One more Ugly thing Beyond did is - Big sale not so long ago. Imagine Doing a sale on 5e content and then after a bit telling all the people who bought the books on sale that your books are WORTHLESS! We got you! Ha Ha! You thought you were buying stuff for cheap and will be able to use! Well guess what! You`re not! Ha! Now so long sucker! Your money is now ours!
This is inaccurate. The 2014 stuff isn't going away. Some character sheet functionality is being updated to 2024 but all the 2014 stuff is still fully useable outside of DDB AND most of it is still useable in DDB. It's compatible with the 2024 update.
Toolset content is explicitly part of what was purchased during the sale. That is now being removed. It is an outright lie to say that "The 2014 stuff isn't going away".
No, it's an outright lie to say it is going away. Even using your definition, only part of it is going away, which is exactly what I said. You have no standing to call me a liar.
If you prefer, saying "The 2014 stuff isn't going away" is a totally misleading statement to imply that you can continue using the 2014 rules, to the point that anyone reading it would feel lied to.
In actuality most of the "2014" stuff is being removed or rendered unusable, and it will be impossible to play under 2014 rules.
Again, that's completely inaccurate.
If I make a new character on 9/3, I'll be able to pick a 2014 class or a 2024 class, so classes didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 subclass or 2024 subclass so subclasses didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick 2014 feats or 2024 feats so feats didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 species or a 2024 species so those didn't go anywhere either. All that content that was purchased is COMPLETELY accessible.
Furthermore, if I bought adventures, they're still accessible, the monsters from those adventures are still accessible, the player options from those adventures are still accessible.
The ONLY things that are not accessible according to the changelog are a subset of things that are being updated to the 2024 versions, namely spell descriptions and rule definitions.
So tell me again how I'm a liar when I say that you have access to nearly everything you purchased during the sale.
thing is if you pick a 2014 warlock and you get your invocations you will receive the 2024 spells and currently there is now way to homebrew the spells in to the invocations, so there will be no way to play a pure 2014 warlock therefor the class is broken in the since that they said we would be able to play our 2014 characters. this is all according to the sheets on beyond but thats what we all payed for and if we only wanted access in the compendium there used to be a way to buy books that way for a heavy discount. but they removed that because they knew this change was coming
And I never said otherwise.
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There might be a bit of a Catch-22 in that if WotC both enforces it's copyrights in prohibiting copying of 2014 content directly into Homebrew, then they can't argue that Homebrew provides a means by which a customer can use their toolset with the digital books that the customer purchased. But I'm not a lawyer. That said, I've worked on a SW project that provided database information to customers, and the first thing we did was figure out how to make sure the customers had access to the version and features of the data that they had purchased, and not access to that which they had not purchased, because F*CKING DUH, if you're selling data, you provide the data you sold (and there were excellent legal reasons for doing so). Also ironically, as I've been checking with my various gaming groups, I can't cancel my subscription at this point - there's too many folks relying on it, and the consensus seems to be "ride it out until we switch systems" (that's fine - it renewed in May, and maybe in 9 months or so they'll fix things). Also anecdotally, the master DM at the local game store (organizes about a dozen ongoing campaigns with various DMs) announced her retirement from D&D this weekend. Coincidence, I'm sure.
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This is one of my concerns too, If I cant even HB the spells and items, i have essentially wasted several hundred pounds to use them as reference documents. I am actually so frustrated by this
Yeeeeh... I've cancelled my subscription. I've had one for a long time because I DM a lot and liked to be able to content share with my players. We are in the middle of campaigns and don't want to change rulesets in the middle. So if the content I paid for is no longer going to be accessible on the character sheets (which is the reason I bought all the books in the first place!) I see no point in continuing.
I had been on the fence about 5.2024, I would have read things when it all came out and likely would have run my next campaign on 5.2024. But with this, plus the OGL issue before I just don't want to and can't support WotC any more. I imagine I am not the only one who feels this way either. I have been playing D&D since 3rd Edition and it looks like I'll be looking at other TTRPG's going forwards because the horror show that has been WotC in recent years is not worth supporting anymore.
Congratulations on alienating your entire fanbase just to try and force people to buy the new 2024 edition.
One more Ugly thing Beyond did is - Big sale not so long ago. Imagine Doing a sale on 5e content and then after a bit telling all the people who bought the books on sale that your books are WORTHLESS! We got you! Ha Ha! You thought you were buying stuff for cheap and will be able to use! Well guess what! You`re not! Ha! Now so long sucker! Your money is now ours!
This is inaccurate. The 2014 stuff isn't going away. Some character sheet functionality is being updated to 2024 but all the 2014 stuff is still fully useable outside of DDB AND most of it is still useable in DDB. It's compatible with the 2024 update.
Toolset content is explicitly part of what was purchased during the sale. That is now being removed. It is an outright lie to say that "The 2014 stuff isn't going away".
No, it's an outright lie to say it is going away. Even using your definition, only part of it is going away, which is exactly what I said. You have no standing to call me a liar.
If you prefer, saying "The 2014 stuff isn't going away" is a totally misleading statement to imply that you can continue using the 2014 rules, to the point that anyone reading it would feel lied to.
In actuality most of the "2014" stuff is being removed or rendered unusable, and it will be impossible to play under 2014 rules.
Again, that's completely inaccurate.
If I make a new character on 9/3, I'll be able to pick a 2014 class or a 2024 class, so classes didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 subclass or 2024 subclass so subclasses didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick 2014 feats or 2024 feats so feats didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 species or a 2024 species so those didn't go anywhere either. All that content that was purchased is COMPLETELY accessible.
Furthermore, if I bought adventures, they're still accessible, the monsters from those adventures are still accessible, the player options from those adventures are still accessible.
The ONLY things that are not accessible according to the changelog are a subset of things that are being updated to the 2024 versions, namely spell descriptions and rule definitions.
So tell me again how I'm a liar when I say that you have access to nearly everything you purchased during the sale.
I cannot use any of the 2014 spells without homebrewing my own copy.
I cannot make a 2014 warlock, as warlock invocations do not grant 2014 spells and cannot be homebrewed.
I cannot play any 2014 spellcaster as the expanded spell lists from TGE do not grant the 2014 spells.
I cannot use any magic item that uses or grants spells, as they do not use or grant 2014 spells, and as far as we know cannot be homebrewed to use or grant homebrew spells.
I cannot use the character sheet itself fully, as all of the rules and references will be changed to 2024 rules.
I cannot use monsters with spellcasting, as while the monsters themselves will be preserved they will only show the new spells.
Even with the compendium, the text will be preserved, but it seems that all the tooltips for spells will show the new version making the whole thing inaccurate & confusing.
And that's just off the top of my head. Reading through the forums we're finding more and more issues all the time.
I know you have been in these threads over the last few days, so you know that this is more than just a few spells. I don't know why you're trying to minimise the effects of these changes, but you are 100% lying to say that "The 2014 stuff isn't going away".
(P.S., if your response is going to be along the lines of "they're not removing the 2014 warlock invocations, just making them completely unusable", then don't bother)
One more Ugly thing Beyond did is - Big sale not so long ago. Imagine Doing a sale on 5e content and then after a bit telling all the people who bought the books on sale that your books are WORTHLESS! We got you! Ha Ha! You thought you were buying stuff for cheap and will be able to use! Well guess what! You`re not! Ha! Now so long sucker! Your money is now ours!
This is inaccurate. The 2014 stuff isn't going away. Some character sheet functionality is being updated to 2024 but all the 2014 stuff is still fully useable outside of DDB AND most of it is still useable in DDB. It's compatible with the 2024 update.
Toolset content is explicitly part of what was purchased during the sale. That is now being removed. It is an outright lie to say that "The 2014 stuff isn't going away".
No, it's an outright lie to say it is going away. Even using your definition, only part of it is going away, which is exactly what I said. You have no standing to call me a liar.
If you prefer, saying "The 2014 stuff isn't going away" is a totally misleading statement to imply that you can continue using the 2014 rules, to the point that anyone reading it would feel lied to.
In actuality most of the "2014" stuff is being removed or rendered unusable, and it will be impossible to play under 2014 rules.
Again, that's completely inaccurate.
If I make a new character on 9/3, I'll be able to pick a 2014 class or a 2024 class, so classes didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 subclass or 2024 subclass so subclasses didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick 2014 feats or 2024 feats so feats didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 species or a 2024 species so those didn't go anywhere either. All that content that was purchased is COMPLETELY accessible.
Furthermore, if I bought adventures, they're still accessible, the monsters from those adventures are still accessible, the player options from those adventures are still accessible.
The ONLY things that are not accessible according to the changelog are a subset of things that are being updated to the 2024 versions, namely spell descriptions and rule definitions.
So tell me again how I'm a liar when I say that you have access to nearly everything you purchased during the sale.
thing is if you pick a 2014 warlock and you get your invocations you will receive the 2024 spells and currently there is now way to homebrew the spells in to the invocations, so there will be no way to play a pure 2014 warlock therefor the class is broken in the since that they said we would be able to play our 2014 characters. this is all according to the sheets on beyond but thats what we all payed for and if we only wanted access in the compendium there used to be a way to buy books that way for a heavy discount. but they removed that because they knew this change was coming
And I never said otherwise.
you said you you would be able to pick a 2014 class [which is true] however the fact this update complete breaks certain classes on the sheets i feel makes that statement misleading. not trying to throw shade just trying to clarify. i do like your idea of a dnd classic i just dont want people misinformed
One more Ugly thing Beyond did is - Big sale not so long ago. Imagine Doing a sale on 5e content and then after a bit telling all the people who bought the books on sale that your books are WORTHLESS! We got you! Ha Ha! You thought you were buying stuff for cheap and will be able to use! Well guess what! You`re not! Ha! Now so long sucker! Your money is now ours!
This is inaccurate. The 2014 stuff isn't going away. Some character sheet functionality is being updated to 2024 but all the 2014 stuff is still fully useable outside of DDB AND most of it is still useable in DDB. It's compatible with the 2024 update.
Toolset content is explicitly part of what was purchased during the sale. That is now being removed. It is an outright lie to say that "The 2014 stuff isn't going away".
No, it's an outright lie to say it is going away. Even using your definition, only part of it is going away, which is exactly what I said. You have no standing to call me a liar.
If you prefer, saying "The 2014 stuff isn't going away" is a totally misleading statement to imply that you can continue using the 2014 rules, to the point that anyone reading it would feel lied to.
In actuality most of the "2014" stuff is being removed or rendered unusable, and it will be impossible to play under 2014 rules.
Again, that's completely inaccurate.
If I make a new character on 9/3, I'll be able to pick a 2014 class or a 2024 class, so classes didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 subclass or 2024 subclass so subclasses didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick 2014 feats or 2024 feats so feats didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 species or a 2024 species so those didn't go anywhere either. All that content that was purchased is COMPLETELY accessible.
Furthermore, if I bought adventures, they're still accessible, the monsters from those adventures are still accessible, the player options from those adventures are still accessible.
The ONLY things that are not accessible according to the changelog are a subset of things that are being updated to the 2024 versions, namely spell descriptions and rule definitions.
So tell me again how I'm a liar when I say that you have access to nearly everything you purchased during the sale.
I cannot use any of the 2014 spells without homebrewing my own copy.
I cannot make a 2014 warlock, as warlock invocations do not grant 2014 spells and cannot be homebrewed.
I cannot play any 2014 spellcaster as the expanded spell lists from TGE do not grant the 2014 spells.
I cannot use any magic item that uses or grants spells, as they do not use or grant 2014 spells, and as far as we know cannot be homebrewed to use or grant homebrew spells.
I cannot use the character sheet itself fully, as all of the rules and references will be changed to 2024 rules.
I cannot use monsters with spellcasting, as while the monsters themselves will be preserved they will only show the new spells.
Even with the compendium, the text will be preserved, but it seems that all the tooltips for spells will show the new version making the whole thing inaccurate & confusing.
And that's just off the top of my head. Reading through the forums we're finding more and more issues all the time.
I know you have been in these threads over the last few days, so you know that this is more than just a few spells. I don't know why you're trying to minimise the effects of these changes, but you are 100% lying to say that "The 2014 stuff isn't going away".
(P.S., if your response is going to be along the lines of "they're not removing the 2014 warlock invocations, just making them completely unusable", then don't bother)
I'm pointing out that the 2014 content folks purchased in the big sale that was such a dirty deed because of all this is actually still accessible with the noted exceptions, thus claiming malice on the part of DDB having a sale is disingenuous, and you're calling me a liar.
Also, you're coming at it from the angle of trying to play 2014 rules and I'm coming at it from the angle of all this stuff is still usable AFTER the update in 2024 land, just like WotC said it would be. I did not minimize the issues with the 2014 situation at all.
But you resort to personal attacks so I'm done.
I've been advocating solutions and trying to squash the BS flying around this thread but nearly everyone just wants to throw tantrums and insult what they disagree with so have at it.
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"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
One more Ugly thing Beyond did is - Big sale not so long ago. Imagine Doing a sale on 5e content and then after a bit telling all the people who bought the books on sale that your books are WORTHLESS! We got you! Ha Ha! You thought you were buying stuff for cheap and will be able to use! Well guess what! You`re not! Ha! Now so long sucker! Your money is now ours!
This is inaccurate. The 2014 stuff isn't going away. Some character sheet functionality is being updated to 2024 but all the 2014 stuff is still fully useable outside of DDB AND most of it is still useable in DDB. It's compatible with the 2024 update.
Toolset content is explicitly part of what was purchased during the sale. That is now being removed. It is an outright lie to say that "The 2014 stuff isn't going away".
No, it's an outright lie to say it is going away. Even using your definition, only part of it is going away, which is exactly what I said. You have no standing to call me a liar.
If you prefer, saying "The 2014 stuff isn't going away" is a totally misleading statement to imply that you can continue using the 2014 rules, to the point that anyone reading it would feel lied to.
In actuality most of the "2014" stuff is being removed or rendered unusable, and it will be impossible to play under 2014 rules.
Again, that's completely inaccurate.
If I make a new character on 9/3, I'll be able to pick a 2014 class or a 2024 class, so classes didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 subclass or 2024 subclass so subclasses didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick 2014 feats or 2024 feats so feats didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 species or a 2024 species so those didn't go anywhere either. All that content that was purchased is COMPLETELY accessible.
Furthermore, if I bought adventures, they're still accessible, the monsters from those adventures are still accessible, the player options from those adventures are still accessible.
The ONLY things that are not accessible according to the changelog are a subset of things that are being updated to the 2024 versions, namely spell descriptions and rule definitions.
So tell me again how I'm a liar when I say that you have access to nearly everything you purchased during the sale.
I cannot use any of the 2014 spells without homebrewing my own copy.
I cannot make a 2014 warlock, as warlock invocations do not grant 2014 spells and cannot be homebrewed.
I cannot play any 2014 spellcaster as the expanded spell lists from TGE do not grant the 2014 spells.
I cannot use any magic item that uses or grants spells, as they do not use or grant 2014 spells, and as far as we know cannot be homebrewed to use or grant homebrew spells.
I cannot use the character sheet itself fully, as all of the rules and references will be changed to 2024 rules.
I cannot use monsters with spellcasting, as while the monsters themselves will be preserved they will only show the new spells.
Even with the compendium, the text will be preserved, but it seems that all the tooltips for spells will show the new version making the whole thing inaccurate & confusing.
And that's just off the top of my head. Reading through the forums we're finding more and more issues all the time.
I know you have been in these threads over the last few days, so you know that this is more than just a few spells. I don't know why you're trying to minimise the effects of these changes, but you are 100% lying to say that "The 2014 stuff isn't going away".
(P.S., if your response is going to be along the lines of "they're not removing the 2014 warlock invocations, just making them completely unusable", then don't bother)
this also breaks clerics getting there spells that cant be homebrewed and also breaks tashas additional spells that cant be homebrewed just so you know
One more Ugly thing Beyond did is - Big sale not so long ago. Imagine Doing a sale on 5e content and then after a bit telling all the people who bought the books on sale that your books are WORTHLESS! We got you! Ha Ha! You thought you were buying stuff for cheap and will be able to use! Well guess what! You`re not! Ha! Now so long sucker! Your money is now ours!
This is inaccurate. The 2014 stuff isn't going away. Some character sheet functionality is being updated to 2024 but all the 2014 stuff is still fully useable outside of DDB AND most of it is still useable in DDB. It's compatible with the 2024 update.
Toolset content is explicitly part of what was purchased during the sale. That is now being removed. It is an outright lie to say that "The 2014 stuff isn't going away".
No, it's an outright lie to say it is going away. Even using your definition, only part of it is going away, which is exactly what I said. You have no standing to call me a liar.
If you prefer, saying "The 2014 stuff isn't going away" is a totally misleading statement to imply that you can continue using the 2014 rules, to the point that anyone reading it would feel lied to.
In actuality most of the "2014" stuff is being removed or rendered unusable, and it will be impossible to play under 2014 rules.
Again, that's completely inaccurate.
If I make a new character on 9/3, I'll be able to pick a 2014 class or a 2024 class, so classes didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 subclass or 2024 subclass so subclasses didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick 2014 feats or 2024 feats so feats didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 species or a 2024 species so those didn't go anywhere either. All that content that was purchased is COMPLETELY accessible.
Furthermore, if I bought adventures, they're still accessible, the monsters from those adventures are still accessible, the player options from those adventures are still accessible.
The ONLY things that are not accessible according to the changelog are a subset of things that are being updated to the 2024 versions, namely spell descriptions and rule definitions.
So tell me again how I'm a liar when I say that you have access to nearly everything you purchased during the sale.
thing is if you pick a 2014 warlock and you get your invocations you will receive the 2024 spells and currently there is now way to homebrew the spells in to the invocations, so there will be no way to play a pure 2014 warlock therefor the class is broken in the since that they said we would be able to play our 2014 characters. this is all according to the sheets on beyond but thats what we all payed for and if we only wanted access in the compendium there used to be a way to buy books that way for a heavy discount. but they removed that because they knew this change was coming
And I never said otherwise.
you said you you would be able to pick a 2014 class [which is true] however the fact this update complete breaks certain classes on the sheets i feel makes that statement misleading. not trying to throw shade just trying to clarify. i do like your idea of a dnd classic i just dont want people misinformed
It breaks them if you're trying to play with 2014 rules. It does not break them in the least if you're playing with the 2024 update and I did not claim otherwise, thus there was no misinformation provided.
But thanks for your clarification.
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Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
One more Ugly thing Beyond did is - Big sale not so long ago. Imagine Doing a sale on 5e content and then after a bit telling all the people who bought the books on sale that your books are WORTHLESS! We got you! Ha Ha! You thought you were buying stuff for cheap and will be able to use! Well guess what! You`re not! Ha! Now so long sucker! Your money is now ours!
This is inaccurate. The 2014 stuff isn't going away. Some character sheet functionality is being updated to 2024 but all the 2014 stuff is still fully useable outside of DDB AND most of it is still useable in DDB. It's compatible with the 2024 update.
Toolset content is explicitly part of what was purchased during the sale. That is now being removed. It is an outright lie to say that "The 2014 stuff isn't going away".
No, it's an outright lie to say it is going away. Even using your definition, only part of it is going away, which is exactly what I said. You have no standing to call me a liar.
If you prefer, saying "The 2014 stuff isn't going away" is a totally misleading statement to imply that you can continue using the 2014 rules, to the point that anyone reading it would feel lied to.
In actuality most of the "2014" stuff is being removed or rendered unusable, and it will be impossible to play under 2014 rules.
Again, that's completely inaccurate.
If I make a new character on 9/3, I'll be able to pick a 2014 class or a 2024 class, so classes didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 subclass or 2024 subclass so subclasses didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick 2014 feats or 2024 feats so feats didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 species or a 2024 species so those didn't go anywhere either. All that content that was purchased is COMPLETELY accessible.
Furthermore, if I bought adventures, they're still accessible, the monsters from those adventures are still accessible, the player options from those adventures are still accessible.
The ONLY things that are not accessible according to the changelog are a subset of things that are being updated to the 2024 versions, namely spell descriptions and rule definitions.
So tell me again how I'm a liar when I say that you have access to nearly everything you purchased during the sale.
I cannot use any of the 2014 spells without homebrewing my own copy.
I cannot make a 2014 warlock, as warlock invocations do not grant 2014 spells and cannot be homebrewed.
I cannot play any 2014 spellcaster as the expanded spell lists from TGE do not grant the 2014 spells.
I cannot use any magic item that uses or grants spells, as they do not use or grant 2014 spells, and as far as we know cannot be homebrewed to use or grant homebrew spells.
I cannot use the character sheet itself fully, as all of the rules and references will be changed to 2024 rules.
I cannot use monsters with spellcasting, as while the monsters themselves will be preserved they will only show the new spells.
Even with the compendium, the text will be preserved, but it seems that all the tooltips for spells will show the new version making the whole thing inaccurate & confusing.
And that's just off the top of my head. Reading through the forums we're finding more and more issues all the time.
I know you have been in these threads over the last few days, so you know that this is more than just a few spells. I don't know why you're trying to minimise the effects of these changes, but you are 100% lying to say that "The 2014 stuff isn't going away".
(P.S., if your response is going to be along the lines of "they're not removing the 2014 warlock invocations, just making them completely unusable", then don't bother)
wotc/hasbro/dndbeyond staff
What solution will be provided for the issues with character classes raised in this post? We can't homebrew fix it.
One more Ugly thing Beyond did is - Big sale not so long ago. Imagine Doing a sale on 5e content and then after a bit telling all the people who bought the books on sale that your books are WORTHLESS! We got you! Ha Ha! You thought you were buying stuff for cheap and will be able to use! Well guess what! You`re not! Ha! Now so long sucker! Your money is now ours!
This is inaccurate. The 2014 stuff isn't going away. Some character sheet functionality is being updated to 2024 but all the 2014 stuff is still fully useable outside of DDB AND most of it is still useable in DDB. It's compatible with the 2024 update.
Toolset content is explicitly part of what was purchased during the sale. That is now being removed. It is an outright lie to say that "The 2014 stuff isn't going away".
No, it's an outright lie to say it is going away. Even using your definition, only part of it is going away, which is exactly what I said. You have no standing to call me a liar.
If you prefer, saying "The 2014 stuff isn't going away" is a totally misleading statement to imply that you can continue using the 2014 rules, to the point that anyone reading it would feel lied to.
In actuality most of the "2014" stuff is being removed or rendered unusable, and it will be impossible to play under 2014 rules.
Again, that's completely inaccurate.
If I make a new character on 9/3, I'll be able to pick a 2014 class or a 2024 class, so classes didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 subclass or 2024 subclass so subclasses didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick 2014 feats or 2024 feats so feats didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 species or a 2024 species so those didn't go anywhere either. All that content that was purchased is COMPLETELY accessible.
Furthermore, if I bought adventures, they're still accessible, the monsters from those adventures are still accessible, the player options from those adventures are still accessible.
The ONLY things that are not accessible according to the changelog are a subset of things that are being updated to the 2024 versions, namely spell descriptions and rule definitions.
So tell me again how I'm a liar when I say that you have access to nearly everything you purchased during the sale.
thing is if you pick a 2014 warlock and you get your invocations you will receive the 2024 spells and currently there is now way to homebrew the spells in to the invocations, so there will be no way to play a pure 2014 warlock therefor the class is broken in the since that they said we would be able to play our 2014 characters. this is all according to the sheets on beyond but thats what we all payed for and if we only wanted access in the compendium there used to be a way to buy books that way for a heavy discount. but they removed that because they knew this change was coming
And I never said otherwise.
you said you you would be able to pick a 2014 class [which is true] however the fact this update complete breaks certain classes on the sheets i feel makes that statement misleading. not trying to throw shade just trying to clarify. i do like your idea of a dnd classic i just dont want people misinformed
It breaks them if you're trying to play with 2014 rules. It does not break them in the least if you're playing with the 2024 update and I did not claim otherwise, thus there was no misinformation provided.
But thanks for your clarification.
99% of people in this thread DOESNT CARE ABOUT 2024 RULES! WE ONLY CARE ABOUT 2014 RULES! THATS IT! And we are saying that Beyond and WoTC and Hasbro Are killing 2014 rules for there GREED to shove people throats 2024 rules. WE WANT FULL SUPPORT OF 2014 RULES IN CHARACTER SHEET! No need to tell us about 2024 rules. People paid money for 2014 rules!
Why do people keep saying "90% of spells are the same" or "It's only a few spells that have changed" or "Just a few dozen."
This does not appear to be true.
According to a reputable source, there are 106 spells that have been mechanically changed in some way. (From what I can see here)
On top of that, in order to effectively restore your access to these original versions of spells and their functionality in the character sheet, you would not only need to homebrew these spells manually, you would also need to homebrew the following features: (As mentioned elsewhere in this thread by WolfmanRIP)
Every subclass that grants spells needs to be homebrewed
Every item that grants spells needs to be homebrewed
Every warlock invocation that grants spells - these cannot be homebrewed and will not be usable with 2014 rules
Every class that grants extra spells (mainly through the Tasha's expanded spell lists) - as far as I know these also cannot be homebrewed so will be unusable.
Every monster that casts spells will need to be homebrewed
(Adding one of my own here) Every mundane and magical item that is being changed with the new ruleset (the numbers of which are as of yet unknown)
Which is, of course, to speak nothing about the actual monetary value that every single person who has purchased digital rulebooks from D&D Beyond is losing out on.
It's been argued ad nauseam but we say it louder for the people in the back.
The vast majority of those upset feel they have been wronged because when they purchased the digital copies of these books, they bought into an agreement, understanding, promise, whatever you wish to call it, that they would be able to utilize this content, AS STATED IN THE PRODUCT DETAILS TO THIS VERY DAY, within D&D Beyond's "Digital Toolset".
When this functionality is removed from the site, those of us who specifically purchased access to use this content in the Digital Toolset will effectively have the primary purpose of our purchases ripped away from us. This is what we find unacceptable. This is what we find objectionable.
We recognize that there are people who are happy to receive these updates for free. We understand that they see this as 'getting something instead of nothing'.
But WE DO NOT SEE IT THE SAME WAY. It is clear, if you take just a brief glance around the various D&D communities around the internet that a significant majority of discourse centers around the fact that we FIND LITTLE TO NO VALUE IN THE 2024 RULESET that we will be receiving because we DID NOT ASK FOR IT AND DO NOT WANT TO USE IT.
The decisions by whatever powers that be to take a Profit focused approach (Because it is very clear that this is a push to 'encourage' long-standing members of the D&D Beyond community to spend even more money buying into updated systems they do not want or need by cutting off their access to the Digital Toolset they have already paid to use), is predatory, insulting, and a betrayal of their userbase.
What would we like to be done about it?
I would hope the answer to that question would be obvious.
Must-Have: - Creating a duplicate database for the 2014 content that, upon character/campaign creation, can be selected, via a toggle, dropdown menu, etc, as the primary ruleset for said character/campaign which would allow new and existing 5e characters and campaigns to proceed unchanged. Would be Nice: - Develop a system to migrate existing 2014 characters/campaigns to the updated 2024 ruleset for those who wish to opt-in to the new rules in the future. Pipe-Dream: - Assurances that support for 2014 content within the Digital Toolset will be protected for as long as a significant portion (Can be defined later) of the userbase of D&D Beyond still utilizes the game-system.
Please Note:I, by no means, speak for everyone who is upset by these changes, but I have seen a significant amount of people making these statements all across the internet.
If I have missed something, or misrepresented something, it is not due to intentional malice, and is very likely due to my own incompetency.
Dndbeyond staff / Wotc / Hasbro. The above post outlines the complaints from the 1000+ of comments here.
Your community needs you to address this and take positive actions to remedy these issues.
The issue is people want to use the rules they paid for. not be forced to use the new rules they either don't like or aren't ready to use because of currently running games and campaigns that are balanced for the 2014 rules and such. All WotC and dndbeyond have to do is add an option when making character and campaigns to pick the version of the game you want to use. either 2014 or 2024. This update should be postponed until they can do that.
The reality is you have no idea what the percentage is, for the exact reason you stated, that unhappy people talk more about it. Your own argument makes your statement irrelevant.
The reality is you have no idea what the percentage is, for the exact reason you stated, that unhappy people talk more about it. Your own argument makes your statement irrelevant.
On the flip side, this doesn't have nearly as much exposure as it's about to in just over a week.
One more Ugly thing Beyond did is - Big sale not so long ago. Imagine Doing a sale on 5e content and then after a bit telling all the people who bought the books on sale that your books are WORTHLESS! We got you! Ha Ha! You thought you were buying stuff for cheap and will be able to use! Well guess what! You`re not! Ha! Now so long sucker! Your money is now ours!
This is inaccurate. The 2014 stuff isn't going away. Some character sheet functionality is being updated to 2024 but all the 2014 stuff is still fully useable outside of DDB AND most of it is still useable in DDB. It's compatible with the 2024 update.
Toolset content is explicitly part of what was purchased during the sale. That is now being removed. It is an outright lie to say that "The 2014 stuff isn't going away".
No, it's an outright lie to say it is going away. Even using your definition, only part of it is going away, which is exactly what I said. You have no standing to call me a liar.
If you prefer, saying "The 2014 stuff isn't going away" is a totally misleading statement to imply that you can continue using the 2014 rules, to the point that anyone reading it would feel lied to.
In actuality most of the "2014" stuff is being removed or rendered unusable, and it will be impossible to play under 2014 rules.
Again, that's completely inaccurate.
If I make a new character on 9/3, I'll be able to pick a 2014 class or a 2024 class, so classes didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 subclass or 2024 subclass so subclasses didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick 2014 feats or 2024 feats so feats didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 species or a 2024 species so those didn't go anywhere either. All that content that was purchased is COMPLETELY accessible.
Furthermore, if I bought adventures, they're still accessible, the monsters from those adventures are still accessible, the player options from those adventures are still accessible.
The ONLY things that are not accessible according to the changelog are a subset of things that are being updated to the 2024 versions, namely spell descriptions and rule definitions.
So tell me again how I'm a liar when I say that you have access to nearly everything you purchased during the sale.
True, you'll be able to choose the 2014 options, and even use 2014 spells if you homebrewed them before 9/3 when the changes are being instituted, but there are features IN THAT MATERIAL that will be affected by the addition of the 2024 material that CAN'T be homebrewed. Rule changes, such as Hide and Sneak Attack, just to use those as examples, will now appear on the character sheets with the 2024 text. Some of the subclasses will also be adversely affected, making them essentially unusable as 2014 subclasses on the character sheets. By doing so it alters the character sheets from a purely 2014 content character to an amalgamation of 2014/2024-something many working with 2014 do not want. Trying to use a 2014-based Warlock character sheet will become impossible since there is no way to use the 2014 invocations anymore. They will only have the 2024 invocations, and those can't be homebrewed.
A half-truth may not be lying, but it isn't totally correct either.
This is a horrible unworkable implementation. We will no longer be able to continue playing our 5e campaign in D&D Beyond because our character sheets will no longer have access to those rules. I paid for these products with the understanding that they will still be supported on this site. If this is the implementation you pursue without soliciting or listening to any community feedback I guarantee a boycott and class action lawsuit are coming your way.
The reality is you have no idea what the percentage is, for the exact reason you stated, that unhappy people talk more about it. Your own argument makes your statement irrelevant.
this thread had more replies on it than any other thread since the thread about the ddb beta and in only like 2 days not only that if i go by the people i personally know most are oppose to this change so i have a pretty good idea that this is not a small group of disgruntled players and i can not fathom that the majority of people on this site that spent money on the 2014 books could be happy that any content of those books being taken away
One more Ugly thing Beyond did is - Big sale not so long ago. Imagine Doing a sale on 5e content and then after a bit telling all the people who bought the books on sale that your books are WORTHLESS! We got you! Ha Ha! You thought you were buying stuff for cheap and will be able to use! Well guess what! You`re not! Ha! Now so long sucker! Your money is now ours!
This is inaccurate. The 2014 stuff isn't going away. Some character sheet functionality is being updated to 2024 but all the 2014 stuff is still fully useable outside of DDB AND most of it is still useable in DDB. It's compatible with the 2024 update.
Toolset content is explicitly part of what was purchased during the sale. That is now being removed. It is an outright lie to say that "The 2014 stuff isn't going away".
No, it's an outright lie to say it is going away. Even using your definition, only part of it is going away, which is exactly what I said. You have no standing to call me a liar.
If you prefer, saying "The 2014 stuff isn't going away" is a totally misleading statement to imply that you can continue using the 2014 rules, to the point that anyone reading it would feel lied to.
In actuality most of the "2014" stuff is being removed or rendered unusable, and it will be impossible to play under 2014 rules.
Again, that's completely inaccurate.
If I make a new character on 9/3, I'll be able to pick a 2014 class or a 2024 class, so classes didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 subclass or 2024 subclass so subclasses didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick 2014 feats or 2024 feats so feats didn't go anywhere.... I'll be able to pick a 2014 species or a 2024 species so those didn't go anywhere either. All that content that was purchased is COMPLETELY accessible.
Furthermore, if I bought adventures, they're still accessible, the monsters from those adventures are still accessible, the player options from those adventures are still accessible.
The ONLY things that are not accessible according to the changelog are a subset of things that are being updated to the 2024 versions, namely spell descriptions and rule definitions.
So tell me again how I'm a liar when I say that you have access to nearly everything you purchased during the sale.
True, you'll be able to choose the 2014 options, and even use 2014 spells if you homebrewed them before 9/3 when the changes are being instituted, but there are features IN THAT MATERIAL that will be affected by the addition of the 2024 material that CAN'T be homebrewed. Rule changes, such as Hide and Sneak Attack, just to use those as examples, will now appear on the character sheets with the 2024 text. Some of the subclasses will also be adversely affected, making them essentially unusable as 2014 subclasses on the character sheets. By doing so it alters the character sheets from a purely 2014 content character to an amalgamation of 2014/2024-something many working with 2014 do not want. Trying to use a 2014-based Warlock character sheet will become impossible since there is no way to use the 2014 invocations anymore. They will only have the 2024 invocations, and those can't be homebrewed.
A half-truth may not be lying, but it isn't totally correct either.
Where have we seen that Sneak Attack and the Invocations themselves won't be usable in their current state? Both are class features of 2014 and shouldn't be going anywhere. The Invocation issue has always been specifically that any spells they grant will point to the 2024 versions of the spells.
Similarly, Battle Master Fighter should be fine.
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And I never said otherwise.
Grant K. Smith
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Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
This is one of my concerns too, If I cant even HB the spells and items, i have essentially wasted several hundred pounds to use them as reference documents. I am actually so frustrated by this
Yeeeeh... I've cancelled my subscription. I've had one for a long time because I DM a lot and liked to be able to content share with my players. We are in the middle of campaigns and don't want to change rulesets in the middle. So if the content I paid for is no longer going to be accessible on the character sheets (which is the reason I bought all the books in the first place!) I see no point in continuing.
I had been on the fence about 5.2024, I would have read things when it all came out and likely would have run my next campaign on 5.2024. But with this, plus the OGL issue before I just don't want to and can't support WotC any more. I imagine I am not the only one who feels this way either. I have been playing D&D since 3rd Edition and it looks like I'll be looking at other TTRPG's going forwards because the horror show that has been WotC in recent years is not worth supporting anymore.
Congratulations on alienating your entire fanbase just to try and force people to buy the new 2024 edition.
Well done, WOTC, screwing up people’s games mid-campaign.
My group uses DDB and Avrae. It looks like we now have to switch to Roll20.
It would have been easy to setup a toggle to switch between 5 and 5.5.
And that's just off the top of my head. Reading through the forums we're finding more and more issues all the time.
I know you have been in these threads over the last few days, so you know that this is more than just a few spells. I don't know why you're trying to minimise the effects of these changes, but you are 100% lying to say that "The 2014 stuff isn't going away".
(P.S., if your response is going to be along the lines of "they're not removing the 2014 warlock invocations, just making them completely unusable", then don't bother)
you said you you would be able to pick a 2014 class [which is true] however the fact this update complete breaks certain classes on the sheets i feel makes that statement misleading. not trying to throw shade just trying to clarify. i do like your idea of a dnd classic i just dont want people misinformed
I'm pointing out that the 2014 content folks purchased in the big sale that was such a dirty deed because of all this is actually still accessible with the noted exceptions, thus claiming malice on the part of DDB having a sale is disingenuous, and you're calling me a liar.
Also, you're coming at it from the angle of trying to play 2014 rules and I'm coming at it from the angle of all this stuff is still usable AFTER the update in 2024 land, just like WotC said it would be. I did not minimize the issues with the 2014 situation at all.
But you resort to personal attacks so I'm done.
I've been advocating solutions and trying to squash the BS flying around this thread but nearly everyone just wants to throw tantrums and insult what they disagree with so have at it.
Grant K. Smith
A+, Network+, MCP x 2, BSIT/VC, MIS
Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
this also breaks clerics getting there spells that cant be homebrewed and also breaks tashas additional spells that cant be homebrewed just so you know
It breaks them if you're trying to play with 2014 rules. It does not break them in the least if you're playing with the 2024 update and I did not claim otherwise, thus there was no misinformation provided.
But thanks for your clarification.
Grant K. Smith
A+, Network+, MCP x 2, BSIT/VC, MIS
Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
wotc/hasbro/dndbeyond staff
What solution will be provided for the issues with character classes raised in this post? We can't homebrew fix it.
99% of people in this thread DOESNT CARE ABOUT 2024 RULES! WE ONLY CARE ABOUT 2014 RULES! THATS IT! And we are saying that Beyond and WoTC and Hasbro Are killing 2014 rules for there GREED to shove people throats 2024 rules. WE WANT FULL SUPPORT OF 2014 RULES IN CHARACTER SHEET! No need to tell us about 2024 rules. People paid money for 2014 rules!
Dndbeyond staff / Wotc / Hasbro. The above post outlines the complaints from the 1000+ of comments here.
Your community needs you to address this and take positive actions to remedy these issues.
The issue is people want to use the rules they paid for. not be forced to use the new rules they either don't like or aren't ready to use because of currently running games and campaigns that are balanced for the 2014 rules and such. All WotC and dndbeyond have to do is add an option when making character and campaigns to pick the version of the game you want to use. either 2014 or 2024. This update should be postponed until they can do that.
Just a Dragonborn looking for games to play.
Oh well Dicecloud and Gsheets to the rescue!
The reality is you have no idea what the percentage is, for the exact reason you stated, that unhappy people talk more about it. Your own argument makes your statement irrelevant.
On the flip side, this doesn't have nearly as much exposure as it's about to in just over a week.
True, you'll be able to choose the 2014 options, and even use 2014 spells if you homebrewed them before 9/3 when the changes are being instituted, but there are features IN THAT MATERIAL that will be affected by the addition of the 2024 material that CAN'T be homebrewed. Rule changes, such as Hide and Sneak Attack, just to use those as examples, will now appear on the character sheets with the 2024 text. Some of the subclasses will also be adversely affected, making them essentially unusable as 2014 subclasses on the character sheets. By doing so it alters the character sheets from a purely 2014 content character to an amalgamation of 2014/2024-something many working with 2014 do not want. Trying to use a 2014-based Warlock character sheet will become impossible since there is no way to use the 2014 invocations anymore. They will only have the 2024 invocations, and those can't be homebrewed.
A half-truth may not be lying, but it isn't totally correct either.
This is a horrible unworkable implementation. We will no longer be able to continue playing our 5e campaign in D&D Beyond because our character sheets will no longer have access to those rules. I paid for these products with the understanding that they will still be supported on this site. If this is the implementation you pursue without soliciting or listening to any community feedback I guarantee a boycott and class action lawsuit are coming your way.
this thread had more replies on it than any other thread since the thread about the ddb beta and in only like 2 days not only that if i go by the people i personally know most are oppose to this change so i have a pretty good idea that this is not a small group of disgruntled players and i can not fathom that the majority of people on this site that spent money on the 2014 books could be happy that any content of those books being taken away
Where have we seen that Sneak Attack and the Invocations themselves won't be usable in their current state? Both are class features of 2014 and shouldn't be going anywhere. The Invocation issue has always been specifically that any spells they grant will point to the 2024 versions of the spells.
Similarly, Battle Master Fighter should be fine.