Hello everyone, I'm sorry if I wrote this message in the wrong forum but it's the first post I've made and I don't know exactly where it should be written.
The question is this: GoS reports the statistics for some boats, let's take for example the "Sailing Ship"
Travel Pace 5 miles per hour (120 miles per day);
Speed (water) 45 ft.; 15 ft. while sailing into the wind; 60 ft. while sailing with the wind.
First of all, how should the entry "Speed (water)" be interpreted?
Secondly these speeds do not correspond to the "Travel Pace" when calculated with the rules reported in the DMG where the hourly speed of a vehicle should be (in miles) 1/10 of its base speed (in feet), so I would expect a base speed (Speed (water)?) of 50 ft. or a cruising speed (Travel Pace) of 4.5, 1.5 and 6.0 miles per hour.
Travel pace is daily travel it assumes you don't stop sailing/rowing during the 24 hours in the day. So that is how far you can go. Speed water is slightly stupid sounding but it is the speed you use during the encounter. Now Encounter distance is up to the DM. And little to none research was done to check against actual nuclear wessels. Um real life ships.
Travel pace is daily travel it assumes you don't stop sailing/rowing during the 24 hours in the day. So that is how far you can go. Speed water is slightly stupid sounding but it is the speed you use during the encounter. Now Encounter distance is up to the DM. And little to none research was done to check against actual nuclear wessels. Um real life ships.
Ok but the "Speed (water)" is the equivalent of the Speed of the characters and should represent the (maximum) distance traveled in a round and the DMG reports:
When a creature is traveling with a flying speed or with a speed granted by magic, an engine, or a natural force (such as wind or a water current), translate that speed into travel rates using the following rules:
In 1 minute, you can move a number of feet equal to your speed times 10.
In 1 hour, you can move a number of miles equal to your speed divided by 10.
This is why I said that the "Travel pace" and the "Speed (water)" do not seem to agree, also because the Travel pace of a course against the wind cannot be equivalent to that of a course with a tailwind (according to the values for the encounter would range from 36 miles/day to 144 miles/day because wind is the only driving force it has so it is not negligible whether it is sailing headwind or tailwind).
However, taking for granted that Speed (water) is the speed of the encounter, it is not clear to me what the uncommented value corresponds to (in this specific case that 45 ft.) since it is not the average value of the other two speeds (60 and 15 ft.) and that the only driving force of that type of vessel is the wind.
50 is 45 divided by 10 then rounded up, which is a much nicer figure to work with (5mph and 120m/day versus 4.5mph and 108m/day). I wouldn't read too much into that discrepancy beyond expediency.
I imagine the 45ft is the speed when it travels neither with the wind nor against it. Sailing ships can travel in any direction but directly into the wind (which they can do indirectly by tacking), assuming they're not becalmed. Obviously, the speeds have been simplified to make it easier, but that would be the logical conclusion as to why there are three speeds.
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I think that is the reaching speed. Any navy or sailboat people here? And you are expecting too much research and correct math for the book.
Basically I don't expect an encyclopedia volume but that at least the elementary calculations are correct (multiplying and dividing by 10 is not very complicated, I think), otherwise they just create confusion (for those who should read them with a minimum of attention). IMHO
50 is 45 divided by 10 then rounded up, which is a much nicer figure to work with (5mph and 120m/day versus 4.5mph and 108m/day). I wouldn't read too much into that discrepancy beyond expediency.
I imagine the 45ft is the speed when it travels neither with the wind nor against it. Sailing ships can travel in any direction but directly into the wind (which they can do indirectly by tacking), assuming they're not becalmed. Obviously, the speeds have been simplified to make it easier, but that would be the logical conclusion as to why there are three speeds.
I recognize that "round" numbers are more attractive but, in the end, we are talking about speeds, so it would have made more sense (in my opinion) to start from the speeds in feet to calculate the distances covered in an hour and keep them consistent because, finally, the hourly speeds are used to make "approximate" calculations on long journeys, while those in ft are more relevant because they are used during battles and say "you arrived on the morning of the third day of travel" (travelling at 120 m/d) rather than "arrive in the afternoon of the third day of travel" (travelling at 108 m/d) changes little.
As for the 45 ft speech, since it's not a nautical treatise, they could have calculated the speed starting from 5 mph and left 50 ft (again in my opinion). For the rest, I also agree on the fact that those 45 ft can represent those 5 mph, although the "when it travels neither with the wind nor against it" leaves me perplexed because it would mean having a crosswind and at that point I would have expected the average value (for simplicity).
In my opinion the "Travel pace" is wrong in any case because it does not consider the wind direction when, instead, it is fundamental as it has no other forms of locomotion and, in any case, those are the maximum speeds I believe (with wind close to calm I doubt that can do 5 mph).
Of course this all becomes relevant when the travel is relevant or if the adventure is aboard a ship.
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Hello everyone, I'm sorry if I wrote this message in the wrong forum but it's the first post I've made and I don't know exactly where it should be written.
The question is this: GoS reports the statistics for some boats, let's take for example the "Sailing Ship"
First of all, how should the entry "Speed (water)" be interpreted?
Secondly these speeds do not correspond to the "Travel Pace" when calculated with the rules reported in the DMG where the hourly speed of a vehicle should be (in miles) 1/10 of its base speed (in feet), so I would expect a base speed (Speed (water)?) of 50 ft. or a cruising speed (Travel Pace) of 4.5, 1.5 and 6.0 miles per hour.
Thanks to anyone who reads and/or replies.
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Travel pace is daily travel it assumes you don't stop sailing/rowing during the 24 hours in the day. So that is how far you can go. Speed water is slightly stupid sounding but it is the speed you use during the encounter. Now Encounter distance is up to the DM. And little to none research was done to check against actual nuclear wessels. Um real life ships.
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Ok but the "Speed (water)" is the equivalent of the Speed of the characters and should represent the (maximum) distance traveled in a round and the DMG reports:
When a creature is traveling with a flying speed or with a speed granted by magic, an engine, or a natural force (such as wind or a water current), translate that speed into travel rates using the following rules:
This is why I said that the "Travel pace" and the "Speed (water)" do not seem to agree, also because the Travel pace of a course against the wind cannot be equivalent to that of a course with a tailwind (according to the values for the encounter would range from 36 miles/day to 144 miles/day because wind is the only driving force it has so it is not negligible whether it is sailing headwind or tailwind).
However, taking for granted that Speed (water) is the speed of the encounter, it is not clear to me what the uncommented value corresponds to (in this specific case that 45 ft.) since it is not the average value of the other two speeds (60 and 15 ft.) and that the only driving force of that type of vessel is the wind.
I think that is the reaching speed. Any navy or sailboat people here? And you are expecting too much research and correct math for the book.
No Gaming is Better than Bad Gaming.
50 is 45 divided by 10 then rounded up, which is a much nicer figure to work with (5mph and 120m/day versus 4.5mph and 108m/day). I wouldn't read too much into that discrepancy beyond expediency.
I imagine the 45ft is the speed when it travels neither with the wind nor against it. Sailing ships can travel in any direction but directly into the wind (which they can do indirectly by tacking), assuming they're not becalmed. Obviously, the speeds have been simplified to make it easier, but that would be the logical conclusion as to why there are three speeds.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
Basically I don't expect an encyclopedia volume but that at least the elementary calculations are correct (multiplying and dividing by 10 is not very complicated, I think), otherwise they just create confusion (for those who should read them with a minimum of attention). IMHO
I recognize that "round" numbers are more attractive but, in the end, we are talking about speeds, so it would have made more sense (in my opinion) to start from the speeds in feet to calculate the distances covered in an hour and keep them consistent because, finally, the hourly speeds are used to make "approximate" calculations on long journeys, while those in ft are more relevant because they are used during battles and say "you arrived on the morning of the third day of travel" (travelling at 120 m/d) rather than "arrive in the afternoon of the third day of travel" (travelling at 108 m/d) changes little.
As for the 45 ft speech, since it's not a nautical treatise, they could have calculated the speed starting from 5 mph and left 50 ft (again in my opinion). For the rest, I also agree on the fact that those 45 ft can represent those 5 mph, although the "when it travels neither with the wind nor against it" leaves me perplexed because it would mean having a crosswind and at that point I would have expected the average value (for simplicity).
In my opinion the "Travel pace" is wrong in any case because it does not consider the wind direction when, instead, it is fundamental as it has no other forms of locomotion and, in any case, those are the maximum speeds I believe (with wind close to calm I doubt that can do 5 mph).
Of course this all becomes relevant when the travel is relevant or if the adventure is aboard a ship.