Maybe they've confirmed this somewhere and I'm just out of the loop, but it seems to me the plan is to do away with the concept of discrete editions entirely. If this is true, they're not calling it "5.5e" because they'd then have to call the next update "5.75e", and then the next one "5.875e" and so on until the heat death of the universe. Much easier to just lightly update and reprint the rulebooks every so many years (I highly doubt they'll wait a decade for the next set) with no hard breaks between editions.
They basically said this in 2014. They wanted to get off the idea of editions.
^Wondering if its just the 3 books or the whole series they're updating. Its honestly fustrating from a financial stand point. Magic holds more value with age over d&d books.
So far, they've only said they're doing the core three. Any adventures or campaigns should still work fine with the new books. What it might mean for a Xanathar's subclass or a subclass from something like Fizban's or Bigby's remains to be seen.
They're not calling it 6e because it's supposed to be fully 5e compatible, but here's a follow on question: why do the updated rules still not have a real name? There's clearly established naming conventions for these kind of revised editions: they could be calling it Advanced 5e, they could be calling it 5.5e, but they're insistent on referring to the new content exclusively as the "2024 Core Rulebooks". Why?
Maybe they've confirmed this somewhere and I'm just out of the loop, but it seems to me the plan is to do away with the concept of discrete editions entirely. If this is true, they're not calling it "5.5e" because they'd then have to call the next update "5.75e", and then the next one "5.875e" and so on until the heat death of the universe. Much easier to just lightly update and reprint the rulebooks every so many years (I highly doubt they'll wait a decade for the next set) with no hard breaks between editions.
When they very first announced they were doing new editions last year they said exactly this. Crawford’s words were to the effect of “we‘re no longer thinking in terms of editions, it’s now all just One D&D”
Some of the players in my campaign literally cannot make their characters if using the 2024 PHB, because WotC decided they'd rather sell another book in the future for yet another $50 than actually include the subclass in the 2024 PHB.
I own all the 2014 hardcover books I need. The 2024 version can wait until approximately never.
I don’t think I’m buying these books. I might incorporate a few of the rules. The art that has come out thus far is atrocious. The orcs look like cowboys. In the company’s efforts to represent every conceivable subculture, they have oversaturated every product with pandering sycophancy. What remains is such a conglomerate of cultures that my suspension of disbelief is abused and the vibe of the product is chaotic and over reaching. Like the Vecna adventure, it is all over the place. I’m sure my comment will be deleted and any dissonance labeled some derogatory category. I’m currently exploring other game systems, but will likely continue playing D&D. Just very disappointed in the current regime.
It looks like all of the classes are getting power boosts. I’m not sure what adventures they could run-existing published material is already largely under tuned for even existing 5e characters. Have to look at it and see but possibly start 2024 players a level(or even 2) below published adventure recommendations.
It looks like all of the classes are getting power boosts. I’m not sure what adventures they could run-existing published material is already largely under tuned for even existing 5e characters. Have to look at it and see but possibly start 2024 players a level(or even 2) below published adventure recommendations.
The monsters are supposed to have gotten a tune up to to be more reflective of CR. Not saying they ran through the whole line before signing off the new MM, but I believe if you ran a present adventure with the MM stat blocks, it would be more tuned in line, or so the thinking hoped.
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Started playing 6 months ago (January). Bought the Core books, XGTE, TCOE, and all the class spellbook cards. So I'm easily a few hundred in the hole for this new hobby. In 2-3 months in corebook comes.
My 5e table hasn't talked about converting over. 1/2 our players including myself still learning 5e. Im definately excited to try 2024 rules. But Im curious how others feel... what's the word on the street? Will your tables be adapting new rules/and character builds upon release? Are you ignoring it and keeping on with just 5e?
Extra Question...Why isn't this called 6th edition?
Your situation is WotC's problem not yours. You made a solid investment in a game you currently enjoy, there's little reason for you to pick up the new stuff unless you have the disposable income and interest in doing so.
I've pre-ordered the new core books, mostly to support one of my FLGSes. I don't know, I might try it out sooner or later. Some games I play in have already imported One D&D concepts into the game, and there's been no headaches.
It's not called 6e, because for the most part in TTRPGs a new "edition" usually means a from the ground up rebuild of the system. They explicitly didn't want to do that. Games that have done this sometimes called it "revised" or "remastered." Pathfinder, ironically, has just done this recently; and has produced online documents on how to square up pre-existing content to align with the revised core books where needed. I'd like to think such a doc or reference will happen with D&D, since I think the "what I'm playing now doesn't exist in your core" is going to be reason a lot of existing players may not buy in. But I also don't think WotC thinks they're going to "recapture" all of 5e's player base with these books on release dates. The revision play is a longer game, a campaign if you will.
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The monsters are supposed to have gotten a tune up to to be more reflective of CR.
I suspect that means more consistent, not more powerful. If they do a balance pass, it will probably be in encounter building rules.
i hope these monsters have been rebalanced with the current classes/subclasses in mind as well as the new ones since a big selling point of the new PHB was it being backwards compatible
Like I wrote outside the snippet, other companies when these sorts of updates or refreshes occur do produce documents aligning or smoothing out the tensions between versions, we'll see if the design team here does so as well.
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Between today’s Paladin (net) nerf and the dumbing down of subclass progression to always start at 3rd level, there isn’t a single class that appeals to me in the 2024 PHB, so my answer is [REDACTED] never.
i hope these monsters have been rebalanced with the current classes/subclasses in mind as well as the new ones since a big selling point of the new PHB was it being backwards compatible
While CR 21+ could use some tweaks to be more competitive (there's a dire shortage of legitimate threats for tier 4 PCs), most of the work can be done by the encounter building rules.
Between today’s Paladin (net) nerf and the dumbing down of subclass progression to always start at 3rd level, there isn’t a single class that appeals to me in the 2024 PHB, so my answer is [REDACTED] never.
idk monk looked pretty solid so that might at least be useful in the book maybe the ranger? not like they can do much worse unless they just fully lock ranger into only using a bow which at this point wouldnt shock me.
After Listening to their sales spiel it appears that 2014 PCs will function adequately under 2024 rules but 2024 PC will have problems with the 2014 rules because of the changes. My suspicion is that going forward we can expect to see one new PC centered book each year that will continue to update some of the old subclasses and classes and probably add some new subclasses. further somethings like the weapon mastery, Level 1 casting for half casters and background feats can probably be surgically added to 2014 PCs without too much trouble
idk monk looked pretty solid so that might at least be useful in the book maybe the ranger? not like they can do much worse unless they just fully lock ranger into only using a bow which at this point wouldnt shock me.
Well it is a RANGE-r 😁 (try the veal)
But nah, no chance of that. Aragorn is still as much a template for the class as Legolas if not more, and he was predominantly melee. (To say nothing of Drizz't and Minsc.)
If I decide to switch to the 2024 books, it will be because I've found groups interested in playing 2024 D&D. Currently, nobody I play D&D with is interested in doing so, which leaves me with little incentive to buy them at this time. That may change, or it may not.
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If I decide to switch to the 2024 books, it will be because I've found groups interested in playing 2024 D&D. Currently, nobody I play D&D with is interested in doing so, which leaves me with little incentive to buy them at this time. That may change, or it may not.
Same here, without piecemeal very few if anyone I play with is going to buy whole books for the few things they want, nor will I buy the books for them because they want a few pieces of them. My collection both physical and digital is what brings people to the tables I play at, if it doesn't grow none of them will add to it. The new adventurers are going to be a hard no until bundle discounts stack with sales as was marketed when bought, and well after wizbro bought the site, it will also have to be in the store no contacting customer service for it.
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If I decide to switch to the 2024 books, it will be because I've found groups interested in playing 2024 D&D. Currently, nobody I play D&D with is interested in doing so, which leaves me with little incentive to buy them at this time. That may change, or it may not.
Yeah, I should amend my comment to say I already ordered the core more to support my FLGS with a purchase, but aside from curiosity I figure if I run D&D and any of the FLGSes I involve myself with, it wouldn't hurt to have the core of the edition the store will most likely have stocked. But I look at my current 5e collection, I feel it was not only a good run for the most part, but it still runs. Outside of the gamestores, when I run D&D I'm for the most the part the tables library. Most of the players I run those games for aren't likely to pick up new books without my encouragement, so I'll be likely sticking with what I got, with maybe a few rules like the INT skills rules added into for clarity going forward.
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They basically said this in 2014. They wanted to get off the idea of editions.
So far, they've only said they're doing the core three. Any adventures or campaigns should still work fine with the new books. What it might mean for a Xanathar's subclass or a subclass from something like Fizban's or Bigby's remains to be seen.
When they very first announced they were doing new editions last year they said exactly this. Crawford’s words were to the effect of “we‘re no longer thinking in terms of editions, it’s now all just One D&D”
so are they trying to make the rules and classes interchangeable or say hey you have to use this one instead?
Some of the players in my campaign literally cannot make their characters if using the 2024 PHB, because WotC decided they'd rather sell another book in the future for yet another $50 than actually include the subclass in the 2024 PHB.
I own all the 2014 hardcover books I need. The 2024 version can wait until approximately never.
I don’t think I’m buying these books. I might incorporate a few of the rules. The art that has come out thus far is atrocious. The orcs look like cowboys. In the company’s efforts to represent every conceivable subculture, they have oversaturated every product with pandering sycophancy. What remains is such a conglomerate of cultures that my suspension of disbelief is abused and the vibe of the product is chaotic and over reaching. Like the Vecna adventure, it is all over the place. I’m sure my comment will be deleted and any dissonance labeled some derogatory category. I’m currently exploring other game systems, but will likely continue playing D&D. Just very disappointed in the current regime.
You will be able to get all the info online if you are just looking for the crunch.
It looks like all of the classes are getting power boosts. I’m not sure what adventures they could run-existing published material is already largely under tuned for even existing 5e characters. Have to look at it and see but possibly start 2024 players a level(or even 2) below published adventure recommendations.
The monsters are supposed to have gotten a tune up to to be more reflective of CR. Not saying they ran through the whole line before signing off the new MM, but I believe if you ran a present adventure with the MM stat blocks, it would be more tuned in line, or so the thinking hoped.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Your situation is WotC's problem not yours. You made a solid investment in a game you currently enjoy, there's little reason for you to pick up the new stuff unless you have the disposable income and interest in doing so.
I've pre-ordered the new core books, mostly to support one of my FLGSes. I don't know, I might try it out sooner or later. Some games I play in have already imported One D&D concepts into the game, and there's been no headaches.
It's not called 6e, because for the most part in TTRPGs a new "edition" usually means a from the ground up rebuild of the system. They explicitly didn't want to do that. Games that have done this sometimes called it "revised" or "remastered." Pathfinder, ironically, has just done this recently; and has produced online documents on how to square up pre-existing content to align with the revised core books where needed. I'd like to think such a doc or reference will happen with D&D, since I think the "what I'm playing now doesn't exist in your core" is going to be reason a lot of existing players may not buy in. But I also don't think WotC thinks they're going to "recapture" all of 5e's player base with these books on release dates. The revision play is a longer game, a campaign if you will.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
I suspect that means more consistent, not more powerful. If they do a balance pass, it will probably be in encounter building rules.
i hope these monsters have been rebalanced with the current classes/subclasses in mind as well as the new ones since a big selling point of the new PHB was it being backwards compatible
Like I wrote outside the snippet, other companies when these sorts of updates or refreshes occur do produce documents aligning or smoothing out the tensions between versions, we'll see if the design team here does so as well.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Between today’s Paladin (net) nerf and the dumbing down of subclass progression to always start at 3rd level, there isn’t a single class that appeals to me in the 2024 PHB, so my answer is [REDACTED] never.
While CR 21+ could use some tweaks to be more competitive (there's a dire shortage of legitimate threats for tier 4 PCs), most of the work can be done by the encounter building rules.
idk monk looked pretty solid so that might at least be useful in the book maybe the ranger? not like they can do much worse unless they just fully lock ranger into only using a bow which at this point wouldnt shock me.
After Listening to their sales spiel it appears that 2014 PCs will function adequately under 2024 rules but 2024 PC will have problems with the 2014 rules because of the changes. My suspicion is that going forward we can expect to see one new PC centered book each year that will continue to update some of the old subclasses and classes and probably add some new subclasses. further somethings like the weapon mastery, Level 1 casting for half casters and background feats can probably be surgically added to 2014 PCs without too much trouble
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Well it is a RANGE-r 😁 (try the veal)
But nah, no chance of that. Aragorn is still as much a template for the class as Legolas if not more, and he was predominantly melee. (To say nothing of Drizz't and Minsc.)
If I decide to switch to the 2024 books, it will be because I've found groups interested in playing 2024 D&D. Currently, nobody I play D&D with is interested in doing so, which leaves me with little incentive to buy them at this time. That may change, or it may not.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Same here, without piecemeal very few if anyone I play with is going to buy whole books for the few things they want, nor will I buy the books for them because they want a few pieces of them. My collection both physical and digital is what brings people to the tables I play at, if it doesn't grow none of them will add to it. The new adventurers are going to be a hard no until bundle discounts stack with sales as was marketed when bought, and well after wizbro bought the site, it will also have to be in the store no contacting customer service for it.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Yeah, I should amend my comment to say I already ordered the core more to support my FLGS with a purchase, but aside from curiosity I figure if I run D&D and any of the FLGSes I involve myself with, it wouldn't hurt to have the core of the edition the store will most likely have stocked. But I look at my current 5e collection, I feel it was not only a good run for the most part, but it still runs. Outside of the gamestores, when I run D&D I'm for the most the part the tables library. Most of the players I run those games for aren't likely to pick up new books without my encouragement, so I'll be likely sticking with what I got, with maybe a few rules like the INT skills rules added into for clarity going forward.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.