I am looking at protection from energy, poison, good, and evil and none of these spells provide any upscaling options allowing you to cover multiple party members with the spell. Is there any rationale behind this? Do you believe it is too powerful to allow upscaling with higher level spell slots?
it has a range of touch, so you can only touch one person. If you want touch more than one, then I guess you need to have more than spell prepared. That's the rationale.
I'm pointing out the exact wording of the entry, and how it does open interpretations besides the one most favorable to the players when it interacts with Tasha's Cauldron.
There is no other interpretation for "I want the cauldron to produce potion of fire resistance", my dude
Except, per the DMG, there is no "Potion of Fire Resistance" option, there is a Potion of Resistance that might or might not be fire based on what the DM assigns.
If you apply the filters to narrow the list of magic items on this site down to Uncommon Potions from the 2014 DMG, you will not find Potion of Fire Resistance as an entry. You will find Potion of Resistance, which says the DM determines what type it is. Ergo, by RAW, the case exists that it is within the DM's/adventure writers' purview to decide what type any given Potion of Resistance is, even in the case of this spell.
In terms of RAW, I suppose that it depends on the intent.
If the intent that there are only Potions of Resistance, which you have to roll on/have the DM decide, then DDB has detailed entries simply for accounting purposes ("Ah, I've rolled Fire, so I can record that it's specifically onto my character sheet rather than just "Potion of Resistance" and having to remember that it's Fire"), then you'd be correct.
That it's listed that way, and not separately, in RAW (something that exists as an entry only in DDB is not RAW) that means that's the correct way. Of course, the players could petition the DM for a specific one - but that leaves the control in the DM's hands. If the DM gives them a whole bunch of Fire ones when their campaign is based entirely around fire creatures... that's on the DM.
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If you apply the filters to narrow the list of magic items on this site down to Uncommon Potions from the 2014 DMG, you will not find Potion of Fire Resistance as an entry. You will find Potion of Resistance, which says the DM determines what type it is. Ergo, by RAW, the case exists that it is within the DM's/adventure writers' purview to decide what type any given Potion of Resistance is, even in the case of this spell.
Why are you limiting it to the 2014 DMG? Is that the only official source of magic items in 5e?
EDIT: Wait. I just realized that DDB's "bookkeeping" doesn't count when it doesn't support your argument, but it does count when you think it does support it. Outstanding
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That it's listed that way, and not separately, in RAW (something that exists as an entry only in DDB is not RAW)
But they don't solely exist on DDB, as I've already shown
Let me ask you guys this, since you're twisting yourself into pretzels trying to justify this "RAW" argument. When does a player discover what kind of resistance they get from the potion? When they find/examine/identify the potion, or when they drink the potion? Because by your strict RAW reading, it sure seems like the latter:
When you drink this potion, you gain resistance to one type of damage for 1 hour. The DM chooses the type or determines it randomly from the options below.
If it's the latter, why would DDB need bookkeeping entries for different resistances? You would just put a Potion of Resistance in inventory, and then try your luck
If it's the former -- if it can be identified as a Potion of Resistance (Damage Type) in advance, then what is the justification for denying it in the cauldron?
Either the potions exist, and can be created with the spell, or they don't. Which is it?
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I can't help but wonder that if I had chosen to NOT use DDB's tooltips whether this back and forth tangent on Tasha's Bubbling Cauldron would have taken place.
Except technically the printed list of magic items groups them all in one entry. One can infer that the intent of the spell is to allow you to pick the specific iteration you want, but given the way the option is presented it’s not explicit, which gives a DM stronger grounds to rule otherwise if so inclined than might otherwise be the case. I’m not saying either way is objectively correct, just that exactly how the distinction between potions that are clearly separate entries in their books and potions that subdivide within their entry is not set in stone in the spell description. And, frankly, the more restrictive one seems like a fair ball given that not only would the other likely hit one more target that a “1 extra per upcast level” effect on PfE would, but rather than using concentration and a universal timer the effects can be banked at no further cost to the caster.
There is an entry for recordkeeping on D&DB that meets those criteria
C'mon, my dude. Are you actually attempting to deny that specific resistance potions exist in DnD 5e?
Do I need to point to an officially published module that lets you find a specific Potion of Something Resistance?
I'm pointing out the exact wording of the entry, and how it does open interpretations besides the one most favorable to the players when it interacts with Tasha's Cauldron.
Players getting magic items, including potions, is the purview of the DM. So in that instance there is the table that you can roll or the DM can choose.
But we are not talking about players finding a potion or DM giving them one. It is the effect of a spell, so table no table, it is strictly the spellcaster’s choice.
That it's listed that way, and not separately, in RAW (something that exists as an entry only in DDB is not RAW)
But they don't solely exist on DDB, as I've already shown
Let me ask you guys this, since you're twisting yourself into pretzels trying to justify this "RAW" argument. When does a player discover what kind of resistance they get from the potion? When they find/examine/identify the potion, or when they drink the potion? Because by your strict RAW reading, it sure seems like the latter:
When you drink this potion, you gain resistance to one type of damage for 1 hour. The DM chooses the type or determines it randomly from the options below.
If it's the latter, why would DDB need bookkeeping entries for different resistances? You would just put a Potion of Resistance in inventory, and then try your luck
If it's the former -- if it can be identified as a Potion of Resistance (Damage Type) in advance, then what is the justification for denying it in the cauldron?
Either the potions exist, and can be created with the spell, or they don't. Which is it?
It's a very much non-sequitur that the DM/dice choosing the kind resistance granted by the potion of resistance in advance means the player gets to choose it in the cauldron.
But since "twisting yourself into pretzels" is apparently defined as "disagreeing with AntonSirius", there's zero point carrying on the conversation really. I'm out (again). I keep forgetting how pointless it is trying to discuss differences of opinion about D&D in a D&D forum.j
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But since "twisting yourself into pretzels" is apparently defined as "disagreeing with AntonSirius"
No, actually, it means you're basing your entire argument on the fact that WOTC elected to save page space in the 2014 DMG by grouping the resistance potions together rather than giving them individual entries -- just as they did for giant strength belts and potions, the various bags of tricks, etc.
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Again, I’m not saying it’s the only correct interpretation, but it is what a literal by-the-book reading of the DMG entry tells us. RAI is of course open to DM adjudication, but there is more than just a “because I said we’re doing it that way” case if the DM wants to go random.
Again, I’m not saying it’s the only correct interpretation, but it is what a literal by-the-book reading of the DMG entry tells us. RAI is of course open to DM adjudication, but there is more than just a “because I said we’re doing it that way” case if the DM wants to go random.
Again, if you want a "literal by-the-book reading of the DMG", then you don't even determine what type of resistance the player gets until they drink the potion
Except that's clearly not how it works either in theory or in practice, since WOTC has published multiple examples of resistance potions with the resistance type pre-determined
"Potion of Resistance" is not a magic item. It's a category of magic items that includes Potion of Fire Resistance, Potion of Lightning Resistance etc., in the same way that there is no such thing as a "Potion of Giant Strength", only individual Potions of Hill Giant Strength, Frost Giant Strength etc.
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it has a range of touch, so you can only touch one person. If you want touch more than one, then I guess you need to have more than spell prepared. That's the rationale.
In terms of RAW, I suppose that it depends on the intent.
If the intent that there are only Potions of Resistance, which you have to roll on/have the DM decide, then DDB has detailed entries simply for accounting purposes ("Ah, I've rolled Fire, so I can record that it's specifically onto my character sheet rather than just "Potion of Resistance" and having to remember that it's Fire"), then you'd be correct.
That it's listed that way, and not separately, in RAW (something that exists as an entry only in DDB is not RAW) that means that's the correct way. Of course, the players could petition the DM for a specific one - but that leaves the control in the DM's hands. If the DM gives them a whole bunch of Fire ones when their campaign is based entirely around fire creatures... that's on the DM.
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Why are you limiting it to the 2014 DMG? Is that the only official source of magic items in 5e?
EDIT: Wait. I just realized that DDB's "bookkeeping" doesn't count when it doesn't support your argument, but it does count when you think it does support it. Outstanding
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But they don't solely exist on DDB, as I've already shown
Let me ask you guys this, since you're twisting yourself into pretzels trying to justify this "RAW" argument. When does a player discover what kind of resistance they get from the potion? When they find/examine/identify the potion, or when they drink the potion? Because by your strict RAW reading, it sure seems like the latter:
If it's the latter, why would DDB need bookkeeping entries for different resistances? You would just put a Potion of Resistance in inventory, and then try your luck
If it's the former -- if it can be identified as a Potion of Resistance (Damage Type) in advance, then what is the justification for denying it in the cauldron?
Either the potions exist, and can be created with the spell, or they don't. Which is it?
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Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
I can't help but wonder that if I had chosen to NOT use DDB's tooltips whether this back and forth tangent on Tasha's Bubbling Cauldron would have taken place.
Players getting magic items, including potions, is the purview of the DM. So in that instance there is the table that you can roll or the DM can choose.
But we are not talking about players finding a potion or DM giving them one. It is the effect of a spell, so table no table, it is strictly the spellcaster’s choice.
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It's a very much non-sequitur that the DM/dice choosing the kind resistance granted by the potion of resistance in advance means the player gets to choose it in the cauldron.
But since "twisting yourself into pretzels" is apparently defined as "disagreeing with AntonSirius", there's zero point carrying on the conversation really. I'm out (again). I keep forgetting how pointless it is trying to discuss differences of opinion about D&D in a D&D forum.j
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No, actually, it means you're basing your entire argument on the fact that WOTC elected to save page space in the 2014 DMG by grouping the resistance potions together rather than giving them individual entries -- just as they did for giant strength belts and potions, the various bags of tricks, etc.
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Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
Again, I’m not saying it’s the only correct interpretation, but it is what a literal by-the-book reading of the DMG entry tells us. RAI is of course open to DM adjudication, but there is more than just a “because I said we’re doing it that way” case if the DM wants to go random.
Again, if you want a "literal by-the-book reading of the DMG", then you don't even determine what type of resistance the player gets until they drink the potion
Except that's clearly not how it works either in theory or in practice, since WOTC has published multiple examples of resistance potions with the resistance type pre-determined
"Potion of Resistance" is not a magic item. It's a category of magic items that includes Potion of Fire Resistance, Potion of Lightning Resistance etc., in the same way that there is no such thing as a "Potion of Giant Strength", only individual Potions of Hill Giant Strength, Frost Giant Strength etc.
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Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)