Thanks for the update! When this goes live I'll be able to cancel my Master Tier Subscription I've had for years, because the whole reason I paid all this money for access to this content was to make it easier for my players to build and track characters in 5e.
Thanks for the update! When this goes live I'll be able to cancel my Master Tier Subscription I've had for years, because the whole reason I paid all this money for access to this content was to make it easier for my players to build and track characters in 5e.
Now your site is worthless for that.
Yeah, I'm thinking of downgrading to hero tier at the very least, if not cancelling my subscription. Will see after the 2024 material launches as to which path I will take.
Thanks for the update! When this goes live I'll be able to cancel my Master Tier Subscription I've had for years, because the whole reason I paid all this money for access to this content was to make it easier for my players to build and track characters in 5e.
Now your site is worthless for that.
Why wait? Cancel your auto-renew now so they know how badly they've ****ed this up because that's what wotc/hasbro will notice. You'll still have access for the time you've already paid for but they'll see the flood of cancelled auto subscriptions.
I don't see why, like so many others have said here, a switch can't be made to switch between the 2014 and 2024 rules for those who aren't ready to switch over yet. I am a player in a long standing campaign and share my content via my master tier with the other players and DM. Most of the players in the campaign are new players who are still learning the 2014 rules, and having to completely start over may put them off completely from the game. If the code exists for all of the old spells, they can easily keep them somewhere so the burden of rewriting it as homebrew is not put on us as players and DMs. This may make my players and I transfer to another platform to finish our campaign and for any future games.
Thanks for the update! When this goes live I'll be able to cancel my Master Tier Subscription I've had for years, because the whole reason I paid all this money for access to this content was to make it easier for my players to build and track characters in 5e.
Now your site is worthless for that.
Why wait? Cancel your auto-renew now so they know how badly they've ****ed this up because that's what wotc/hasbro will notice. You'll still have access for the time you've already paid for but they'll see the flood of cancelled auto subscriptions.
Is it possible to reinstate your subscription if you cancel it?
So what happens with the existing character sheets does that just get converted to the new ones? I want to keep my character sheets as is especially my late mothers characters that we worked on.
Probably the people who paid for it in the first place? I for one don't appreciate this unilateral decision to prevent paying customers from accessing the content they paid for and then, presumably, charging them again just to use a newer version of those spells.
Yep. This is the straw that makes me unsubscribe. I've spent well over $1k worth of material from this site and been a master tier subscriber for years. The way this site is run oozes of greed and distain for its customer base. I've been interested in Pathfinder 2e for a while now and this is as good a reason as any to learn a new system instead of be forced to adopt a half-baked one.
So what happens with the existing character sheets does that just get converted to the new ones? I want to keep my character sheets as is especially my late mothers characters that we worked on.
Not sure yet, how the changes being proposed for the character sheets is going to affect them. I'd recommend making pdfs of the characters and storing them on your laptop/computer hard drive just to err on the side of caution. That way you have a hard copy of the original to refer to.
What happens if you are mid-campaign with existing content in this model? Did anyone explore the impact on actual players of this decision? I don’t want to open my character sheet and have a different Spellbook in the middle of an ongoing campaign personally, and I assume a lot of other people would feel the same.
I want to add to my previous frustrated feedback that, honestly, most of the changelog is fine to me. Classes, subclasses, species, backgrounds, feats, and even monsters get a legacy tag, still accessible, great! I even get having just the updated rules for things like exhaustion; I typically had to go look those up in the book anyway, so I don't mind. That all sounds fine for the most part.
But why exclude spells and magic items? Why did the effort to keep legacy content available only go so far? Was it an issue of double-listing things? It seems like there could've been an overhaul that yes, would've been more work initially, but would be better for this transition and player satisfaction in the long run. At the very least this is creating an impression that people are losing a lot of things they paid for access to (an arguable point, seeing as the old books will still exist, but at the very least the impression is there, and it's bad). Just a very weird choice that needs explanation.
You only need to add a version ID to the database entry for these things and let the players decide. Unless the idea is to force us into the new content.
In either case, I'm strongly considering unsubscribing.
Thanks for the update! When this goes live I'll be able to cancel my Master Tier Subscription I've had for years, because the whole reason I paid all this money for access to this content was to make it easier for my players to build and track characters in 5e.
Now your site is worthless for that.
Why wait? Cancel your auto-renew now so they know how badly they've ****ed this up because that's what wotc/hasbro will notice. You'll still have access for the time you've already paid for but they'll see the flood of cancelled auto subscriptions.
Because I want to make it clear that this move is the reason I cancelled. I want the statistics to show that staring in Sept, accounts began cancelling their subs once they realized the content they needed for their campaigns was altered without any recourse.
Thanks for the update! When this goes live I'll be able to cancel my Master Tier Subscription I've had for years, because the whole reason I paid all this money for access to this content was to make it easier for my players to build and track characters in 5e.
Now your site is worthless for that.
Why wait? Cancel your auto-renew now so they know how badly they've ****ed this up because that's what wotc/hasbro will notice. You'll still have access for the time you've already paid for but they'll see the flood of cancelled auto subscriptions.
Because I want to make it clear that this move is the reason I cancelled. I want the statistics to show that staring in Sept, accounts began cancelling their subs once they realized the content they needed for their campaigns was altered without any recourse.
I'm petty, okay?
When you cancel, you're asked to list a cancellation reason, and it gives you a field you can type into. You can be very clear why you're cancelling while still doing it with enough lead time that just maybe this gets fixed. I certainly was.
Thanks for the update! When this goes live I'll be able to cancel my Master Tier Subscription I've had for years, because the whole reason I paid all this money for access to this content was to make it easier for my players to build and track characters in 5e.
Now your site is worthless for that.
Yeah, I'm thinking of downgrading to hero tier at the very least, if not cancelling my subscription. Will see after the 2024 material launches as to which path I will take.
Why wait? Cancel your auto-renew now so they know how badly they've ****ed this up because that's what wotc/hasbro will notice. You'll still have access for the time you've already paid for but they'll see the flood of cancelled auto subscriptions.
Yeah! I DM two ongoing campaigns and play in a third, all using 2014 rules with no desire or intent to change. This is stupid.
Enigmagtic, Entertaining, Informative, Lobsterly.
Yeah, but if they don't make it super inconvenient for us we'll be less likely to buy the new books.
I also would like to voice my displeasure after four years of using this site. I do think the solution that TherealCarian is the more common sense route. DDB I beg you to do this. I’m in the middle of two campaigns (one of which I am running) and the changes that you are forcing will mess up EVERYTHING. I’ve put a lot of money into this site on master tier and I do not appreciate the bait and switch. I do not want to leave but if this screws up my campaigns I will and my whole group will likely follow.
Please consider TherealCarian‘s idea.
I don't see why, like so many others have said here, a switch can't be made to switch between the 2014 and 2024 rules for those who aren't ready to switch over yet. I am a player in a long standing campaign and share my content via my master tier with the other players and DM. Most of the players in the campaign are new players who are still learning the 2014 rules, and having to completely start over may put them off completely from the game. If the code exists for all of the old spells, they can easily keep them somewhere so the burden of rewriting it as homebrew is not put on us as players and DMs. This may make my players and I transfer to another platform to finish our campaign and for any future games.
Is it possible to reinstate your subscription if you cancel it?
Do even though I was planning on not buying or using any of the 2024 content it's still replacing my 2014 content?
Pretty much. I'd suggest reading through the current changelog for details as to what they are planning to change on the website.
So what happens with the existing character sheets does that just get converted to the new ones? I want to keep my character sheets as is especially my late mothers characters that we worked on.
Probably the people who paid for it in the first place? I for one don't appreciate this unilateral decision to prevent paying customers from accessing the content they paid for and then, presumably, charging them again just to use a newer version of those spells.
Yep. This is the straw that makes me unsubscribe. I've spent well over $1k worth of material from this site and been a master tier subscriber for years. The way this site is run oozes of greed and distain for its customer base. I've been interested in Pathfinder 2e for a while now and this is as good a reason as any to learn a new system instead of be forced to adopt a half-baked one.
Not sure yet, how the changes being proposed for the character sheets is going to affect them. I'd recommend making pdfs of the characters and storing them on your laptop/computer hard drive just to err on the side of caution. That way you have a hard copy of the original to refer to.
Subscription cancelled.
What happens if you are mid-campaign with existing content in this model? Did anyone explore the impact on actual players of this decision? I don’t want to open my character sheet and have a different Spellbook in the middle of an ongoing campaign personally, and I assume a lot of other people would feel the same.
legacy tag seemed to work fine
I want to add to my previous frustrated feedback that, honestly, most of the changelog is fine to me. Classes, subclasses, species, backgrounds, feats, and even monsters get a legacy tag, still accessible, great! I even get having just the updated rules for things like exhaustion; I typically had to go look those up in the book anyway, so I don't mind. That all sounds fine for the most part.
But why exclude spells and magic items? Why did the effort to keep legacy content available only go so far? Was it an issue of double-listing things? It seems like there could've been an overhaul that yes, would've been more work initially, but would be better for this transition and player satisfaction in the long run. At the very least this is creating an impression that people are losing a lot of things they paid for access to (an arguable point, seeing as the old books will still exist, but at the very least the impression is there, and it's bad). Just a very weird choice that needs explanation.
What a crock.
You only need to add a version ID to the database entry for these things and let the players decide. Unless the idea is to force us into the new content.
In either case, I'm strongly considering unsubscribing.
Because I want to make it clear that this move is the reason I cancelled. I want the statistics to show that staring in Sept, accounts began cancelling their subs once they realized the content they needed for their campaigns was altered without any recourse.
I'm petty, okay?
When you cancel, you're asked to list a cancellation reason, and it gives you a field you can type into. You can be very clear why you're cancelling while still doing it with enough lead time that just maybe this gets fixed. I certainly was.