I've read most of this thread and I'm still deeply confused on some particulars re: existing legacy character sheets on DDB.
Let's use my 7th level hexblade warlock as an example. Created, of course, using 2014 rules. Some questions:
What happens to the character sheet on whatever date in September the switch is flipped? Does it remain exactly the same, since it was created prior to the 2024 PHB, or do parts of it get updated?
What happens to spells and invocations that this character has chosen that are NOT in the 2024 PHB?
Do the spells from 2014 that are updated and included in 2024 automatically changed for this character, or do they remain the legacy versions since the sheet was made using 2014 rules?
What happens with this character since its using a patron not available in the 2024 PHB?
the stuff that will change are your spells if they are reprinted in the new book and if you want to use the old ones the devs said go remake them all in homebrew. as for your subclass/class? nothing on that should change unless you manually change it.
I'm getting that awful chill up my spine when companies just disappear when the noise gets loud. Rug pull incoming? Come on, read the concerns and get a response addressing them, quickly. The community is swelling with too much anger right now. We're coming up with better solutions than WOTC and DDB right now. Not a good look.
to be fair thats not hard lol look at how they handled the ranger.
So true. I can handle incremental mistakes when it comes to rules or classes, but this breaks their site. Hoo boy. I'm with you that I've not had a lot of faith in their decisions but this is kind of the last one they'll get to make, imo.
I'm getting that awful chill up my spine when companies just disappear when the noise gets loud. Rug pull incoming? Come on, read the concerns and get a response addressing them, quickly. The community is swelling with too much anger right now. We're coming up with better solutions than WOTC and DDB right now. Not a good look.
to be fair thats not hard lol look at how they handled the ranger.
So true. I can handle incremental mistakes when it comes to rules or classes, but this breaks their site. Hoo boy. I'm with you that I've not had a lot of faith in their decisions but this is kind of the last one they'll get to make, imo.
if these changes to the spells and items go through i see no point in staying on the site or buying else anymore since it wont stay the same ever and their response if we want the content we paid for is it "homebrew it" why not just homebrew all the paid for content then? at least that they havent taken away YET
I paid for my 2014 PHB years ago, plus 98% of the other books. Eliminating parts of the book I paid for is unethical, basically theft and diabolical. My group is currently playing DotMM, a 5e adventure module, and only on level 6. Now we are forced to use new spells and the magic items in the module will be changed. What the hell?!
WotC and D&D has become so out of touch with the community and it feels like you are purposely and continually irritating the DMs and players that love this game. Why do you continue to poke the bear?! I was on the fence about buying the 2024 books. I'm not anymore. I won't but any of them.
I'm getting that awful chill up my spine when companies just disappear when the noise gets loud. Rug pull incoming? Come on, read the concerns and get a response addressing them, quickly. The community is swelling with too much anger right now. We're coming up with better solutions than WOTC and DDB right now. Not a good look.
to be fair thats not hard lol look at how they handled the ranger.
So true. I can handle incremental mistakes when it comes to rules or classes, but this breaks their site. Hoo boy. I'm with you that I've not had a lot of faith in their decisions but this is kind of the last one they'll get to make, imo.
if these changes to the spells and items go through i see no point in staying on the site or buying else anymore since it wont stay the same ever and their response if we want the content we paid for is it "homebrew it" why not just homebrew all the paid for content then? at least that they havent taken away YET
I totally agree. I certainly hope the noise is making them really come up with the appropriate response, and that is the reason for the radio silence. My trust is just about broken, anyway but the best they could do is give me a reason to still keep my ongoing campaign on their site and reverse this decision. The issue right now is the urgency they are making me rush to a different platform. I'd like a few weeks at least to make it seamless for my players.
THIS IS ALL ABOUT KEEPING MY PLAYERS FROM HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE MESS! I'll handle it for them, but help me out, DDB!
I've read most of this thread and I'm still deeply confused on some particulars re: existing legacy character sheets on DDB.
Let's use my 7th level hexblade warlock as an example. Created, of course, using 2014 rules. Some questions:
What happens to the character sheet on whatever date in September the switch is flipped? Does it remain exactly the same, since it was created prior to the 2024 PHB, or do parts of it get updated?
What happens to spells and invocations that this character has chosen that are NOT in the 2024 PHB?
Do the spells from 2014 that are updated and included in 2024 automatically changed for this character, or do they remain the legacy versions since the sheet was made using 2014 rules?
What happens with this character since its using a patron not available in the 2024 PHB?
My understanding from reading the change log is, the sheet will be automatically updated to reflect 2024 rules (e.g. Heroic Inspiration, updated condition descriptions, new exhaustion rules, new action descriptions etc ) and any links or tooltips will be repointed to the 2024 versions. You will still have the 2014 warlock (Legacy), with 2014 Hexblade (no 2024 equivalent anyway), with 2014 invocations (since I believe they are a part of the class so should be Legacy as well).
Any spells or items you have chosen will remain chosen but they will be replaced with their 2024 versions
This should've been done in reverse. You have a perfectly established 5e system already in place and a new and widely untested 5.5e that you're rolling out; you should be adding the tab to opt in, not opt out.
With this one update, you've set back every 5E player that doesn't want to use the new system and essentially made it much harder to use the 5E content. Telling us to copy and paste 'old' content as homebrew is like telling every fifth edition player to pick up the slack that you dropped; there should simply be a 2014 and 2024 tab to swap between the two rulesets.
I'm coming here to at least add my voice in that the 2024 thing is crap, I won't be buying the new 2024 books (Physical or Digital). Now that D&DBeyond has forced the 2024 rulesets on all the characters I will be cancelling my subscription (again) as well. This change has practically ruined my campaigns which are using the 2014 rules, and now we have to go back to paper-and-pencil. I am displeased that they chose to go this direction. WotC didn't learn their lesson from last year.
I already wasn't a fan of the recent changes to the UI under the Game Rules section, but making the choice to play under the 2014 rule set so finicky and annoying doesn't make using Beyond appealing for the 2014 players such as myself and my players.
A simple switch in settings to toggle whether you want to use 2014 or 2024 ruleset would make so many of these changes far more tolerable.
This is my feeling too. If this is the direction they are going I don't see myself renewing my master tier subscription or any subscription at all honestly. Very disappointed.
Really irritated by this change. I'm not a fan of the new rules and I planned on piecemealing some things from the new 5.5 into my 5e play. Probably will be canceling my DM subscription and going back to paper sheets or another digital character sheet system. Really hope you guys take the feedback and add a toggle.
Today, when you create a character, the first page that you are presented with is this one:
If they could simply make something similar instead of a toggle, not even the legacy badge would be necessary to be visible.
Just let the people creating the character decide if they want to use 2014 or 2024 rules right after they click "Create a New Character". Not a toggle in the home settings of the sheet, but an option before character creation.
If a user chooses to create a 2014 character, they are presented with the same options that always existed in DnD Beyond, you already HAVE that system.
If they choose to create a 2024 character, they instead go to this new character creation and character sheet designed for 2024.
I can't see a reason for not doing that besides wanting to tire users into adapting for 2024, eventually selling more books. If that's the plan, I do hope it fails miserably.
What happens to all of the sourcebooks and adventures that's been purchased? It's unfair to those of us who've spent hundreds of dollars on these for them to be forced into redundancy. Probably illegal too.
What happens to all of the sourcebooks and adventures that's been purchased? It's unfair to those of us who've spent hundreds of dollars on these for them to be forced into redundancy. Probably illegal too.
they basically get turned into PDF stuffs and marked as legacy and unless its been reprinted in the 2024 rules then you can use it. if its reprinted the pinkertons will hunt you down if you try to use the old versions
Also chiming in to support a toggle option instead of a blanket overwrite of 2014 spells.
Both of my current campaigns have players that use a mix of DNDbeyond/digital sources and physical books/sheets. With this change folks with the same spell will be accessing two different versions of it - unless paper users buy the new book, or I homebrew back in the old versions for the digital crew. Both of those options suck and are not in spirit of keeping this game accessible for people to play. The whole point of a digital toolset is to make playing the game easier (especially for more casual players that don't keep up with rules changes like a lot of us here in the forums do) and unfortunately it feels like DNDbeyond has given up on that ideal.
I'll stay subbed for now but expect will unsub once my longest-running campaign ends. Other options are becoming more viable as a replacement, and I've been considering it anyway since the option to purchase piecemeal content was removed.
Today, when you create a character, the first page that you are presented with is this one:
If they could simply make something similar instead of a toggle, not even the legacy badge would be necessary to be visible.
Just let the people creating the character decide if they want to use 2014 or 2024 rules right after they click "Create a New Character". Not a toggle in the home settings of the sheet, but an option before character creation.
If a user chooses to create a 2014 character, they are presented with the same options that always existed in DnD Beyond, you already HAVE that system.
If they choose to create a 2024 character, they instead go to this new character creation and character sheet designed for 2024.
I can't see a reason for not doing that besides wanting to tire users into adapting for 2024, eventually selling more books. If that's the plan, I do hope it fails miserably.
This is an absolutely horrible decision that will seriously affect ongoing campaigns. I have some fairly new players who just got used to the 2014 ruleset and now they're expected to relearn all of their spells and game mechanics over the course of a couple weeks? Why not just have an opt-in feature for the 2024 ruleset and spells? These are the kinds of scummy business practices that show complete contempt for your customer base.
This is a pretty terrible implementation for anyone running a 2014 game that doesn't want to switch over, or was even just undecided. I don't know how I'm going to handle this, and I know at least one of my DMs is going to hate this. It could be worse (no access to anything 2014 at all), but yeesh, this blows.
How am I supposed to handle this with my campaign of fairly new players who JUST got comfortable with their spells/items? "Oh hey sorry guys, gotta jump to the new ruleset". This is such a bait and switch and again makes me consider canceling my sub. I would have been more than happy to gradually introduce the changes as OPTIONS like they were originally presented as. You should make us want to switch not force us.
All this has done is make me look at another system. If you're going to force me to update my current ongoing game then I might as well move to a system who isn't going to pull the rug out from under me.
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the stuff that will change are your spells if they are reprinted in the new book and if you want to use the old ones the devs said go remake them all in homebrew. as for your subclass/class? nothing on that should change unless you manually change it.
So true. I can handle incremental mistakes when it comes to rules or classes, but this breaks their site. Hoo boy. I'm with you that I've not had a lot of faith in their decisions but this is kind of the last one they'll get to make, imo.
if these changes to the spells and items go through i see no point in staying on the site or buying else anymore since it wont stay the same ever and their response if we want the content we paid for is it "homebrew it" why not just homebrew all the paid for content then? at least that they havent taken away YET
This is B.......t!
I paid for my 2014 PHB years ago, plus 98% of the other books. Eliminating parts of the book I paid for is unethical, basically theft and diabolical. My group is currently playing DotMM, a 5e adventure module, and only on level 6. Now we are forced to use new spells and the magic items in the module will be changed. What the hell?!
WotC and D&D has become so out of touch with the community and it feels like you are purposely and continually irritating the DMs and players that love this game. Why do you continue to poke the bear?! I was on the fence about buying the 2024 books. I'm not anymore. I won't but any of them.
I'm so aggravated and disappointed.
I totally agree. I certainly hope the noise is making them really come up with the appropriate response, and that is the reason for the radio silence. My trust is just about broken, anyway but the best they could do is give me a reason to still keep my ongoing campaign on their site and reverse this decision. The issue right now is the urgency they are making me rush to a different platform. I'd like a few weeks at least to make it seamless for my players.
THIS IS ALL ABOUT KEEPING MY PLAYERS FROM HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE MESS! I'll handle it for them, but help me out, DDB!
My understanding from reading the change log is, the sheet will be automatically updated to reflect 2024 rules (e.g. Heroic Inspiration, updated condition descriptions, new exhaustion rules, new action descriptions etc ) and any links or tooltips will be repointed to the 2024 versions. You will still have the 2014 warlock (Legacy), with 2014 Hexblade (no 2024 equivalent anyway), with 2014 invocations (since I believe they are a part of the class so should be Legacy as well).
Any spells or items you have chosen will remain chosen but they will be replaced with their 2024 versions
This should've been done in reverse. You have a perfectly established 5e system already in place and a new and widely untested 5.5e that you're rolling out; you should be adding the tab to opt in, not opt out.
With this one update, you've set back every 5E player that doesn't want to use the new system and essentially made it much harder to use the 5E content. Telling us to copy and paste 'old' content as homebrew is like telling every fifth edition player to pick up the slack that you dropped; there should simply be a 2014 and 2024 tab to swap between the two rulesets.
So I cannot use Spells I PURCHASED on a website that is supposed to support our ability to play games?
Are all the spells I own from books I paid for going to be in their 2024 versions or will I have to buy a whole new book to access them?
Tell me Wizards, why am i even bothering anymore.
I'm coming here to at least add my voice in that the 2024 thing is crap, I won't be buying the new 2024 books (Physical or Digital). Now that D&DBeyond has forced the 2024 rulesets on all the characters I will be cancelling my subscription (again) as well. This change has practically ruined my campaigns which are using the 2014 rules, and now we have to go back to paper-and-pencil. I am displeased that they chose to go this direction. WotC didn't learn their lesson from last year.
This is my feeling too. If this is the direction they are going I don't see myself renewing my master tier subscription or any subscription at all honestly. Very disappointed.
Really irritated by this change. I'm not a fan of the new rules and I planned on piecemealing some things from the new 5.5 into my 5e play. Probably will be canceling my DM subscription and going back to paper sheets or another digital character sheet system. Really hope you guys take the feedback and add a toggle.
Have you ever licked a lamppost in winter?
Today, when you create a character, the first page that you are presented with is this one:
If they could simply make something similar instead of a toggle, not even the legacy badge would be necessary to be visible.
Just let the people creating the character decide if they want to use 2014 or 2024 rules right after they click "Create a New Character".
Not a toggle in the home settings of the sheet, but an option before character creation.
If a user chooses to create a 2014 character, they are presented with the same options that always existed in DnD Beyond, you already HAVE that system.
If they choose to create a 2024 character, they instead go to this new character creation and character sheet designed for 2024.
I can't see a reason for not doing that besides wanting to tire users into adapting for 2024, eventually selling more books. If that's the plan, I do hope it fails miserably.
What happens to all of the sourcebooks and adventures that's been purchased? It's unfair to those of us who've spent hundreds of dollars on these for them to be forced into redundancy. Probably illegal too.
they basically get turned into PDF stuffs and marked as legacy and unless its been reprinted in the 2024 rules then you can use it. if its reprinted the pinkertons will hunt you down if you try to use the old versions
This is shit
Also chiming in to support a toggle option instead of a blanket overwrite of 2014 spells.
Both of my current campaigns have players that use a mix of DNDbeyond/digital sources and physical books/sheets. With this change folks with the same spell will be accessing two different versions of it - unless paper users buy the new book, or I homebrew back in the old versions for the digital crew. Both of those options suck and are not in spirit of keeping this game accessible for people to play. The whole point of a digital toolset is to make playing the game easier (especially for more casual players that don't keep up with rules changes like a lot of us here in the forums do) and unfortunately it feels like DNDbeyond has given up on that ideal.
I'll stay subbed for now but expect will unsub once my longest-running campaign ends. Other options are becoming more viable as a replacement, and I've been considering it anyway since the option to purchase piecemeal content was removed.
This. I like this. This is an excellent solution!
This is an absolutely horrible decision that will seriously affect ongoing campaigns. I have some fairly new players who just got used to the 2014 ruleset and now they're expected to relearn all of their spells and game mechanics over the course of a couple weeks? Why not just have an opt-in feature for the 2024 ruleset and spells? These are the kinds of scummy business practices that show complete contempt for your customer base.
This is a pretty terrible implementation for anyone running a 2014 game that doesn't want to switch over, or was even just undecided. I don't know how I'm going to handle this, and I know at least one of my DMs is going to hate this. It could be worse (no access to anything 2014 at all), but yeesh, this blows.
How am I supposed to handle this with my campaign of fairly new players who JUST got comfortable with their spells/items? "Oh hey sorry guys, gotta jump to the new ruleset". This is such a bait and switch and again makes me consider canceling my sub. I would have been more than happy to gradually introduce the changes as OPTIONS like they were originally presented as. You should make us want to switch not force us.
All this has done is make me look at another system. If you're going to force me to update my current ongoing game then I might as well move to a system who isn't going to pull the rug out from under me.