You cant really call this 5.5E, because there is no significant changes to the 5E formula like there was between 3E and 3.5E.
Eh, it's on the same scale as AD&D 1e to 2e, 3e to 3.5e, or 4e to 4e Essentials. Which mostly demonstrates that naming conventions for D&D editions are incredibly inconsistent.
You cant really call this 5.5E, because there is no significant changes to the 5E formula like there was between 3E and 3.5E. Many have pointed this out earlier. Also, with WotC moving away from editions, this is more like a patch to the game--to use videogaming terms.
using FFXIV as an example,
We are currently on Patch 7.01 each major update gets a tenths column update.
If we use video game logic, and each rules supplement is a full patch and each adventure is a small patch
32 source books, and 39 adventures.
Since not all the source books would be considered a full patch, lets just take the important ones. (I copied and pasted from my inventory here on DnDB, sadly my reading glasses just got destroyed and I'm having difficulties reading ... using my phones camera to zoom to read.)
SWORD COAST ADVENTURER’S GUIDE
VOLO'S GUIDE TO MONSTERS
XANATHAR'S GUIDE TO EVERYTHING
WAYFINDER'S GUIDE TO EBERRON
GUILDMASTERS' GUIDE TO RAVNICA
TASHA’S CAULDRON OF EVERYTHING
FIZBAN'S TREASURY OF DRAGONS
STRIXHAVEN: A CURRICULUM OF CHAOS
SPELLJAMMER: ADVENTURES IN SPACE (I shouldn't count this, but it technically counts)
BIGBY PRESENTS: GLORY OF THE GIANTS
PLANESCAPE: ADVENTURES IN THE MULTIVERSE
THE BOOK OF MANY THINGS
so using video game patch logic. they had to start on 5.0.01 with Sword Coast, and Book of Many Things would be 5.0.12... the 2024 books would then be 5.1.00
The logic would be the build numbers ... your video games always have a build number, with builds 0.12.122 <- being beta and prior to launch, and 1.0.01 being after launch. Sometimes they toss letter codes in as well...
btw Microsoft does this as well... I'm on Win 11 22631.3880 <- crazy build number.
So yeah, this is why 5.24 and 5.5 seem logical for the community to call it.
The problem with 5.24 is that all the core rulebooks will not be out in 2024.
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Can you multiclass between the '14 and '24 versions? Like take a '24 Monk multiclassed with a '14 Moon Druid to make an absolutely broken character?
i don't see why not. 5.14 and 5.24 characters don't have any mechanical difference that makes them incompatible. They still use the same proficiency bonus progression.
The problem with 5.24 is that all the core rulebooks will not be out in 2024.
2024 Player's Handbook – 17 September 2024
2024 Dungeon Master's Guide – 12 November 2024
2024 Monster Manual – 18 February 2025
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The problem with 5.24 is that all the core rulebooks will not be out in 2024.
That’s not a problem at all. The Monster Manual, which is the only one not actually being published in 2024, is still explicitly and officially being referred to as the 2024 Monster Manual.
Can you multiclass between the '14 and '24 versions? Like take a '24 Monk multiclassed with a '14 Moon Druid to make an absolutely broken character?
i don't see why not. 5.14 and 5.24 characters don't have any mechanical differencethat makes them incompatible. They still use the same proficiency bonus progression.
This is just disingenuous. Half of the classes have been fundamentally changed (5 now get their subclasses at different levels, Warlocks and Monks have been pretty much completely reworked).
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You've highlighted the wrong part in a way that I think is more egregious that your same claims of disingenuity. What they said was (without selective highlighting)
5.14 and 5.24 characters don't have any mechanical difference that makes them incompatible.
They're not saying there are no mechanical differences
They are saying there are no mechanical differences that would make them incompatible from the specific perspective of multiclassing
I can say with some confidence (at least when it comes to the monk, wizard, and paladin classes) that this is factually true. There are no mechanical differences that'd make multiclassing a 2014 class with a 2024 class.
The problem with the "It's just a patch" argument is that you cannot pick and choose which version of a video game patch you play (at least not if you are playing with other players). No online video game allows players to play together on two different patch versions. In order to play, you have to update to the latest patch.
Can you multiclass between the '14 and '24 versions? Like take a '24 Monk multiclassed with a '14 Moon Druid to make an absolutely broken character?
i don't see why not. 5.14 and 5.24 characters don't have any mechanical differencethat makes them incompatible. They still use the same proficiency bonus progression.
This is just disingenuous. Half of the classes have been fundamentally changed (5 now get their subclasses at different levels, Warlocks and Monks have been pretty much completely reworked).
As already pointed out by Davyd. You bolded the wrong part. The 5.14 Monk and the 5.24 Monk are different. But there is no change in the mechanics that would make multiclassing incompatible. A mechanical change would be, for example, if they would remove the Proficiency Bonus progression in the 5.24 version for a skill point style progression. THEN it would be incompatible. The core mechanics and rules are not changed in that regard. You still add your proficiency bonus to stuff, the proficiency bonus is still calculated by total level not class level. DCs are still 8 + mod + PB.
As for what spells to use. I would say as a general advice: a 5.14 class uses the 5.14 spells, a 5.24 class uses the 5.24 spells. If you multiclass both you can still separate it that way if you like. Having a 5.14 Guidance and a 5.24 Guidance available (or any other updated spell) might even make for some interesting builds. Personally, i will probably switch most stuff to the 5.24 versions, as i like to play with the most up to date options.
Multiclassing a 2014 class into a 2024 class to gain access to two versions of the same spell would be really interesting and fun as a concept. Hmmmmmm
Multiclassing a 2014 class into a 2024 class to gain access to two versions of the same spell would be really interesting and fun as a concept. Hmmmmmm
Isn't that not allowed RAW? If it was, one could multiclass the same class for additional subclasses.
But that leads into an issue here.... are the 2024 versions really compatible with their 2014 counterparts?
Isn't that not allowed RAW? If it was, one could multiclass the same class for additional subclasses.
But that leads into an issue here.... are the 2024 versions really compatible with their 2014 counterparts?
I don't think he meant multiclassing the SAME class. It sounded more like 2014 class A + 2024 class B.
Not sure why it would have to be a 2014 class to have access to a 2014 spell, though... or else that is a lot less backwards compatible. Does a wizard have to check the copyright date on any 'wizard' spell they find a copy of, to see if they can understand it or not?
Multiclassing a 2014 class into a 2024 class to gain access to two versions of the same spell would be really interesting and fun as a concept. Hmmmmmm
Isn't that not allowed RAW? If it was, one could multiclass the same class for additional subclasses.
But that leads into an issue here.... are the 2024 versions really compatible with their 2014 counterparts?
We don't have the rules yet. but i would assume the general guideline would be "you can not multiclass to a class of the same name". Multiclassing between say 5.24 Monk and 5.14 Druid, might be possible.
Wait, didn't WotC say sub-classes go 5.14-->5.24 but cant go 5.14<--5.24? I've seen a couple of videos about that
It was said there will be guidelines to adopt 5.14 subclasses to 5.24 classes. And i imagine that quite easy: The stuff you get at 1st/2nd level, you instead gain at 3rd.
Guidelines the other way around are a bit more difficult, especially for Cleric, Sorcerer and Warlock who now get a lot more powerful features at 3rd level, which would be a nightmare to adopt to 1st level. Not the least to prevent subclass dipping.
Isn't that not allowed RAW? If it was, one could multiclass the same class for additional subclasses.
But that leads into an issue here.... are the 2024 versions really compatible with their 2014 counterparts?
I don't think he meant multiclassing the SAME class. It sounded more like 2014 class A + 2024 class B.
Not sure why it would have to be a 2014 class to have access to a 2014 spell, though... or else that is a lot less backwards compatible. Does a wizard have to check the copyright date on any 'wizard' spell they find a copy of, to see if they can understand it or not?
I did mean 2014 Class A into 2024 Class B and the notion operated under the assumption/simplification of "2014 phb classes use 2014 phb spells and 2024 phb classes use 2024 phb spells" which may very well not be the case. This wasn't that deep, just a fun little musing of turning the overlap of options into something entertaining.
Wait, didn't WotC say sub-classes go 5.14-->5.24 but cant go 5.14<--5.24? I've seen a couple of videos about that
"How to use 2014 subclasses in a 2024 campaign" and "how to use 2024 subclasses in a 2014 campaign" are logically distinct rules. There's no reason Wizards couldn't put out both rules... but I'm not sure why they'd want to, as the main point of the "how to use 2014 subclasses" rule is really "how to use subclasses that have not yet been reprinted for the 2024 rules".
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Eh, it's on the same scale as AD&D 1e to 2e, 3e to 3.5e, or 4e to 4e Essentials. Which mostly demonstrates that naming conventions for D&D editions are incredibly inconsistent.
using FFXIV as an example,
We are currently on Patch 7.01 each major update gets a tenths column update.
ie 2.0, 2.1, 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.5 .... 7.0, 7.01
If we use video game logic, and each rules supplement is a full patch and each adventure is a small patch
32 source books, and 39 adventures.
Since not all the source books would be considered a full patch, lets just take the important ones. (I copied and pasted from my inventory here on DnDB, sadly my reading glasses just got destroyed and I'm having difficulties reading ... using my phones camera to zoom to read.)
so using video game patch logic. they had to start on 5.0.01 with Sword Coast, and Book of Many Things would be 5.0.12... the 2024 books would then be 5.1.00
The logic would be the build numbers ... your video games always have a build number, with builds 0.12.122 <- being beta and prior to launch, and 1.0.01 being after launch. Sometimes they toss letter codes in as well...
btw Microsoft does this as well... I'm on Win 11 22631.3880 <- crazy build number.
So yeah, this is why 5.24 and 5.5 seem logical for the community to call it.
The problem with 5.24 is that all the core rulebooks will not be out in 2024.
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Two out of three ain’t bad.
40 of 94 votes are for 5.5 so I think no matter what wotc insists most fans call it 5-24 or 5.5
The first one will be, an that is the most important one that all others will be based on.
i don't see why not. 5.14 and 5.24 characters don't have any mechanical difference that makes them incompatible. They still use the same proficiency bonus progression.
2024 Player's Handbook – 17 September 2024
2024 Dungeon Master's Guide – 12 November 2024
2024 Monster Manual – 18 February 2025
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That’s not a problem at all. The Monster Manual, which is the only one not actually being published in 2024, is still explicitly and officially being referred to as the 2024 Monster Manual.
You've highlighted the wrong part in a way that I think is more egregious that your same claims of disingenuity. What they said was (without selective highlighting)
They're not saying there are no mechanical differences
They are saying there are no mechanical differences that would make them incompatible from the specific perspective of multiclassing
I can say with some confidence (at least when it comes to the monk, wizard, and paladin classes) that this is factually true. There are no mechanical differences that'd make multiclassing a 2014 class with a 2024 class.
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As already pointed out by Davyd. You bolded the wrong part. The 5.14 Monk and the 5.24 Monk are different. But there is no change in the mechanics that would make multiclassing incompatible. A mechanical change would be, for example, if they would remove the Proficiency Bonus progression in the 5.24 version for a skill point style progression. THEN it would be incompatible. The core mechanics and rules are not changed in that regard. You still add your proficiency bonus to stuff, the proficiency bonus is still calculated by total level not class level. DCs are still 8 + mod + PB.
As for what spells to use. I would say as a general advice: a 5.14 class uses the 5.14 spells, a 5.24 class uses the 5.24 spells. If you multiclass both you can still separate it that way if you like. Having a 5.14 Guidance and a 5.24 Guidance available (or any other updated spell) might even make for some interesting builds. Personally, i will probably switch most stuff to the 5.24 versions, as i like to play with the most up to date options.
Multiclassing a 2014 class into a 2024 class to gain access to two versions of the same spell would be really interesting and fun as a concept. Hmmmmmm
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Isn't that not allowed RAW? If it was, one could multiclass the same class for additional subclasses.
But that leads into an issue here.... are the 2024 versions really compatible with their 2014 counterparts?
I don't think he meant multiclassing the SAME class. It sounded more like 2014 class A + 2024 class B.
Not sure why it would have to be a 2014 class to have access to a 2014 spell, though... or else that is a lot less backwards compatible. Does a wizard have to check the copyright date on any 'wizard' spell they find a copy of, to see if they can understand it or not?
We don't have the rules yet. but i would assume the general guideline would be "you can not multiclass to a class of the same name". Multiclassing between say 5.24 Monk and 5.14 Druid, might be possible.
Wait, didn't WotC say sub-classes go 5.14-->5.24 but cant go 5.14<--5.24? I've seen a couple of videos about that
It was said there will be guidelines to adopt 5.14 subclasses to 5.24 classes. And i imagine that quite easy: The stuff you get at 1st/2nd level, you instead gain at 3rd.
Guidelines the other way around are a bit more difficult, especially for Cleric, Sorcerer and Warlock who now get a lot more powerful features at 3rd level, which would be a nightmare to adopt to 1st level. Not the least to prevent subclass dipping.
I did mean 2014 Class A into 2024 Class B and the notion operated under the assumption/simplification of "2014 phb classes use 2014 phb spells and 2024 phb classes use 2024 phb spells" which may very well not be the case. This wasn't that deep, just a fun little musing of turning the overlap of options into something entertaining.
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"How to use 2014 subclasses in a 2024 campaign" and "how to use 2024 subclasses in a 2014 campaign" are logically distinct rules. There's no reason Wizards couldn't put out both rules... but I'm not sure why they'd want to, as the main point of the "how to use 2014 subclasses" rule is really "how to use subclasses that have not yet been reprinted for the 2024 rules".