It seems like there's been some errata incorporated for some of the new 2024 rules already!
Here's what I've seen so far (in no particular order):
Goliath Powerful Build feature: originally applied to saving throws but now applies to ability checks.
Poisoner feat: poison lasted "until you hit" but now it's "until you deal damage".
The Armor table now specifies that Shields require the Utilize action to don or doff.
Grappler feat: This now states you don't use extra movement rather than not having your speed halved.
Giant Insect: The statblock now correctly indicates that the insect receives +10 hit points per spell level about 4th. (Previously it was missing the "above 4th" part.)
Conjure Woodland Beings: The upcasting part now correctly indicates that the damage increases for ever spell slot level above 4th (previously it was 5th).
Telekinetic feat: The mage hand range limit has been fixed. Previously it just let you cast it up to 30 feet further away, but now they've added "and the distance it can be away from you" to the description.
True Polymorph: The spell no longer ends early if you run out of THP. (EDIT: Never mind, that sentence is now back!) However, it appears you can't talk no matter what form you're in.
Blindness/Deafness: This spell is incorrectly listed as being of the necromancy school in the free rules compendium entry. It should be transmutation as per the printed PHB and the full PHB compendium entry on DDB.
Anyone notice any other differences between the print and DDB versions of the 2024 rules?
True Polymorph removed the line about the spell ending if no temp HP is left
Cool. It has a separate issue, though, which is that it would appear you can't talk no matter what form you take. So if you use it to transform a human into an elf, they still can't talk. (In the 2014 version, the ability to talk was dependent on the new form.)
On my character sheets created more than a year before the release, I have weapon mastery properties. I didn't expect to see that.. it's not a big deal but I was thinking there would be a toggle on my sheet for 2014 and 2024. It seems like things are kind of mixed in between both versions now? Same with the actions, it's showing the 2024 PHB actions like Utilize.
Is there a way to make my character completely 2014 version? It's this way for all of the players in my DND campaign as well. I have content sharing on so we can all checkout the new book so I don't want to turn that off if I can help it...
It seems like there's been some errata incorporated for some of the new 2024 rules already!
Here's what I've seen so far (in no particular order):
Goliath Powerful Build feature: originally applied to saving throws but now applies to ability checks.
Poisoner feat: poison lasted "until you hit" but now it's "until you deal damage".
The Armor table now specifies that Shields require the Utilize action to don or doff.
Grappler feat: This now states you don't use extra movement rather than not having your speed halved.
Giant Insect: The statblock now correctly indicates that the insect receives +10 hit points per spell level about 4th. (Previously it was missing the "above 4th" part.)
Conjure Woodland Beings: The upcasting part now correctly indicates that the damage increases for ever spell slot level above 4th (previously it was 5th).
Telekinetic feat: The mage hand range limit has been fixed. Previously it just let you cast it up to 30 feet further away, but now they've added "and the distance it can be away from you" to the description.
True Polymorph: The spell no longer ends early if you run out of THP. However, it appears you can't talk no matter what form you're in.
In the print version of the 2024 PHB, the goliath's Powerful Build feature gave them advantage on saving throws to escape the Grappled condition, but on D&D Beyond, it says it gives them advantage on ability checks.
Also, the Poisoner feat says "until you hit" in the print book, but on DDB, it says "until until you deal damage" (sic).
Anyone notice any other differences between the print and DDB versions of the 2024 rules?
If true, then a lot of people may have spent their hard earned money on a physical book they are going to have to start doing a lot of strikethrough in.
Nerdy, mine was completely 2014, until I started playing around. Now it is mixed somewhat. Not that I care, because intend to make it fully 2024. Just won't be able to play in anyone's campaigns who stubbornly stays with 2014. 🤷🏿‍♂️
It seems like there's been some errata incorporated for some of the new 2024 rules already!
Here's what I've seen so far (in no particular order):
Goliath Powerful Build feature: originally applied to saving throws but now applies to ability checks.
Poisoner feat: poison lasted "until you hit" but now it's "until you deal damage".
The Armor table now specifies that Shields require the Utilize action to don or doff.
Grappler feat: This now states you don't use extra movement rather than not having your speed halved.
Giant Insect: The statblock now correctly indicates that the insect receives +10 hit points per spell level about 4th. (Previously it was missing the "above 4th" part.)
Conjure Woodland Beings: The upcasting part now correctly indicates that the damage increases for ever spell slot level above 4th (previously it was 5th).
Telekinetic feat: The mage hand range limit has been fixed. Previously it just let you cast it up to 30 feet further away, but now they've added "and the distance it can be away from you" to the description.
True Polymorph: The spell no longer ends early if you run out of THP. However, it appears you can't talk no matter what form you're in.
In the print version of the 2024 PHB, the goliath's Powerful Build feature gave them advantage on saving throws to escape the Grappled condition, but on D&D Beyond, it says it gives them advantage on ability checks.
Also, the Poisoner feat says "until you hit" in the print book, but on DDB, it says "until until you deal damage" (sic).
Anyone notice any other differences between the print and DDB versions of the 2024 rules?
If true, then a lot of people may have spent their hard earned money on a physical book they are going to have to start doing a lot of strikethrough in.
WotC will just publish an errata document that you can print out and add it to the book like it's done on Academia and libraries regularly.
On my character sheets created more than a year before the release, I have weapon mastery properties. I didn't expect to see that.. it's not a big deal but I was thinking there would be a toggle on my sheet for 2014 and 2024. It seems like things are kind of mixed in between both versions now? Same with the actions, it's showing the 2024 PHB actions like Utilize.
Is there a way to make my character completely 2014 version? It's this way for all of the players in my DND campaign as well. I have content sharing on so we can all checkout the new book so I don't want to turn that off if I can help it...
This has nothing to do with errata. You'd be better off asking this in one of the threads about the DDB updates.
On my character sheets created more than a year before the release, I have weapon mastery properties. I didn't expect to see that.. it's not a big deal but I was thinking there would be a toggle on my sheet for 2014 and 2024. It seems like things are kind of mixed in between both versions now? Same with the actions, it's showing the 2024 PHB actions like Utilize.
Is there a way to make my character completely 2014 version? It's this way for all of the players in my DND campaign as well. I have content sharing on so we can all checkout the new book so I don't want to turn that off if I can help it...
This has nothing to do with errata. You'd be better off asking this in one of the threads about the DDB updates.
Tagging on to that, these changes noted were communicated too. So they, along with some naming changing like Inspiration -> Heroic Inspiration should be the only kind of changes you're seeing.
Anyone spot any other differences between physical and digital text? I hope we get an official errata document soon - but probably not before the PHB is fully released. We're still in the early release / beta testing phase.
In the interest of cross-pollination: over in Rules and Game Mechanics, we have a thread going for PHB 2024 errors. While most of them aren't differences between physical and digital, I would say they're worthwhile things to keep an eye on for upcoming fixes (one of them was already fixed, as you noted in your post).
On the point about True Polymorph - my version still shows the line that losing all THP ends the spell (i've pre-ordered but don't yet have access to the book so i think this is from the free rules version?)
Specifically under the "Creature into Creature." section for True Polymorph:
"If you turn a creature into another kind of creature, the new form can be any kind you choose that has a Challenge Rating equal to or less than the target’s Challenge Rating or level. The target’s game statistics are replaced by the stat block of the new form, but it retains its Hit Points, Hit Point Dice, alignment, and personality.
The target gains a number of Temporary Hit Points equal to the Hit Points of the new form. The spell ends early on the target if it has no Temporary Hit Points left." (emphasis mine)
Surprised rogue proficiency didn't get errata. It list short bow as a martial mastery option, but rules as written they don't have proficiency for it. Its also part of the starting gear for the class.
Surprised rogue proficiency didn't get errata. It list short bow as a martial mastery option, but rules as written they don't have proficiency for it. Its also part of the starting gear for the class.
What do you mean? Short Bow is a simple weapon and Rogues are listed as having proficiency with simple weapons and martial weapons with finesse or light property
Surprised rogue proficiency didn't get errata. It list short bow as a martial mastery option, but rules as written they don't have proficiency for it. Its also part of the starting gear for the class.
What do you mean? Short Bow is a simple weapon and Rogues are listed as having proficiency with simple weapons and martial weapons with finesse or light property
Hmm. There is an ambiguity in the sentence structure. It can be read as either:
1. (Simple and Martial) weapons that have the Finesse or Light properties, or
2. (a) Simple Weapons and (b) Martial Weapons that have the Finesse or Light properties.
Given the short bow in the starting equipment, interpretation (2) is far more likely to be correct.
Surprised rogue proficiency didn't get errata. It list short bow as a martial mastery option, but rules as written they don't have proficiency for it. Its also part of the starting gear for the class.
What do you mean? Short Bow is a simple weapon and Rogues are listed as having proficiency with simple weapons and martial weapons with finesse or light property
Hmm. There is an ambiguity in the sentence structure. It can be read as either:
1. (Simple and Martial) weapons that have the Finesse or Light properties, or
2. (a) Simple Weapons and (b) Martial Weapons that have the Finesse or Light properties.
Given the short bow in the starting equipment, interpretation (2) is far more likely to be correct.
"Simple weapons and Martial weapons that have the Finesse or Light property" IMO it's not that ambiguous. Consider that you have to chop up the sentence to get option 1 or read the sentence to get option 2.
Option 1 would read as "Simple and Martial weapons that have the Finesse or Light properties" or "weapons that have the Finesse or Light properties". Option 2 would read as "Simple Weapons and Martial Weapons that have the Finesse or Light properties".
I see no ambiguity here; rogues are proficient with Simple weapons AND Martial weapons that have the Finesse or Light property.
Weapon Proficiencies
Simple weapons and Martial weapons that have the Finesse or Light property
That's how I read it too. This is why we need more Oxford commas
The Oxford comma only applies in lists of three or more items. It’s not relevant to this example, in which any comma would actually be completely incorrect. English grammar doesn’t really have any correct way to make this completely unambiguous, but they’ve chosen the best possible option.
The Oxford comma only applies in lists of three or more items. It’s not relevant to this example, in which any comma would actually be completely incorrect. English grammar doesn’t really have any correct way to make this completely unambiguous, but they’ve chosen the best possible option.
Thanks for the clarification, every day is a school day
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Hi all,
It seems like there's been some errata incorporated for some of the new 2024 rules already!
Here's what I've seen so far (in no particular order):
The spell no longer ends early if you run out of THP.(EDIT: Never mind, that sentence is now back!) However, it appears you can't talk no matter what form you're in.Anyone notice any other differences between the print and DDB versions of the 2024 rules?
True Polymorph removed the line about the spell ending if no temp HP is left
Edit: DDB re-added the line for True Polymorph to match the printed book.
Cool. It has a separate issue, though, which is that it would appear you can't talk no matter what form you take. So if you use it to transform a human into an elf, they still can't talk. (In the 2014 version, the ability to talk was dependent on the new form.)
I have the 2024 PHB pre-release.
On my character sheets created more than a year before the release, I have weapon mastery properties. I didn't expect to see that.. it's not a big deal but I was thinking there would be a toggle on my sheet for 2014 and 2024. It seems like things are kind of mixed in between both versions now? Same with the actions, it's showing the 2024 PHB actions like Utilize.
Is there a way to make my character completely 2014 version? It's this way for all of the players in my DND campaign as well. I have content sharing on so we can all checkout the new book so I don't want to turn that off if I can help it...
If true, then a lot of people may have spent their hard earned money on a physical book they are going to have to start doing a lot of strikethrough in.
Nerdy, mine was completely 2014, until I started playing around. Now it is mixed somewhat. Not that I care, because intend to make it fully 2024. Just won't be able to play in anyone's campaigns who stubbornly stays with 2014. 🤷🏿‍♂️
WotC will just publish an errata document that you can print out and add it to the book like it's done on Academia and libraries regularly.
This has nothing to do with errata. You'd be better off asking this in one of the threads about the DDB updates.
Tagging on to that, these changes noted were communicated too. So they, along with some naming changing like Inspiration -> Heroic Inspiration should be the only kind of changes you're seeing.
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Anyone spot any other differences between physical and digital text? I hope we get an official errata document soon - but probably not before the PHB is fully released. We're still in the early release / beta testing phase.
In the interest of cross-pollination: over in Rules and Game Mechanics, we have a thread going for PHB 2024 errors. While most of them aren't differences between physical and digital, I would say they're worthwhile things to keep an eye on for upcoming fixes (one of them was already fixed, as you noted in your post).
On the point about True Polymorph - my version still shows the line that losing all THP ends the spell (i've pre-ordered but don't yet have access to the book so i think this is from the free rules version?)
Specifically under the "Creature into Creature." section for True Polymorph:
"If you turn a creature into another kind of creature, the new form can be any kind you choose that has a Challenge Rating equal to or less than the target’s Challenge Rating or level. The target’s game statistics are replaced by the stat block of the new form, but it retains its Hit Points, Hit Point Dice, alignment, and personality.
The target gains a number of Temporary Hit Points equal to the Hit Points of the new form. The spell ends early on the target if it has no Temporary Hit Points left." (emphasis mine)
Surprised rogue proficiency didn't get errata. It list short bow as a martial mastery option, but rules as written they don't have proficiency for it. Its also part of the starting gear for the class.
What do you mean? Short Bow is a simple weapon and Rogues are listed as having proficiency with simple weapons and martial weapons with finesse or light property
Hmm. There is an ambiguity in the sentence structure. It can be read as either:
1. (Simple and Martial) weapons that have the Finesse or Light properties, or
2. (a) Simple Weapons and (b) Martial Weapons that have the Finesse or Light properties.
Given the short bow in the starting equipment, interpretation (2) is far more likely to be correct.
I see no ambiguity here; rogues are proficient with Simple weapons AND Martial weapons that have the Finesse or Light property.
"Simple weapons and Martial weapons that have the Finesse or Light property"
IMO it's not that ambiguous. Consider that you have to chop up the sentence to get option 1 or read the sentence to get option 2.
Option 1 would read as "Simple and Martial weapons that have the Finesse or Light properties" or "weapons that have the Finesse or Light properties".
Option 2 would read as "Simple Weapons and Martial Weapons that have the Finesse or Light properties".
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That's how I read it too. This is why we need more Oxford commas
The Oxford comma only applies in lists of three or more items. It’s not relevant to this example, in which any comma would actually be completely incorrect. English grammar doesn’t really have any correct way to make this completely unambiguous, but they’ve chosen the best possible option.
Thanks for the clarification, every day is a school day