I am beginning to agree that the development has stopped on the current tools i,e combat tracker encounter builder. I can only guess all development has switched to the one D&D launch.
It may be great when it happens, but really sad for now and will mean a pause at the very list in my subscription as a DM I really don't feel the value at the moment. It's like I'm paying to allow my players to have all the options. I want some tools for me is that too much to ask.
I kinda feel that if they've already stopped 5e features in order to start 1D&D stuff, then the playtests are misleading - game development would have to be further along than some of it would be useful for. Going superficially, I'd say that maybe they're surging the last of the 5e stuff that they're going to do in order to turn focus on 1D&D (plus the stuff that will work for both).
Or maybe I'm naive in my thinking and 1D&D stuff is further along than I thought, the playtests are more placebo than I'd like, and DDB have abandoned their ********et development.
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Based on the new and different bugs I've seen in the Bugs & Support Forum, they've been doing back-end system changes which are going off (mostly?) without a hitch. That's in keeping with their development plans to provide more support for current 5E functionality. I doubt they're abandoning the current toolset.
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Perhaps it is valid to consider not only why WotC bought DnDBeyond, but also why it was for sale in the first place. Perhaps the owners realized that a massive overhaul/newbuilding program was required to take the UX/tools requested/promised/required actually work, and did not see a way to fund such on the back of infrequent book sales. I've no idea on how many subscribers there are or how big a share of revenues that brings, that would factor in also
Maybe, although I think it's at least just as likely that either Hasbro gave them an excellent offer, they were strapped for cash, or it was always the game plan.
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Perhaps it is valid to consider not only why WotC bought DnDBeyond, but also why it was for sale in the first place.
At a guess, WotC came and said "We'd like to buy it" and Fandom responded with "Okay, let's talk". It's not like it was either particularly core to their business or entwined with their other products in a way that made it hard to separate.
Infrastructure rework takes time and doesn't show anything to the end users (ideally). No doubt this will be the status quo (i.e., no significant updates that are apparent to us) until spring/summer of next year.
WotC have a history of absorbing startups pertaining to their games. MtG is great (if not foreboding) example... Unfortunately, a lot of the things they buy up in this fashion often get abandoned and eventually shut down, but hopefully that wont happen here.
I certainly hope that all of the 5e material remains available after their transition.
What I would LOVE to see and what I think would be ideal would be that account holders... perhaps limited to paying members to make it worth it for them, would be able to select which edition they would like to access for their campaign etc. OneD&D, 5e and yes, even older editions. There is a huge amount of people still playing 3e & 3.5e and even older... 2e and 1e. It may be a pipe dream, but it would be the greatest thing!
WotC have a history of absorbing startups pertaining to their games. MtG is great (if not foreboding) example...
No it isn't. MtG was not an acquisition by Wizards, it was a game originally produced and marketed by them (at which point it was a startup; WotC was founded in 1990 and published MtG in 1993). Now, Hasbro does have some history of acquiring startups...
I certainly hope that all of the 5e material remains available after their transition.
What I would LOVE to see and what I think would be ideal would be that account holders... perhaps limited to paying members to make it worth it for them, would be able to select which edition they would like to access for their campaign etc. OneD&D, 5e and yes, even older editions. There is a huge amount of people still playing 3e & 3.5e and even older... 2e and 1e. It may be a pipe dream, but it would be the greatest thing!
I would say with about 99% certainty that they will not support older editions (1E-4E). What I suspect is 5E will be archived and available to view (at least what you already own and basic rules/SRD) but will not be altered, updated, in any way, once 1D&D is out.
I would say with about 99% certainty that they will not support older editions (1E-4E). What I suspect is 5E will be archived and available to view (at least what you already own and basic rules/SRD) but will not be altered, updated, in any way, once 1D&D is out.
They will not publish new 5e products, certainly, but if the changes are small enough the older products may continue to be offered.
I would say with about 99% certainty that they will not support older editions (1E-4E). What I suspect is 5E will be archived and available to view (at least what you already own and basic rules/SRD) but will not be altered, updated, in any way, once 1D&D is out.
They will not publish new 5e products, certainly, but if the changes are small enough the older products may continue to be offered.
You believe WotC will have both 5e and 1D&D products, like the PHB for example, for sale at the same time? Cray-cray! :-)
They'll do the Monsters of the Multiverse thing where they slap 'legacy' on the content you've purchased so its still useable and then take it off sale to force people to buy the 1D&D version.
Whenever you try to predict which route WotC will take, always assume it will be the option that means players and DM's will have to fork out more cash and you'll be right 99% of the time - they are a business at the end of the day.
They want people to buy 1D&D, not stick with using 5e. If people don't buy it and stick with playing 5e, they will make the upcoming VTT only work with 1D&D content or something like that. WotC gots to get paid!
You believe WotC will have both 5e and 1D&D products, like the PHB for example, for sale at the same time? Cray-cray! :-)
Oh, they'll certainly pull the 5e version of any book that has a 1D&D version, but for books they don't plan on revising for 1D&D (setting books are probably pretty low on their list of priorities, as are revising all but the most popular of adventures), if they're still usable, I don't see why they'd pull them.
You believe WotC will have both 5e and 1D&D products, like the PHB for example, for sale at the same time? Cray-cray! :-)
Oh, they'll certainly pull the 5e version of any book that has a 1D&D version, but for books they don't plan on revising for 1D&D (setting books are probably pretty low on their list of priorities, as are revising all but the most popular of adventures), if they're still usable, I don't see why they'd pull them.
I see your point. I guess they might leave certain books, outside the core 1D&D books and any 1D&D versions of the others, once printed, available and for sale. I think it depends on how they think of "backwards compatible" and if they will put out some guidelines on how to use 5E content with 1D&D. I've seen a few videos where youtubers are saying it already is NOT backwards compatible, like how bardic inspiration works, etc... I see it as, if you have a 5E bard and a 1D&D bard in a party the 5E bard uses their inspiration as written in 5E rules and the 1D&D bard will use it as a reaction (if it stays the same as the UA). Others see the new rules and say certain uses of bardic inspiration won't work with the new rules. As if they are required to use the new rules even if in conflict. So depending on how WotC sees it, they may not want too much conflicting versions and just pull any non-1D&D books for sale and just leave them available to view.
But I think you are probably right, if they can make money on it, they will.
I see your point. I guess they might leave certain books, outside the core 1D&D books and any 1D&D versions of the others, once printed, available and for sale. I think it depends on how they think of "backwards compatible" and if they will put out some guidelines on how to use 5E content with 1D&D. I've seen a few videos where youtubers are saying it already is NOT backwards compatible, like how bardic inspiration works, etc...
All we've seen so far is character options, and in fact it's pretty likely that character books from 5e won't be all that suitable for use with 1D&D. However, the same doesn't really apply to monsters and NPCs -- most monsters in adventures and setting books just reference core books, and while the remaining monsters and NPCs probably won't be built the same way as they would have been in 1D&D, it's not like the old write up will cause problems, any more than mixing writeups from VGM and MMM will cause problems.
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You believe WotC will have both 5e and 1D&D products, like the PHB for example, for sale at the same time? Cray-cray! :-)
Oh, they'll certainly pull the 5e version of any book that has a 1D&D version, but for books they don't plan on revising for 1D&D (setting books are probably pretty low on their list of priorities, as are revising all but the most popular of adventures), if they're still usable, I don't see why they'd pull them.
I don't think they'll pull full support. Obviously 5E stuff that has a 1DND equivalent will not be sold. There will be a point where you cant buy 5E materials. But most likely the 5E things that players already own will just get a legacy tag and still be available for use on accounts that have already purchased them.
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I am beginning to agree that the development has stopped on the current tools i,e combat tracker encounter builder. I can only guess all development has switched to the one D&D launch.
It may be great when it happens, but really sad for now and will mean a pause at the very list in my subscription as a DM I really don't feel the value at the moment. It's like I'm paying to allow my players to have all the options. I want some tools for me is that too much to ask.
I kinda feel that if they've already stopped 5e features in order to start 1D&D stuff, then the playtests are misleading - game development would have to be further along than some of it would be useful for. Going superficially, I'd say that maybe they're surging the last of the 5e stuff that they're going to do in order to turn focus on 1D&D (plus the stuff that will work for both).
Or maybe I'm naive in my thinking and 1D&D stuff is further along than I thought, the playtests are more placebo than I'd like, and DDB have abandoned their ********et development.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
Based on the new and different bugs I've seen in the Bugs & Support Forum, they've been doing back-end system changes which are going off (mostly?) without a hitch. That's in keeping with their development plans to provide more support for current 5E functionality. I doubt they're abandoning the current toolset.
Helpful rewriter of Japanese->English translation and delver into software codebases (she/e/they)
Perhaps it is valid to consider not only why WotC bought DnDBeyond, but also why it was for sale in the first place. Perhaps the owners realized that a massive overhaul/newbuilding program was required to take the UX/tools requested/promised/required actually work, and did not see a way to fund such on the back of infrequent book sales. I've no idea on how many subscribers there are or how big a share of revenues that brings, that would factor in also
Maybe, although I think it's at least just as likely that either Hasbro gave them an excellent offer, they were strapped for cash, or it was always the game plan.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
At a guess, WotC came and said "We'd like to buy it" and Fandom responded with "Okay, let's talk". It's not like it was either particularly core to their business or entwined with their other products in a way that made it hard to separate.
Infrastructure rework takes time and doesn't show anything to the end users (ideally). No doubt this will be the status quo (i.e., no significant updates that are apparent to us) until spring/summer of next year.
WotC have a history of absorbing startups pertaining to their games. MtG is great (if not foreboding) example... Unfortunately, a lot of the things they buy up in this fashion often get abandoned and eventually shut down, but hopefully that wont happen here.
I certainly hope that all of the 5e material remains available after their transition.
What I would LOVE to see and what I think would be ideal would be that account holders... perhaps limited to paying members to make it worth it for them, would be able to select which edition they would like to access for their campaign etc. OneD&D, 5e and yes, even older editions. There is a huge amount of people still playing 3e & 3.5e and even older... 2e and 1e. It may be a pipe dream, but it would be the greatest thing!
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No it isn't. MtG was not an acquisition by Wizards, it was a game originally produced and marketed by them (at which point it was a startup; WotC was founded in 1990 and published MtG in 1993). Now, Hasbro does have some history of acquiring startups...
I would say with about 99% certainty that they will not support older editions (1E-4E). What I suspect is 5E will be archived and available to view (at least what you already own and basic rules/SRD) but will not be altered, updated, in any way, once 1D&D is out.
EZD6 by DM Scotty
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/397599/EZD6-Core-Rulebook?
They will not publish new 5e products, certainly, but if the changes are small enough the older products may continue to be offered.
You believe WotC will have both 5e and 1D&D products, like the PHB for example, for sale at the same time? Cray-cray! :-)
They'll do the Monsters of the Multiverse thing where they slap 'legacy' on the content you've purchased so its still useable and then take it off sale to force people to buy the 1D&D version.
Whenever you try to predict which route WotC will take, always assume it will be the option that means players and DM's will have to fork out more cash and you'll be right 99% of the time - they are a business at the end of the day.
They want people to buy 1D&D, not stick with using 5e. If people don't buy it and stick with playing 5e, they will make the upcoming VTT only work with 1D&D content or something like that. WotC gots to get paid!
Oh, they'll certainly pull the 5e version of any book that has a 1D&D version, but for books they don't plan on revising for 1D&D (setting books are probably pretty low on their list of priorities, as are revising all but the most popular of adventures), if they're still usable, I don't see why they'd pull them.
I see your point. I guess they might leave certain books, outside the core 1D&D books and any 1D&D versions of the others, once printed, available and for sale. I think it depends on how they think of "backwards compatible" and if they will put out some guidelines on how to use 5E content with 1D&D. I've seen a few videos where youtubers are saying it already is NOT backwards compatible, like how bardic inspiration works, etc... I see it as, if you have a 5E bard and a 1D&D bard in a party the 5E bard uses their inspiration as written in 5E rules and the 1D&D bard will use it as a reaction (if it stays the same as the UA). Others see the new rules and say certain uses of bardic inspiration won't work with the new rules. As if they are required to use the new rules even if in conflict. So depending on how WotC sees it, they may not want too much conflicting versions and just pull any non-1D&D books for sale and just leave them available to view.
But I think you are probably right, if they can make money on it, they will.
EZD6 by DM Scotty
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/397599/EZD6-Core-Rulebook?
All we've seen so far is character options, and in fact it's pretty likely that character books from 5e won't be all that suitable for use with 1D&D. However, the same doesn't really apply to monsters and NPCs -- most monsters in adventures and setting books just reference core books, and while the remaining monsters and NPCs probably won't be built the same way as they would have been in 1D&D, it's not like the old write up will cause problems, any more than mixing writeups from VGM and MMM will cause problems.
What do you mean by "character books"?
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Books that are mostly about options for creating characters -- PHB, XgtE, TCoE.
I don't think they'll pull full support. Obviously 5E stuff that has a 1DND equivalent will not be sold. There will be a point where you cant buy 5E materials. But most likely the 5E things that players already own will just get a legacy tag and still be available for use on accounts that have already purchased them.