust it acts the same way as a non-magical version of that same thing!”- Discotech Mage over a cup of joe.
Was just thumbing through Tasha’s to read through the description of Dream of the Blue Veil, and there’s an interesting tidbit in the sidebar Traveling to Other Worlds. It reads:
Transit between these worlds is rare but not impossible and can be accomplished in various ways. One such method is called the Great Journey, an epic voyage fraught with peril and littered with obstacles to be overcome. This journey most often occurs aboard a vessel powered by magic.
Seems to hint towards Spelljammer already but that Great Journey phrase alongside the possible translation from the image being “the Journey”? Lots of stuff lining up.
based on the fact that the sign is a neon sign it's probably some future/spacey related thing.
And DEFINITELY going to have a patty-cake vibe, based on the faces we can actually see.
Can we PLEASE get away from the Saturday morning cartoon thing with these releases, already? Some content that caters to people over 12 would be nice.
Were you not here last year when Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft was released? Or last week when Call of the Netherdeep was released? Any book that has giant light-devouring alien anglerfish, giant jellyfish that petrify anyone that touches their tentacles and use them as human shields, and giant cancerous psychic sharks definitely caters to "people over 12".
Unless the Saturday morning cartoons that you grew up with were actually horror movies, I feel that you're either very ignorant about new releases or going to extreme hyperbole over the recent releases of two books that cater towards younger audiences (Witchlight and Strixhaven).
based on the fact that the sign is a neon sign it's probably some future/spacey related thing.
And DEFINITELY going to have a patty-cake vibe, based on the faces we can actually see.
Can we PLEASE get away from the Saturday morning cartoon thing with these releases, already? Some content that caters to people over 12 would be nice.
Were you not here last year when Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft was released? Or last week when Call of the Netherdeep was released? Any book that has light-devouring alien giant anglerfish, giant jellyfish that petrify anyone that touches their tentacles, and giant cancerous psychic sharks corrupted definitely caters to people over 12.
Unless the Saturday morning cartoons that you grew up with were actually horror movies, I feel that you're either very ignorant about new releases or going to extreme hyperbole over the recent releases of two books that cater towards younger audiences (Witchlight and Strixhaven).
Sure, CotN, WBtW, S: CoC, FToD, and all that are niche. But that doesn't mean that no-one likes them, it just means WotC doesn't attend to the whims of [REDACTED] as much anymore. Sure, they still do to an extent (read: old and useless settings like Spelljammer returning), but it's actually good that they're going for a wider audience.
Sure, CotN, WBtW, S: CoC, FToD, and all that are niche. But that doesn't mean that no-one likes them, it just means WotC doesn't attend to the whims of [REDACTED] as much anymore. Sure, they still do to an extent (read: old and useless settings like Spelljammer returning), but it's actually good that they're going for a wider audience.
I think you misunderstood me. I was dismissing the premise that WotC has/will only make "Kids D&D books" now that Rodney McNeeley was claiming.
Also, Spelljammer is an awesome campaign setting. It's definitely not "useless", it's the main way that people can travel from one D&D setting to another (from the Forgotten Realms to Exandria, Greyhawk, or Dragonlance, or vice versa), and is also the only D&D IN SPAAAAACE setting. A "useless" setting is one that would have no usage or role in the hobby, like one that's redundant with other existing settings (kind of like having both the Forgotten Realms and Greyhawk, as they're very similar). And a setting being "old" doesn't mean that it's inherently bad. Dark Sun, Ravenloft, Spelljammer, and Planescape are all older settings, but they're all awesome.
based on the fact that the sign is a neon sign it's probably some future/spacey related thing.
And DEFINITELY going to have a patty-cake vibe, based on the faces we can actually see.
Can we PLEASE get away from the Saturday morning cartoon thing with these releases, already? Some content that caters to people over 12 would be nice.
Were you not here last year when Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft was released? Or last week when Call of the Netherdeep was released? Any book that has light-devouring alien giant anglerfish, giant jellyfish that petrify anyone that touches their tentacles, and giant cancerous psychic sharks corrupted definitely caters to people over 12.
Unless the Saturday morning cartoons that you grew up with were actually horror movies, I feel that you're either very ignorant about new releases or going to extreme hyperbole over the recent releases of two books that cater towards younger audiences (Witchlight and Strixhaven).
Sure, CotN, WBtW, S: CoC, FToD, and all that are niche. But that doesn't mean that no-one likes them, it just means WotC doesn't attend to the whims of old, petty whiners as much anymore. Sure, they still do to an extent (read: old and useless settings like Spelljammer returning), but it's actually good that they're going for a wider audience.
Gentlebeings! I have further hacked the system and have determined WotC has a leg up on that indy developer who is creating five different Powered by the Apocalypse TTRPGs based on Faith No More Albums (that's actually a real thing, there's a Kickstarter and Everything), and issue a level 8-20 adventure based around Metallica's album Master of Puppets. There will be a special retailer exclusive band crossover covers featuring Eddie from Iron Maiden and the Painkiller from the so-titled Judas Priest album ... and DMsGuild will have a supplement "Taken to the Lord at the Edge" that will provide stats for Eddie and the Painkiller and a bunch of other ghastlies taken from album art from the hey day of those listed plus Megadeath.
Beedle and Grimm will create a box out of this somehow but also update peoples game to include content inspired by the Doom metal of Electric Wizard and Earth.
My source also says they fired Crawford and got the guy behind MOrk Borg to run D&D now.
Sure, CotN, WBtW, S: CoC, FToD, and all that are niche. But that doesn't mean that no-one likes them, it just means WotC doesn't attend to the whims of [REDACTED] as much anymore. Sure, they still do to an extent (read: old and useless settings like Spelljammer returning), but it's actually good that they're going for a wider audience.
I think you misunderstood me. I was dismissing the premise that WotC has/will only make "Kids D&D books" now that Rodney McNeeley was claiming.
Also, Spelljammer is an awesome campaign setting. It's definitely not "useless", it's the main way that people can travel from one D&D setting to another (from the Forgotten Realms to Exandria, Greyhawk, or Dragonlance, or vice versa), and is also the only D&D IN SPAAAAACE setting. A "useless" setting is one that would have no usage or role in the hobby, like one that's redundant with other existing settings (kind of like having both the Forgotten Realms and Greyhawk, as they're very similar). And a setting being "old" doesn't mean that it's inherently bad. Dark Sun, Ravenloft, Spelljammer, and Planescape are all older settings, but they're all awesome.
And I remember when a LOT of people were weeping, wailing, and gnashing their collective teeth because the word "madness" was in the first draft of the book.
That flustered pearl-clutching was a HOOT.
You remember incorrectly, then. That is absolutelynot what happened. Wizards of the Coast did not release a "first draft" of the book for us to see, and the "Madness" discussion was completely tangential and originally unrelated to the book. The thread you are referringpredated the release of the book by just under a week, and WotC does not release "first drafts" of their books for people to see. From what I can tell, the start of that thread was completely unconnected to the release of Van Richten's. The book only came up later in the thread because Davyd mentioned how he preferred its take on a "sanity system" in game than the DMG's. So, no, there was no "pearl-clutching" over "madness" in the book, it was a completely different discussion that later discussed the book because of how people preferred how it did things over the DMG's depiction of madness.
Furthermore, you just completely ignored the content of my post to go on a rant about a thread from last year that you appear to still be upset about. This is a red-herring completely distracting from the fact that WotC is absolutely still publishing more "adult" content for D&D. Ravenloft was still a D&D Horror book (and an excellent one, from my experience with the book), Netherdeep still has quite a few more mature and horrific themes, and literally only two recent book in the history of D&D 5e are in any way "aimed at people under 12".
Just because Witchlight focused on bringing classic elements from Disney-style fairy tales (Alice in Wonderland, Peter Pan, Snow White) and Strixhaven is kinda-sorta Harry Potter-esque does not mean that WotC has/will only publish "Saturday Morning Cartoon D&D books". In fact, Witchlight has quite a few more mature themes in it (child enslavement, escaping the horrors of the Shadowfell's Domains of Dread by damning an innocent person to the Dark Powers of Ravenloft for decades, and a maddening alien-looking dragons that can set you on fire just by looking at you that you have to decapitate with a greatsword).
So, again, you're either lying or engaging in extreme hyperbole because you're salty over the release of 2 books last year that were aimed at an audience you were not a member of.
Strixhaven is aimed more at high school and college students than kids under 12.
You know, you both might be onto something with this revisionist history thing.
Rime of the Frost Maiden sorta left players who played the obelisks with a whole new open world to explore in the Forgotten Realms prehistory. From that position, the party could arguably change history. Maybe to do so, they must wrest some magic pearls from the powerful grip of the adventure's BBEG.
Good teamwork guys, exemplary collaboration and community team spirit.
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I'm referring to non-FR Material Planes, like Eberron, Exandria, or Greyhawk. I'm really hoping we don't get alternate Materials, because that'll probably just be an Abeir sourcebook, and that's nothing but a good milestone for the various phases of the Forgotten Realms becoming a bloated mess.
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I also make maps.(That's a link)
But aren’t they still using the Spelljammer model, where all those worlds are just different worlds in the same Material Plane? I know it dates all the way back to 2e, but it’s the only model I’ve ever seen that allows all those different worlds to exist as a coherent whole that allows characters to travel between them with relative ease. Or did Fizban’s overrule that when it talked about dragons having different incarnations on different Material Planes?
The multiverse model I think that's implied in Fizban's I think leads to the fuzziness of the latter than a single material plane universe containing all the "material plane" worlds of the Faerun, Greyhawk, Krynn etc. You have Dragons that are said to exist in multiple worlds at the same time, and the path of some Great Wyrms involves unifying or consuming all the dragon's "selves."
It's a heady concept, and I sort of like it, as I like doing echoes of characters anyway in my games anyway. For example, much beloved "roadie" NPC Giddy's remains are found by all around badass butt out of fire ex machina Gideon Mindwrack, and he sees the resemblance in cheekbones (though Giddy was a human and Gideon's a Damphyr). I drop teases along the lines of a "whatever happened to?" party that never finished their campaign, but players still play with me ... they had multiple futures. This lost party has been found to be the level bosses and BBEG of a pyramid of darkness sort of scenario but also show up heroically at some "epic" rallies and battles. Anycase, thing is that sort of "worldsbuilding" with what the writer Luis Jorges Borges called "gardens of forking paths" are really hard to map out in the way one would expect from a WotC 5e product, so while Fizban's and the Blue Veil etc. promise some neatness I think we're going to see a fairly mundane product that will reflect Planespellscapejams ... though I see the possibility of a "both/and" there by allowing within in the prime "echo worlds" so there are multiple Greyhawks and Faeruns, etc. And that would be more in line with WotC's stated position on Canon in 5e which can be amounted to "if you didn't play it, it didn't necessarily happen."
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Could be a players guide to the reaches of the outer planes. Cities that house the planer gates to the 16 major outer plane reaches, and allows players to pass though the Devine gates?
" Darkvision doesn’t work in Magical darkness, and if something is magical, Never Trust it acts the same way as a non-magical version of that same thing!”- Discotech Mage over a cup of joe.
based on the fact that the sign is a neon sign it's probably some future/spacey related thing.
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There is a good chance that we will know tomorrow.
Edit: ...unless Amazon spoils it sooner
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FWIW, I've read a leaker had said it might by a bunch of semi-related short adventures, candlekeep-style.
Was just thumbing through Tasha’s to read through the description of Dream of the Blue Veil, and there’s an interesting tidbit in the sidebar Traveling to Other Worlds. It reads:
Transit between these worlds is rare but not impossible and can be accomplished in various ways. One such method is called the Great Journey, an epic voyage fraught with peril and littered with obstacles to be overcome. This journey most often occurs aboard a vessel powered by magic.
Seems to hint towards Spelljammer already but that Great Journey phrase alongside the possible translation from the image being “the Journey”? Lots of stuff lining up.
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I think we'll know at midnight EST because Amazon can't help itself
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Were you not here last year when Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft was released? Or last week when Call of the Netherdeep was released? Any book that has giant light-devouring alien anglerfish, giant jellyfish that petrify anyone that touches their tentacles and use them as human shields, and giant cancerous psychic sharks definitely caters to "people over 12".
Unless the Saturday morning cartoons that you grew up with were actually horror movies, I feel that you're either very ignorant about new releases or going to extreme hyperbole over the recent releases of two books that cater towards younger audiences (Witchlight and Strixhaven).
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Sure, CotN, WBtW, S: CoC, FToD, and all that are niche. But that doesn't mean that no-one likes them, it just means WotC doesn't attend to the whims of [REDACTED] as much anymore. Sure, they still do to an extent (read: old and useless settings like Spelljammer returning), but it's actually good that they're going for a wider audience.
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I think you misunderstood me. I was dismissing the premise that WotC has/will only make "Kids D&D books" now that Rodney McNeeley was claiming.
Also, Spelljammer is an awesome campaign setting. It's definitely not "useless", it's the main way that people can travel from one D&D setting to another (from the Forgotten Realms to Exandria, Greyhawk, or Dragonlance, or vice versa), and is also the only D&D IN SPAAAAACE setting. A "useless" setting is one that would have no usage or role in the hobby, like one that's redundant with other existing settings (kind of like having both the Forgotten Realms and Greyhawk, as they're very similar). And a setting being "old" doesn't mean that it's inherently bad. Dark Sun, Ravenloft, Spelljammer, and Planescape are all older settings, but they're all awesome.
Please check out my homebrew, I would appreciate feedback:
Spells, Monsters, Subclasses, Races, Arcknight Class, Occultist Class, World, Enigmatic Esoterica forms
Gentlebeings! I have further hacked the system and have determined WotC has a leg up on that indy developer who is creating five different Powered by the Apocalypse TTRPGs based on Faith No More Albums (that's actually a real thing, there's a Kickstarter and Everything), and issue a level 8-20 adventure based around Metallica's album Master of Puppets. There will be a special retailer exclusive band crossover covers featuring Eddie from Iron Maiden and the Painkiller from the so-titled Judas Priest album ... and DMsGuild will have a supplement "Taken to the Lord at the Edge" that will provide stats for Eddie and the Painkiller and a bunch of other ghastlies taken from album art from the hey day of those listed plus Megadeath.
Beedle and Grimm will create a box out of this somehow but also update peoples game to include content inspired by the Doom metal of Electric Wizard and Earth.
My source also says they fired Crawford and got the guy behind MOrk Borg to run D&D now.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Actually I was agreeing with you.
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Well, either that or the Swedish Chef. It's one of those two, anyway...
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Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Strixhaven is aimed more at high school and college students than kids under 12.
You know, you both might be onto something with this revisionist history thing.
Rime of the Frost Maiden sorta left players who played the obelisks with a whole new open world to explore in the Forgotten Realms prehistory. From that position, the party could arguably change history. Maybe to do so, they must wrest some magic pearls from the powerful grip of the adventure's BBEG.
Good teamwork guys, exemplary collaboration and community team spirit.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Let's keep things on topic please
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Well, that is disappointing. I was really hoping for some Spelljammer.
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