It would be nice if the people who claim to be leaving would hurry up and do it, and stop cluttering up the forum with a dozen redundant threads about the same subject
Agreed. I had this same discussion in another thread. And I was the "unreasonable" one in the madness.
It would be nice if the people who claim to be leaving would hurry up and do it, and stop cluttering up the forum with a dozen redundant threads about the same subject
Who's forcing you to pay any attention?? Seems like that's the person you should be complaining about...
"Jay Cushing, a dungeon master based in New York who has played D&D for over a decade, believes that D&D’s “community of nerds” will find inventive ways to get past any proposed licensing.
They already have: sites like the now defunct Trove allowed users to download PDFs of old adventures for free, without compensating creators. “We are people who are not always using the correct avenues of content sharing, so nothing is going to stop people from making their own content,” Cushing said."
So, it is wrong for WotC to restrict use of their IP, but virtuous for others to get around copyrights on material WotC have, themselves published, for which they did pay creators?
Let me get this straight; you are talking about one guy who makes a modest amount of cash from being pro DM. He's not selling that material, he's using it to keep that old stuff alive and part of the game and community, which is vast thanks to the OGL. WoTC hasn't printed ANY of that stuff for decades. It's not affecting them at all, except that the people enjoying this WILL buy their core rule books. Thus keeping the game viable, alive, and with a great future.
Going after one guy's gross profits is ok with you?
From being a pro DM, and you figure WotC is going to spend the money to hunt all such people down and bring them to trial? They would lose money on each and every court case. There would not be enough money to gain to cover costs.
If you don't want to answer the question, fine. But to answer yours; try making a little comic book of Mickey Mouse ****ing Mini Mouse, then publish it. See how fast you end up in court. Mmk?
It would be nice if the people who claim to be leaving would hurry up and do it, and stop cluttering up the forum with a dozen redundant threads about the same subject
Careful what you wish for - angry customers are still customers. When they go quiet they are lost.
"Jay Cushing, a dungeon master based in New York who has played D&D for over a decade, believes that D&D’s “community of nerds” will find inventive ways to get past any proposed licensing.
They already have: sites like the now defunct Trove allowed users to download PDFs of old adventures for free, without compensating creators. “We are people who are not always using the correct avenues of content sharing, so nothing is going to stop people from making their own content,” Cushing said."
So, it is wrong for WotC to restrict use of their IP, but virtuous for others to get around copyrights on material WotC have, themselves published, for which they did pay creators?
I think, as the media tends to do, they chose this person to 'represent' our viewpoint specifically because his view is hard to defend. I wouldn't pirate a bunch of modules. I pay for what I use because I value the people that create that content. In fact, that's the entire reason this issue3 has me so incredibly angry. Because this will hurt a LOT of people who woke up one week told that their products couldn't be sold next week. The problem is simple: uncertainty makes it impossible for a small creator to stay in the marketplace when it could mean household bankruptcy fighting a huge corporation's legal attack dogs. And mid-size creators have similar problems but add to it that their profit margins, if hit with a 25% loss of gross, result in a loss.
TLDR: The guy they interviewed is not typical or representative of those that I agree with and I think you would be fairly hard pressed to find people who have been buying content on this site and paying for master tier subs who agree. And the latter group are the ones making a fuss here, based on conversations I've had.
Anyone can list anything using any tags, but any time a new movie comes out from Dreamworks or Lionsgate or Disney, they typically do a bot sweep about 3-4 months before and send out mass DMCA's to anyone using the tags that they decide are about their movie; you can even go on the Etsy forums and find times where they were too broad in their word usage for the tags and took down things like generic crystals for sale and other non-infringing stuff because they used the word in their tag or title and it got automatically taken down by the DMCA bot.
There's also usually a sweep about 4-6 months after the movie comes out, and then also if there's a DVD release - I'm pretty sure they just offload the protection of their IP to some legal firm that uses automated bot systems or something like that, because they happen by the thousands overnight - and also, they only ever seem to get the top sellers/items, so they are probably aggregating it against an Etsy ranking website or something like that because if you're just some wine mom selling a poorly made Mickey Mouse on a wine glass for 1.50 that's never going to sell, yeah they never get a DMCA takedown because they were never a threat of sale to begin with.
Then after the sweeps people list their items again / retag things - also, there's a TON of shops on Etsy that are less than scrupulous, I've had my own designs stolen and sold by Etsy people and no matter how many times I do a DMCA they just relist the item, I had one dude do that like 5 times in a row and eventually I just gave up because the item would get taken down for about a week and then be back up with new pictures/tags/titles. Just because things get taken down by DMCA doesn't mean that unscrupulous people will care, at this point it's basically a broad tool being used by mega corporations to over broadly protect their IP's and **** over smaller artists, because the reality is that you still have to pay a lot of money to defend your art against this person, and if that person is a corporation you're just going to lose because they can afford a fleet of lawyers to drag it out in court for ages.
Like, you're always going to be able to find infringing material on those sites because people can upload things every day. There are people running Etsy shops that are just dropsellers from India and China that are pretending to be 'real' people and sellers here in America, if you know what to look for you can spot it in the about section, or usually their address is somewhere international despite everything being made to look like they live in Ohio or whatever. They do not care how many strikes their Etsy shop gets with infringement because they're just going to open another site after this one gets taken down, if it ever does, which rarely ever happens anyway.
Lol, yea. I finally figured out I didn't even have a subscription; I was just using the free six-character storage. Duh. I blame Verdonis.
Those are rookie numbers, son
Hey, now. We all have to start somewhere.
J
Great Wyrm Moonstone Dungeon Master
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Who's forcing you to pay any attention?? Seems like that's the person you should be complaining about...
LMAO!! Apparently you're unfamiliar with Etsy...
"Life of the author plus 70 years"
Originally (in the US) it was 14 years after publication, and that was in the days of manual typesetting. (1790s)
Much of the extension of the copyright term in the U.S. can be laid directly at the feet of the Mouse House corporation.
Yeah people post thing on Etsy all the time; they also get swept up in big DMCA takedowns from bots sent by Disney. Trust me lol.
Careful what you wish for - angry customers are still customers. When they go quiet they are lost.
I think, as the media tends to do, they chose this person to 'represent' our viewpoint specifically because his view is hard to defend. I wouldn't pirate a bunch of modules. I pay for what I use because I value the people that create that content. In fact, that's the entire reason this issue3 has me so incredibly angry. Because this will hurt a LOT of people who woke up one week told that their products couldn't be sold next week. The problem is simple: uncertainty makes it impossible for a small creator to stay in the marketplace when it could mean household bankruptcy fighting a huge corporation's legal attack dogs. And mid-size creators have similar problems but add to it that their profit margins, if hit with a 25% loss of gross, result in a loss.
TLDR: The guy they interviewed is not typical or representative of those that I agree with and I think you would be fairly hard pressed to find people who have been buying content on this site and paying for master tier subs who agree. And the latter group are the ones making a fuss here, based on conversations I've had.
The fact that there is a metric crap ton of it on there at all times seems to refute this claim...
Anyone can list anything using any tags, but any time a new movie comes out from Dreamworks or Lionsgate or Disney, they typically do a bot sweep about 3-4 months before and send out mass DMCA's to anyone using the tags that they decide are about their movie; you can even go on the Etsy forums and find times where they were too broad in their word usage for the tags and took down things like generic crystals for sale and other non-infringing stuff because they used the word in their tag or title and it got automatically taken down by the DMCA bot.
There's also usually a sweep about 4-6 months after the movie comes out, and then also if there's a DVD release - I'm pretty sure they just offload the protection of their IP to some legal firm that uses automated bot systems or something like that, because they happen by the thousands overnight - and also, they only ever seem to get the top sellers/items, so they are probably aggregating it against an Etsy ranking website or something like that because if you're just some wine mom selling a poorly made Mickey Mouse on a wine glass for 1.50 that's never going to sell, yeah they never get a DMCA takedown because they were never a threat of sale to begin with.
Then after the sweeps people list their items again / retag things - also, there's a TON of shops on Etsy that are less than scrupulous, I've had my own designs stolen and sold by Etsy people and no matter how many times I do a DMCA they just relist the item, I had one dude do that like 5 times in a row and eventually I just gave up because the item would get taken down for about a week and then be back up with new pictures/tags/titles. Just because things get taken down by DMCA doesn't mean that unscrupulous people will care, at this point it's basically a broad tool being used by mega corporations to over broadly protect their IP's and **** over smaller artists, because the reality is that you still have to pay a lot of money to defend your art against this person, and if that person is a corporation you're just going to lose because they can afford a fleet of lawyers to drag it out in court for ages.
Like, you're always going to be able to find infringing material on those sites because people can upload things every day. There are people running Etsy shops that are just dropsellers from India and China that are pretending to be 'real' people and sellers here in America, if you know what to look for you can spot it in the about section, or usually their address is somewhere international despite everything being made to look like they live in Ohio or whatever. They do not care how many strikes their Etsy shop gets with infringement because they're just going to open another site after this one gets taken down, if it ever does, which rarely ever happens anyway.