With the recent talk about how there aren't enough DMs, and about how DMs tend to buy more books then players, I'm curious how many of the people un-subbing are mostly DMs?
If the majority of unsubs are people who mostly DM, and if the subscribers left over are mostly players, I wonder if that means more for DDB's bottom line than if the split was more even?
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing) You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
My DM has all the books and I've mostly used them for our games, she has said she intends to end her subscription (though we will discuss it in our pregame chat). I only subbed to make more characters really. With her ending her subscription she'll be taking 8 players with her. My other DM is ending their subscription too, taking our group of 5 players with them and they run 2 other groups.
If they unsubbed, how do you expect them to answer this? A better question would be to ask those who stayed, why they did.
I can still post.
I had a master tier subscription. It was set to renew in 7 days. I had bought every single thing through Spelljammer, but stopped.
The blatant cashgrab on spelljammer stopped me from purchasing it here. Not a D&D Beyond thing, but a Wizards thing. Then the hadozee stuff happened. When Wizards officially bought D&D Beyond and all official communication about anything happening with the toolset stopped? I was planning on stopping my sub anyway because specifically of what wasn't being communicated. Probably didn't help that a lot of the team at the point Joe took over is gone too from a dev/engineering standpoint.
Then the OGL shit happens and that just solidified it.
I want to be clear in my personal stance. I work for a telecom and previously worked for Comcast. I'm not blind to the nature of a company needing to profit off content. I'm not blind to the rush of trying to secure content rights and revenue streams as traditional media is dying. I'm not blind to the fact that the barrier of entry for smaller groups to create massive successful content empires has exploded.
I'm also not blind to the fact that Wizards, in their correct wisdom, has done a piss poor job monetizing D&D and in its future has decided to do an even poorer job with how to rectify.
The money streams in D&D was never the books. It was always the accessories. The minis, the paints, the battle maps, dice, journals, plushies, etc. The things they never pounced on and left to everyone else for the most part. Trying to monetize content creators is some shady shit. Critical Role is a big example, and even with their leverage? I'm sure they have a 70/30 split contract with twitch for the content they produce. So now Wizards wants another split off the things they do? Why, because they "invented" roleplaying? All you're gonna do is push them BACK to Pathfinder.
So to summarize: Since Spelljammer, content being pushed out is worse. Communication from this website is worse(which honestly was a REALLY hard thing to make worse but goddamn Wizards you nailed it). The way you treat the community is worse. Now you want to make it harder for content creators to break big?
I am both a player and DM. My group and the other 3 groups in our local game shop that ran DnD games have all unsubbed. That's a total of 25-30-ish people gone. I hope this was worth it for WotC.
Both me and one of my other buddies dm and run different games I like being a player and a dm after this I'm already talking to my other dm buddy to make the switch to either something like path finder or even 40k.
I'm a GM I unsubbed I am willing to renew if they put out something similar to 1.0a that addresses their hateful content concerns and then entrusts that to an independent third party as the ORC has been. I would also accept just a "we touched the fire it was a bad idea response" and them just leaving the 1.0a in place as I don't believe their claimed motivations for wanting to change it are actually in good faith or addressing a problem that they couldn't do without interfering with the 1.0a. They just wanted more money and got burned.
My account was the community hub for our group's purchases because "if you want to run something in my game I need to own the book". My only hesitation in cancelling was the fact that with the master sub my players will lose access to books that they purchased to share with the group. I'm paid up for a few months though so we've got some time to wrap up the current games and find a new system for future games.
For context, I've been running regular weekly games for the past seven years. I was an active volunteer DM at my local game store before the pandemic and have introduced literally hundreds of people to their first game of Dungeons and Dragons. I'm also a moderator of an VTTRPG discord which was hosting around seven D&D games across multiple time zones until recently. When our players come back from their Christmas break, we'll be promoting different games.
Player - I bought pretty much all of the races/classes/spells/etc. & shared them with other players so my DMs wouldn't have to buy everything themselves.
Unsubscribed a few days ago bc this isn't the D&D that I fell in love with & I don't think I don't want to have anything to do with it with the course it's currently taking.
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Cancelled my Master Tier Subscription because of OGL 1.1
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With the recent talk about how there aren't enough DMs, and about how DMs tend to buy more books then players, I'm curious how many of the people un-subbing are mostly DMs?
If the majority of unsubs are people who mostly DM, and if the subscribers left over are mostly players, I wonder if that means more for DDB's bottom line than if the split was more even?
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing)
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
If they unsubbed, how do you expect them to answer this? A better question would be to ask those who stayed, why they did.
I am an experienced player (approximately 40 years) who is always looking for a group.
What do you mean? I unsubscribed and I answered.
Info, Inflow, Overload. Knowledge Black Hole Imminent!
Interesting. I assumed forum privs were tied to one's account. Guess not.
I am an experienced player (approximately 40 years) who is always looking for a group.
If I leave D&D, I will also take all 7 of my players with me.
My DM has all the books and I've mostly used them for our games, she has said she intends to end her subscription (though we will discuss it in our pregame chat). I only subbed to make more characters really. With her ending her subscription she'll be taking 8 players with her. My other DM is ending their subscription too, taking our group of 5 players with them and they run 2 other groups.
Answers are too specific, I cannot honestly answer as I am a DM and player (two different game weekly sessions)
I can still post.
I had a master tier subscription. It was set to renew in 7 days. I had bought every single thing through Spelljammer, but stopped.
The blatant cashgrab on spelljammer stopped me from purchasing it here. Not a D&D Beyond thing, but a Wizards thing. Then the hadozee stuff happened. When Wizards officially bought D&D Beyond and all official communication about anything happening with the toolset stopped? I was planning on stopping my sub anyway because specifically of what wasn't being communicated. Probably didn't help that a lot of the team at the point Joe took over is gone too from a dev/engineering standpoint.
Then the OGL shit happens and that just solidified it.
I want to be clear in my personal stance. I work for a telecom and previously worked for Comcast. I'm not blind to the nature of a company needing to profit off content. I'm not blind to the rush of trying to secure content rights and revenue streams as traditional media is dying. I'm not blind to the fact that the barrier of entry for smaller groups to create massive successful content empires has exploded.
I'm also not blind to the fact that Wizards, in their correct wisdom, has done a piss poor job monetizing D&D and in its future has decided to do an even poorer job with how to rectify.
The money streams in D&D was never the books. It was always the accessories. The minis, the paints, the battle maps, dice, journals, plushies, etc. The things they never pounced on and left to everyone else for the most part. Trying to monetize content creators is some shady shit. Critical Role is a big example, and even with their leverage? I'm sure they have a 70/30 split contract with twitch for the content they produce. So now Wizards wants another split off the things they do? Why, because they "invented" roleplaying? All you're gonna do is push them BACK to Pathfinder.
So to summarize:
Since Spelljammer, content being pushed out is worse. Communication from this website is worse(which honestly was a REALLY hard thing to make worse but goddamn Wizards you nailed it). The way you treat the community is worse. Now you want to make it harder for content creators to break big?
**** you.
I am both a player and DM. My group and the other 3 groups in our local game shop that ran DnD games have all unsubbed. That's a total of 25-30-ish people gone. I hope this was worth it for WotC.
I didn't sub yet bc i was waiting for the vtt, but I've now submitted the ticket to have my account cancelled.
So my posts will probably disappear soon too.
I'm a DM and a player, but I'm a player in two campaigns atm and only actvily DMing one at a time. But I originally subbed for those character slots.
uhh... both does not seem to be an option,
Both me and one of my other buddies dm and run different games I like being a player and a dm after this I'm already talking to my other dm buddy to make the switch to either something like path finder or even 40k.
I'm a GM I unsubbed I am willing to renew if they put out something similar to 1.0a that addresses their hateful content concerns and then entrusts that to an independent third party as the ORC has been. I would also accept just a "we touched the fire it was a bad idea response" and them just leaving the 1.0a in place as I don't believe their claimed motivations for wanting to change it are actually in good faith or addressing a problem that they couldn't do without interfering with the 1.0a. They just wanted more money and got burned.
I'm a DM and I unsubscribed yesterday.
My account was the community hub for our group's purchases because "if you want to run something in my game I need to own the book". My only hesitation in cancelling was the fact that with the master sub my players will lose access to books that they purchased to share with the group. I'm paid up for a few months though so we've got some time to wrap up the current games and find a new system for future games.
For context, I've been running regular weekly games for the past seven years. I was an active volunteer DM at my local game store before the pandemic and have introduced literally hundreds of people to their first game of Dungeons and Dragons. I'm also a moderator of an VTTRPG discord which was hosting around seven D&D games across multiple time zones until recently. When our players come back from their Christmas break, we'll be promoting different games.
It's documented information that DMs spend the money and the sub primarily allows you to share what you purchased.
Player - I bought pretty much all of the races/classes/spells/etc. & shared them with other players so my DMs wouldn't have to buy everything themselves.
Unsubscribed a few days ago bc this isn't the D&D that I fell in love with & I don't think I don't want to have anything to do with it with the course it's currently taking.
Cancelled my Master Tier Subscription because of OGL 1.1