I just re-watch the new D&D movie on Netflix. Seen it a few times now and love it. Do you think we'll get another? I hope so and I want to see more Underdark. No, the Adama. I want to see the cast get totally trolled into committing suicide using Illusion magic and over come it to defeat the Adama.
On the same level as Honour Among Thieves? I doubt it, not for a while at least. It didn't do all that well at the Box Office - in fact, it almost certainly made a loss.
They will make more films though. I seem to remember there was talk of another one being made. It would be much lower budget though, so the takings aren't so pressured.
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Well Hasbro liquidated the film studio that made Honor Among Thieves, so there is likely not going to be one any time soon.
Ironically, the older D&D movies not made by Hasbro are pretty fun, if super cheesy, but they can be a pain to find unless you know where to look. They aren't 5E based, but are pretty recognizable as D&D, even if things work differently in the background.
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As others have said Honour Amoung Thieves was considered a flop and Hasbro ended up selling the film studio that made it as a result. However Hasbro's approach to D&D as an IP outside of the TTRPG does seem to be one of chasing whatever trend seems to be working, at the moment Baldur's Gate 3 made huge amounts of money so every interview is about how great gaming is and how they're throwing all their weight behind that but if the Forgotten Realms show on Netflix ends up being huge we'll almost definitely see them frantically rebuying their film studio because they think live action is where it's at
Well Hasbro liquidated the film studio that made Honor Among Thieves, so there is likely not going to be one any time soon.
Ironically, the older D&D movies not made by Hasbro are pretty fun, if super cheesy, but they can be a pain to find unless you know where to look. They aren't 5E based, but are pretty recognizable as D&D, even if things work differently in the background.
... you mean that one from three decades ago that was utterly horrible? I hated that movie the Wayans brother was the only good character. Roll
I think the movie did terribly just because of timing it was just after COVID and theater sales are down regardless. I better Prime and Netflix will save it. Just gotta wait for those two to finish the run and see how many views it got.
One of the main problems was that it released the same time as Super Mario Bros., which sucked all the attention and money. If it hadn't been for that, it would probably have done ok at least.
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The 2023 D&D movie released late March of the same year, and was after the biggest mistake the company had made in the months leading.
The Covid pandemic was around the 2019-2021 timeframe, and at the time of theatrical release the actors guild was raising a fuss about deepfake Ai useage, so the reason for the movie’s average performance in terms of success was due to just bad timing.
As for a new movie, I don’t see that happening anytime in the next two or three years, as currently Hasbro has bigger issues to resolve first.
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The franchise earned brand power thanks the movie but they didn't earn enough money in the box-office.
The partnership with Paramount ended, and I don't know if those actors could play again the same characters. What a pity because I loved Sofia Lilis as Dolric the druid. I hope we could see them again in some cameo in the art of the future sourcebooks or some comic or novel.
Now Hasbro wants to try it with Netflix.
The first movie, that with Thora Birtch and Jeremy Irons wans't boring but... I watched better ones.
According to what sources I can find, it seems to have made around $50m - before streaming. I can't really determine whether that's before or after marketing, but I'm inclined to think it's after. So a decent but not great result.
But it's super well reviews, and well liked among it's target audience. I think the real question - the one that determines whether there'll be another - is whether they can expand the audience, get people who don't play to watch it. And begin playing. I mean, get the next one out to a greater, wider audience.
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It made $208 million on a $150 million budget. However, due to how much of the money they make that actually goes to the studio (a lot of it stays with the theatres, and even that goes mostly on costs) and marketing etc, they need to make 2-3 times the budget to get back to profit again. It doesn't sound intuitive, but it's because of what they're measuring - that $208 million is what customers paid to see it, but there are a lot of costs that have to be paid (eg paying for the theatres to show it) before it starts trickling back to the makers and starts repaying the budget and eventually profit.
It may have overall made a (small) profit after streaming etc, we won't know that, but it needed far more than $60 million over its budget to be a worthwhile investment. At least not in terms of cash return.
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Well Hasbro liquidated the film studio that made Honor Among Thieves, so there is likely not going to be one any time soon.
Ironically, the older D&D movies not made by Hasbro are pretty fun, if super cheesy, but they can be a pain to find unless you know where to look. They aren't 5E based, but are pretty recognizable as D&D, even if things work differently in the background.
... you mean that one from three decades ago that was utterly horrible? I hated that movie the Wayans brother was the only good character. Roll
I think the movie did terribly just because of timing it was just after COVID and theater sales are down regardless. I better Prime and Netflix will save it. Just gotta wait for those two to finish the run and see how many views it got.
I actually never saw the Waynes brother one, i actually sometimes forget it exists. I was Referring to their follow ups, "Wrath of the Dragon God" and "Book of Vile Darkness" as well as the Dragonlance animated movie "Dragons of Autumn Twilight." None of them Did great, but they were fun.
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"Hope is a fire that burns in us all If only an ember, awaiting your call To rise up in triumph should we all unite The spark for change is yours to ignite." Kalandra - The State of the World
Really seems that D&D-style fantasy movies don't do well for Hollywood. We have had 4 live-Action D&D Movies now? Plus Eragon, Warcraft, Dragonslayer, etc. Willow which did make a decent profit and has become a cult classic. Even Conan, which really only the first of the three movies did well. Bollywood on the other hand can make huge swashbuckling sword and sorcery movies like Baahubali series and do well at it.
Maybe we need to get Bollywood to do the next D&D movie.
I'd be surprised if they make another movie, with all of them bombing at the Box Office from all of the previous movies. For a game that claims to be worlds most popular, it doesn't seem to transfer to the Box Office or even to Social Media. Neither D&D's Twitter or Youtube Channel is close to 1 million subcribers. And supposedly there are 1.4 million players around the world.
Now "Stranger Things" has nearly 6 million followers and the classic 80s movie with Tom Hanks, 'Mazes and Monsters" is still a cult classic TV movie with Gen X and the younger Boomers. It seems to me that D&D has more success when it is a movie where the cast play the D&D game, than a movie about D&D itself. Although the animation "Dungeons and Dragons" was okay for the time period.
I doubt we will see another D&D movie in the theaters. For two reasons:
1. Honor Among Thieves lost money. It had a $150M production budget. Add on top of that the advertisement budget, which is estimated between $70M to $100M. So the total cost outlay for the movie was between $220 and $250 million. The movie has only brought in $205 million worldwide to date. Movies that lose money don't often get sequels, especially movies that are targeted at a specific niche audience.
2. The movie theater industry is dead. At the very least, it's in hospice. The old days of big movies being released in theaters, running for a month, then going to streaming or video or whatever, those days are gone. The big money now is being put into streaming services. Why? It's all about "Dollars Per Minute". A big blockbuster movie, with production and advertising, will cost about $300M to release. And for that $300M you get at best a 3 hour movie. So you're spending $100M per hour to make that movie. Now let's look at a streaming series like Andor. Andor went all out! It was a faithful, meticulous, cleverly written, exceptional series. The first two seasons of Andor cost a total of $650M. That's a lot of money! But... for that money they made 24 episodes of 40 minutes each. So for $650M they got 16 hours of blockbuster-movie-quality entertainment. That's just $40M per hour!
Movie production companies realize that they can reach a much wider audience and make a lot more money by going straight to streaming rather than investing in a dying industry.
Well Hasbro liquidated the film studio that made Honor Among Thieves, so there is likely not going to be one any time soon.
Ironically, the older D&D movies not made by Hasbro are pretty fun, if super cheesy, but they can be a pain to find unless you know where to look. They aren't 5E based, but are pretty recognizable as D&D, even if things work differently in the background.
... you mean that one from three decades ago that was utterly horrible? I hated that movie the Wayans brother was the only good character. Roll
I think the movie did terribly just because of timing it was just after COVID and theater sales are down regardless. I better Prime and Netflix will save it. Just gotta wait for those two to finish the run and see how many views it got.
I actually never saw the Waynes brother one, i actually sometimes forget it exists. I was Referring to their follow ups, "Wrath of the Dragon God" and "Book of Vile Darkness" as well as the Dragonlance animated movie "Dragons of Autumn Twilight." None of them Did great, but they were fun.
Wrath of the Dragon God debuted on the Sci-Fi channel, while the other two were straight to home video, IIRC.
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I just re-watch the new D&D movie on Netflix. Seen it a few times now and love it. Do you think we'll get another? I hope so and I want to see more Underdark. No, the Adama. I want to see the cast get totally trolled into committing suicide using Illusion magic and over come it to defeat the Adama.
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Burn my candle twice.
I have done my life justice
Against random dice.
I don't know for movie, but there is a live-action DUNGEONS & DRAGONS serie called The Forgotten Realms in development at NETFLIX
On the same level as Honour Among Thieves? I doubt it, not for a while at least. It didn't do all that well at the Box Office - in fact, it almost certainly made a loss.
They will make more films though. I seem to remember there was talk of another one being made. It would be much lower budget though, so the takings aren't so pressured.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
Well Hasbro liquidated the film studio that made Honor Among Thieves, so there is likely not going to be one any time soon.
Ironically, the older D&D movies not made by Hasbro are pretty fun, if super cheesy, but they can be a pain to find unless you know where to look. They aren't 5E based, but are pretty recognizable as D&D, even if things work differently in the background.
He/Him. Loooooooooong time Player.
The Dark days of the THAC0 system are behind us.
"Hope is a fire that burns in us all If only an ember, awaiting your call
To rise up in triumph should we all unite
The spark for change is yours to ignite."
Kalandra - The State of the World
As others have said Honour Amoung Thieves was considered a flop and Hasbro ended up selling the film studio that made it as a result. However Hasbro's approach to D&D as an IP outside of the TTRPG does seem to be one of chasing whatever trend seems to be working, at the moment Baldur's Gate 3 made huge amounts of money so every interview is about how great gaming is and how they're throwing all their weight behind that but if the Forgotten Realms show on Netflix ends up being huge we'll almost definitely see them frantically rebuying their film studio because they think live action is where it's at
... you mean that one from three decades ago that was utterly horrible? I hated that movie the Wayans brother was the only good character. Roll
I think the movie did terribly just because of timing it was just after COVID and theater sales are down regardless. I better Prime and Netflix will save it. Just gotta wait for those two to finish the run and see how many views it got.
"Life is Cast by Random Dice"
Burn my candle twice.
I have done my life justice
Against random dice.
One of the main problems was that it released the same time as Super Mario Bros., which sucked all the attention and money. If it hadn't been for that, it would probably have done ok at least.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
The 2023 D&D movie released late March of the same year, and was after the biggest mistake the company had made in the months leading.
The Covid pandemic was around the 2019-2021 timeframe, and at the time of theatrical release the actors guild was raising a fuss about deepfake Ai useage, so the reason for the movie’s average performance in terms of success was due to just bad timing.
As for a new movie, I don’t see that happening anytime in the next two or three years, as currently Hasbro has bigger issues to resolve first.
" Darkvision doesn’t work in Magical darkness, and if something is magical, Never Trust it acts the same way as a non-magical version of that same thing!”- Discotech Mage over a cup of joe.
The franchise earned brand power thanks the movie but they didn't earn enough money in the box-office.
The partnership with Paramount ended, and I don't know if those actors could play again the same characters. What a pity because I loved Sofia Lilis as Dolric the druid. I hope we could see them again in some cameo in the art of the future sourcebooks or some comic or novel.
Now Hasbro wants to try it with Netflix.
The first movie, that with Thora Birtch and Jeremy Irons wans't boring but... I watched better ones.
According to what sources I can find, it seems to have made around $50m - before streaming. I can't really determine whether that's before or after marketing, but I'm inclined to think it's after. So a decent but not great result.
But it's super well reviews, and well liked among it's target audience. I think the real question - the one that determines whether there'll be another - is whether they can expand the audience, get people who don't play to watch it. And begin playing. I mean, get the next one out to a greater, wider audience.
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
It made $208 million on a $150 million budget. However, due to how much of the money they make that actually goes to the studio (a lot of it stays with the theatres, and even that goes mostly on costs) and marketing etc, they need to make 2-3 times the budget to get back to profit again. It doesn't sound intuitive, but it's because of what they're measuring - that $208 million is what customers paid to see it, but there are a lot of costs that have to be paid (eg paying for the theatres to show it) before it starts trickling back to the makers and starts repaying the budget and eventually profit.
It may have overall made a (small) profit after streaming etc, we won't know that, but it needed far more than $60 million over its budget to be a worthwhile investment. At least not in terms of cash return.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
I actually never saw the Waynes brother one, i actually sometimes forget it exists.
I was Referring to their follow ups, "Wrath of the Dragon God" and "Book of Vile Darkness" as well as the Dragonlance animated movie "Dragons of Autumn Twilight."
None of them Did great, but they were fun.
He/Him. Loooooooooong time Player.
The Dark days of the THAC0 system are behind us.
"Hope is a fire that burns in us all If only an ember, awaiting your call
To rise up in triumph should we all unite
The spark for change is yours to ignite."
Kalandra - The State of the World
Really seems that D&D-style fantasy movies don't do well for Hollywood. We have had 4 live-Action D&D Movies now? Plus Eragon, Warcraft, Dragonslayer, etc. Willow which did make a decent profit and has become a cult classic. Even Conan, which really only the first of the three movies did well. Bollywood on the other hand can make huge swashbuckling sword and sorcery movies like Baahubali series and do well at it.
Maybe we need to get Bollywood to do the next D&D movie.
What about all of the Hobbit movies? Some cartoon some not. Based on almost unreadable books translated very well into successful movies.
Woah, slow your roll there. The Lord of the Rings (my favorite book!) has sold over 150 million copies and The Hobbit has sold over 100 million.
As for Honor Among Thieves, I loved it but sadly I think it will be a good while before we see another D&D movie.
I'd be surprised if they make another movie, with all of them bombing at the Box Office from all of the previous movies. For a game that claims to be worlds most popular, it doesn't seem to transfer to the Box Office or even to Social Media. Neither D&D's Twitter or Youtube Channel is close to 1 million subcribers. And supposedly there are 1.4 million players around the world.
Now "Stranger Things" has nearly 6 million followers and the classic 80s movie with Tom Hanks, 'Mazes and Monsters" is still a cult classic TV movie with Gen X and the younger Boomers. It seems to me that D&D has more success when it is a movie where the cast play the D&D game, than a movie about D&D itself. Although the animation "Dungeons and Dragons" was okay for the time period.
I doubt we will see another D&D movie in the theaters. For two reasons:
1. Honor Among Thieves lost money. It had a $150M production budget. Add on top of that the advertisement budget, which is estimated between $70M to $100M. So the total cost outlay for the movie was between $220 and $250 million. The movie has only brought in $205 million worldwide to date. Movies that lose money don't often get sequels, especially movies that are targeted at a specific niche audience.
2. The movie theater industry is dead. At the very least, it's in hospice. The old days of big movies being released in theaters, running for a month, then going to streaming or video or whatever, those days are gone. The big money now is being put into streaming services. Why? It's all about "Dollars Per Minute". A big blockbuster movie, with production and advertising, will cost about $300M to release. And for that $300M you get at best a 3 hour movie. So you're spending $100M per hour to make that movie. Now let's look at a streaming series like Andor. Andor went all out! It was a faithful, meticulous, cleverly written, exceptional series. The first two seasons of Andor cost a total of $650M. That's a lot of money! But... for that money they made 24 episodes of 40 minutes each. So for $650M they got 16 hours of blockbuster-movie-quality entertainment. That's just $40M per hour!
Movie production companies realize that they can reach a much wider audience and make a lot more money by going straight to streaming rather than investing in a dying industry.
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Wrath of the Dragon God debuted on the Sci-Fi channel, while the other two were straight to home video, IIRC.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.