There’s pretty much nothing on the character sheet side that comes to mind with the update that is anything other than an alternative set of features, so there’s no reason any existing content should break.
Given what we know about the difficulty of adding new classes (as in, they don't allow it, apparently because it's difficult to implement), and the fact that new species and backgrounds work a lot differently from old races and backgrounds (which isn't really an area that saw much customization before), they almost certainly would need some sort of toggle to indicate ruleset in use. However, given just how much of the site would break (for example, all old characters) I would expect them to do that.
That’s honestly weird, considering the PHB has spells not included in public domain content like the Basic Rules and if they’re retaining the 2014 entries it doesn’t seem difficult to demarcate between the two the same way Legacy is already applied. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how it plays out.
That’s honestly weird, considering the PHB has spells not included in public domain content like the Basic Rules and if they’re retaining the 2014 entries it doesn’t seem difficult to demarcate between the two the same way Legacy is already applied. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how it plays out.
It says "tech limitation" to me.
They already have a tags system for spells and items. It would take all of 5 minutes to bulk add a 2014 tag to each spell/item in their database, and like a day or two of work for any decent developer to add a toggle/search option in the character sheet.
This is 100% a decision from execs looking after the bottom line
That’s honestly weird, considering the PHB has spells not included in public domain content like the Basic Rules and if they’re retaining the 2014 entries it doesn’t seem difficult to demarcate between the two the same way Legacy is already applied. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how it plays out.
It says "tech limitation" to me.
They already have a tags system for spells and items. It would take all of 5 minutes to bulk add a 2014 tag to each spell/item in their database, and like a day or two of work for any decent developer to add a toggle/search option in the character sheet.
This is 100% a decision from execs looking after the bottom line
How does giving people without the new books access to the revised spells and items make them more money?
If it's so easy to do, there's got to be a reason why they didn't. Most likely, either they can't, or they think it has bad effects on people's games to be potentially using two different sets of spells and items. Could there be some other reason? It's possible, but the site's backend seems to be brittle and limited enough that I think tech is the way to bet.
That’s honestly weird, considering the PHB has spells not included in public domain content like the Basic Rules and if they’re retaining the 2014 entries it doesn’t seem difficult to demarcate between the two the same way Legacy is already applied. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how it plays out.
It says "tech limitation" to me.
They already have a tags system for spells and items. It would take all of 5 minutes to bulk add a 2014 tag to each spell/item in their database, and like a day or two of work for any decent developer to add a toggle/search option in the character sheet.
This is 100% a decision from execs looking after the bottom line
How does giving people without the new books access to the revised spells and items make them more money?
If it's so easy to do, there's got to be a reason why they didn't. Most likely, either they can't, or they think it has bad effects on people's games to be potentially using two different sets of spells and items. Could there be some other reason? It's possible, but the site's backend seems to be brittle and limited enough that I think tech is the way to bet.
How does taking away spells people already bought make people want to spend money on the new books? Homebrew tools are far from intuitive to use, and for those that don't want to learn how, or buy the new books they are left without. If they start removing things from the creation tools per the change log as a "fix" for their short sightedness, people will complain.
That’s honestly weird, considering the PHB has spells not included in public domain content like the Basic Rules and if they’re retaining the 2014 entries it doesn’t seem difficult to demarcate between the two the same way Legacy is already applied. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how it plays out.
It says "tech limitation" to me.
They already have a tags system for spells and items. It would take all of 5 minutes to bulk add a 2014 tag to each spell/item in their database, and like a day or two of work for any decent developer to add a toggle/search option in the character sheet.
This is 100% a decision from execs looking after the bottom line
How does giving people without the new books access to the revised spells and items make them more money?
If it's so easy to do, there's got to be a reason why they didn't. Most likely, either they can't, or they think it has bad effects on people's games to be potentially using two different sets of spells and items. Could there be some other reason? It's possible, but the site's backend seems to be brittle and limited enough that I think tech is the way to bet.
Because it forces everyone using dndbeyond to use 2024 rules, spells and items, which means dndbeyond can no longer be used if you still want the full 2014 experience. And therefore it eventually pushes anyone who wants to use dndbeyond (because it is genuinely a very good tool) to only play 2024 and therefore buy the new books. Essentially it rules out dndbeyond as a tool for full 2014 play without a lot of effort put in
That’s honestly weird, considering the PHB has spells not included in public domain content like the Basic Rules and if they’re retaining the 2014 entries it doesn’t seem difficult to demarcate between the two the same way Legacy is already applied. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how it plays out.
It says "tech limitation" to me.
They already have a tags system for spells and items. It would take all of 5 minutes to bulk add a 2014 tag to each spell/item in their database, and like a day or two of work for any decent developer to add a toggle/search option in the character sheet.
This is 100% a decision from execs looking after the bottom line
How does giving people without the new books access to the revised spells and items make them more money?
If it's so easy to do, there's got to be a reason why they didn't. Most likely, either they can't, or they think it has bad effects on people's games to be potentially using two different sets of spells and items. Could there be some other reason? It's possible, but the site's backend seems to be brittle and limited enough that I think tech is the way to bet.
Because it forces everyone using dndbeyond to use 2024 rules, spells and items, which means dndbeyond can no longer be used if you still want the full 2014 experience. And therefore it eventually pushes anyone who wants to use dndbeyond (because it is genuinely a very good tool) to only play 2024 and therefore buy the new books. Essentially it rules out dndbeyond as a tool for full 2014 play without a lot of effort put in
Except if it's automatically subbing in then you're not forced to buy additional content, you can just make do with the new spells; there's only a few that are changed enough to seriously alter the experience, and most of them are more text-based than rolling-based, so the utility offered for them is very limited in the first place. And suddenly popping up $30 paygates is more likely to make people rage quit the site altogether rather than spend the money if they haven't already, so I have trouble believing that's their plan.
That’s honestly weird, considering the PHB has spells not included in public domain content like the Basic Rules and if they’re retaining the 2014 entries it doesn’t seem difficult to demarcate between the two the same way Legacy is already applied. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how it plays out.
It says "tech limitation" to me.
They already have a tags system for spells and items. It would take all of 5 minutes to bulk add a 2014 tag to each spell/item in their database, and like a day or two of work for any decent developer to add a toggle/search option in the character sheet.
This is 100% a decision from execs looking after the bottom line
How does giving people without the new books access to the revised spells and items make them more money?
If it's so easy to do, there's got to be a reason why they didn't. Most likely, either they can't, or they think it has bad effects on people's games to be potentially using two different sets of spells and items. Could there be some other reason? It's possible, but the site's backend seems to be brittle and limited enough that I think tech is the way to bet.
Because it forces everyone using dndbeyond to use 2024 rules, spells and items, which means dndbeyond can no longer be used if you still want the full 2014 experience. And therefore it eventually pushes anyone who wants to use dndbeyond (because it is genuinely a very good tool) to only play 2024 and therefore buy the new books. Essentially it rules out dndbeyond as a tool for full 2014 play without a lot of effort put in
Except if it's automatically subbing in then you're not forced to buy additional content, you can just make do with the new spells; there's only a few that are changed enough to seriously alter the experience, and most of them are more text-based than rolling-based, so the utility offered for them is very limited in the first place. And suddenly popping up $30 paygates is more likely to make people rage quit the site altogether rather than spend the money if they haven't already, so I have trouble believing that's their plan.
Where does it say they are subbing the new spells if you do not buy or get them through content sharing the new books? Either in actual wording, or insinuating they will? If they did I missed it and need to fix some recent posts. Any guidance on where to find this is appreciated.
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That’s honestly weird, considering the PHB has spells not included in public domain content like the Basic Rules and if they’re retaining the 2014 entries it doesn’t seem difficult to demarcate between the two the same way Legacy is already applied. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how it plays out.
It says "tech limitation" to me.
They already have a tags system for spells and items. It would take all of 5 minutes to bulk add a 2014 tag to each spell/item in their database, and like a day or two of work for any decent developer to add a toggle/search option in the character sheet.
This is 100% a decision from execs looking after the bottom line
How does giving people without the new books access to the revised spells and items make them more money?
If it's so easy to do, there's got to be a reason why they didn't. Most likely, either they can't, or they think it has bad effects on people's games to be potentially using two different sets of spells and items. Could there be some other reason? It's possible, but the site's backend seems to be brittle and limited enough that I think tech is the way to bet.
Because it forces everyone using dndbeyond to use 2024 rules, spells and items, which means dndbeyond can no longer be used if you still want the full 2014 experience. And therefore it eventually pushes anyone who wants to use dndbeyond (because it is genuinely a very good tool) to only play 2024 and therefore buy the new books. Essentially it rules out dndbeyond as a tool for full 2014 play without a lot of effort put in
Except if it's automatically subbing in then you're not forced to buy additional content, you can just make do with the new spells; there's only a few that are changed enough to seriously alter the experience, and most of them are more text-based than rolling-based, so the utility offered for them is very limited in the first place. And suddenly popping up $30 paygates is more likely to make people rage quit the site altogether rather than spend the money if they haven't already, so I have trouble believing that's their plan.
Where does it say they are subbing the new spells if you do not buy or get them through content sharing the new books? Either in actual wording, or insinuating they will? If they did I missed it and need to fix some recent posts. Any guidance on where to find this is appreciated.
I took a look at the changelog and here's the relevant portions I found:
Your character has Healing Word prepared and you want to cast the spell. When you click on the spell on your character sheet, you will see the new version of Healing Word. However, you can still find the old version of Healing Word in your copy of the Basic Rules and the 2014 Player’s Handbook in the compendium.
Unlike with content such as classes or races, there's no mention of an ability to control whether you're using the 2014 or 2024 version of the spell via the character sheet tools.
And then here:
If you wish to use the old version of a magic item or spell that has been replaced by its 2024 counterpart, you will need to create a homebrew copy of it and enable homebrew content on your character sheet. Then, you can add it to your character sheet.
They don't quite spell it out, but the implication seems clear that they intend to simply override the existing spells that are being updated in the new PHB, insofar as character sheet options will function. Like I said, I have some trouble wrapping my head around it since they portioned off a good block of spells from the Basic Rules in the initial PHB, and this implies they're instead handing all that content out to anyone who already owns a copy of the 2014 PHB (or DMG, once that releases). As I previously said, making a paygate for the full price of the book suddenly pop up for everyone who hasn't bought the new PHB seems like a good way to alienate a major portion of the users and- despite the hyperbole some people will trot out- that would be rather out of keeping with all of their past conduct regarding updated content. And I really don't see how it's that hard to apply Legacy to spells and magic items the same way they will for the rest of the content. I dunno; I can't really see how else this is supposed to function going by what they've said, but it's a very bizarre decision to me that when nothing about this update should alter the basic way spells work on the sheet they can't simply segregate the 2014 and 2024 content in a way that allows people to pick and choose, given that they put the legwork in to make 2014 subclasses play nice with 2024 classes.
That’s honestly weird, considering the PHB has spells not included in public domain content like the Basic Rules and if they’re retaining the 2014 entries it doesn’t seem difficult to demarcate between the two the same way Legacy is already applied. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how it plays out.
It says "tech limitation" to me.
They already have a tags system for spells and items. It would take all of 5 minutes to bulk add a 2014 tag to each spell/item in their database, and like a day or two of work for any decent developer to add a toggle/search option in the character sheet.
This is 100% a decision from execs looking after the bottom line
How does giving people without the new books access to the revised spells and items make them more money?
If it's so easy to do, there's got to be a reason why they didn't. Most likely, either they can't, or they think it has bad effects on people's games to be potentially using two different sets of spells and items. Could there be some other reason? It's possible, but the site's backend seems to be brittle and limited enough that I think tech is the way to bet.
Because it forces everyone using dndbeyond to use 2024 rules, spells and items, which means dndbeyond can no longer be used if you still want the full 2014 experience. And therefore it eventually pushes anyone who wants to use dndbeyond (because it is genuinely a very good tool) to only play 2024 and therefore buy the new books. Essentially it rules out dndbeyond as a tool for full 2014 play without a lot of effort put in
Except if it's automatically subbing in then you're not forced to buy additional content, you can just make do with the new spells; there's only a few that are changed enough to seriously alter the experience, and most of them are more text-based than rolling-based, so the utility offered for them is very limited in the first place. And suddenly popping up $30 paygates is more likely to make people rage quit the site altogether rather than spend the money if they haven't already, so I have trouble believing that's their plan.
Where does it say they are subbing the new spells if you do not buy or get them through content sharing the new books? Either in actual wording, or insinuating they will? If they did I missed it and need to fix some recent posts. Any guidance on where to find this is appreciated.
I took a look at the changelog and here's the relevant portions I found:
Your character has Healing Word prepared and you want to cast the spell. When you click on the spell on your character sheet, you will see the new version of Healing Word. However, you can still find the old version of Healing Word in your copy of the Basic Rules and the 2014 Player’s Handbook in the compendium.
Unlike with content such as classes or races, there's no mention of an ability to control whether you're using the 2014 or 2024 version of the spell via the character sheet tools.
And then here:
If you wish to use the old version of a magic item or spell that has been replaced by its 2024 counterpart, you will need to create a homebrew copy of it and enable homebrew content on your character sheet. Then, you can add it to your character sheet.
They don't quite spell it out, but the implication seems clear that they intend to simply override the existing spells that are being updated in the new PHB, insofar as character sheet options will function. Like I said, I have some trouble wrapping my head around it since they portioned off a good block of spells from the Basic Rules in the initial PHB, and this implies they're instead handing all that content out to anyone who already owns a copy of the 2014 PHB (or DMG, once that releases). As I previously said, making a paygate for the full price of the book suddenly pop up for everyone who hasn't bought the new PHB seems like a good way to alienate a major portion of the users and- despite the hyperbole some people will trot out- that would be rather out of keeping with all of their past conduct regarding updated content. And I really don't see how it's that hard to apply Legacy to spells and magic items the same way they will for the rest of the content. I dunno; I can't really see how else this is supposed to function going by what they've said, but it's a very bizarre decision to me that when nothing about this update should alter the basic way spells work on the sheet they can't simply segregate the 2014 and 2024 content in a way that allows people to pick and choose, given that they put the legwork in to make 2014 subclasses play nice with 2024 classes.
Thank you for the reply.
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Yes, I was just double checking I didn't miss something stated by wizbro as this site has this hand doesn't know what that hand is doing issues on occasion.
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It would be nice to have an option to toggle off content based on 2014 and 2024 rule sets. I don't want it be forced into offering 2024 content.
So don't buy any 2024 content. Until the SRD comes out in mid Feb, the only way anyone logically sees 2024 content being offered is if you actually buy it. Many people thinking their stuff will just get auto converted and it's silly because that'd be them giving it for free.
That's funny... because today we learned that's absolutely what's going to happen. It is being autoconverted.
Just wanted to chime in since I found this topic while researching the issue of using 2014 content in DDB with the 2024 version coming out. They seem to have changed their stance as of today and will keep supporting 2014 content, giving people access to both for new and existing characters https://www.dndbeyond.com/changelog#UpdatetheDDBeyondToolsetforthe2024CoreRulebooks
Please for the love of the gods, please let us have complete choice/control over which features we want to use from Legacy 2014 or new 2024 rules, items, character creation, etc. We're trying to edit existing characters and campaign items, and cannot make changes. So we've tried to make new character sheets... with Legacy turned on, we can't access New. We turn off Legacy, and New is missing boat loads of stuff, like magic items and equipment... and , and , and we still want to use certain things from Legacy. Why can't we use it all at once? *sobs*
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Given what we know about the difficulty of adding new classes (as in, they don't allow it, apparently because it's difficult to implement), and the fact that new species and backgrounds work a lot differently from old races and backgrounds (which isn't really an area that saw much customization before), they almost certainly would need some sort of toggle to indicate ruleset in use. However, given just how much of the site would break (for example, all old characters) I would expect them to do that.
It says "tech limitation" to me.
They already have a tags system for spells and items. It would take all of 5 minutes to bulk add a 2014 tag to each spell/item in their database, and like a day or two of work for any decent developer to add a toggle/search option in the character sheet.
This is 100% a decision from execs looking after the bottom line
How does giving people without the new books access to the revised spells and items make them more money?
If it's so easy to do, there's got to be a reason why they didn't. Most likely, either they can't, or they think it has bad effects on people's games to be potentially using two different sets of spells and items. Could there be some other reason? It's possible, but the site's backend seems to be brittle and limited enough that I think tech is the way to bet.
How does taking away spells people already bought make people want to spend money on the new books? Homebrew tools are far from intuitive to use, and for those that don't want to learn how, or buy the new books they are left without. If they start removing things from the creation tools per the change log as a "fix" for their short sightedness, people will complain.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Because it forces everyone using dndbeyond to use 2024 rules, spells and items, which means dndbeyond can no longer be used if you still want the full 2014 experience. And therefore it eventually pushes anyone who wants to use dndbeyond (because it is genuinely a very good tool) to only play 2024 and therefore buy the new books. Essentially it rules out dndbeyond as a tool for full 2014 play without a lot of effort put in
We can be sure it will change to accommodate the 2024 rules and mechanics only.
Except if it's automatically subbing in then you're not forced to buy additional content, you can just make do with the new spells; there's only a few that are changed enough to seriously alter the experience, and most of them are more text-based than rolling-based, so the utility offered for them is very limited in the first place. And suddenly popping up $30 paygates is more likely to make people rage quit the site altogether rather than spend the money if they haven't already, so I have trouble believing that's their plan.
Where does it say they are subbing the new spells if you do not buy or get them through content sharing the new books? Either in actual wording, or insinuating they will? If they did I missed it and need to fix some recent posts. Any guidance on where to find this is appreciated.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I took a look at the changelog and here's the relevant portions I found:
Unlike with content such as classes or races, there's no mention of an ability to control whether you're using the 2014 or 2024 version of the spell via the character sheet tools.
And then here:
They don't quite spell it out, but the implication seems clear that they intend to simply override the existing spells that are being updated in the new PHB, insofar as character sheet options will function. Like I said, I have some trouble wrapping my head around it since they portioned off a good block of spells from the Basic Rules in the initial PHB, and this implies they're instead handing all that content out to anyone who already owns a copy of the 2014 PHB (or DMG, once that releases). As I previously said, making a paygate for the full price of the book suddenly pop up for everyone who hasn't bought the new PHB seems like a good way to alienate a major portion of the users and- despite the hyperbole some people will trot out- that would be rather out of keeping with all of their past conduct regarding updated content. And I really don't see how it's that hard to apply Legacy to spells and magic items the same way they will for the rest of the content. I dunno; I can't really see how else this is supposed to function going by what they've said, but it's a very bizarre decision to me that when nothing about this update should alter the basic way spells work on the sheet they can't simply segregate the 2014 and 2024 content in a way that allows people to pick and choose, given that they put the legwork in to make 2014 subclasses play nice with 2024 classes.
Thank you for the reply.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
This answers all those questions:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/changelog#UpdatingtheDDBeyondToolsetforthe2024CoreRulebooks
Yes, I was just double checking I didn't miss something stated by wizbro as this site has this hand doesn't know what that hand is doing issues on occasion.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
That's funny... because today we learned that's absolutely what's going to happen. It is being autoconverted.
Just wanted to chime in since I found this topic while researching the issue of using 2014 content in DDB with the 2024 version coming out. They seem to have changed their stance as of today and will keep supporting 2014 content, giving people access to both for new and existing characters
https://www.dndbeyond.com/changelog#UpdatetheDDBeyondToolsetforthe2024CoreRulebooks
Please for the love of the gods, please let us have complete choice/control over which features we want to use from Legacy 2014 or new 2024 rules, items, character creation, etc. We're trying to edit existing characters and campaign items, and cannot make changes. So we've tried to make new character sheets... with Legacy turned on, we can't access New. We turn off Legacy, and New is missing boat loads of stuff, like magic items and equipment... and , and , and we still want to use certain things from Legacy. Why can't we use it all at once? *sobs*