It would be helpful to me to know exactly what books are under the Legacy and Expanded Rules tags. That way I can better know what content I'm including or excluding.
But what about the reason anyone uses dnd beyond in the first place.. The freakin character sheets!!
Are we gonna have access to the characters we've already got built? Or is this change no one asked for going to get rid of the 56 some odd NPC characters that i've built for my dnd campaign.
If it gets rid of them WOTC you owe me toner cartridges and the $250 i've spent in subscriptions for the last 3 years.
Yes, make a technical decision, and take some time to develop a proper toggle for spells etc. IN THE CHARACTER SHEETS. You have all the ingredients, it can be done. I know that technically it's a pain in the *** to develop two separate systems based on a toggle, but you owe us this!
I like the 2024 changes and don’t intend to look back.
That said, a toggle seems like a good way to avoid a class action lawsuit.
Forget legality, how about just some basic customer service?
Whether or not they're legally allowed to screw us, I would like, as a loyal customer on this platform for five years and as a player of DnD on and off for twenty years, some basic consideration of my needs and wants.
Hopefully when the DDB & WOTC folks look at these results on Monday, they'll realize that a large percentage of DDB subscribers who haven't yet cancelled but also haven't yet pre-ordered 2024 PHB will cancel their subscriptions in the near future. There will be some subscribers who decide to preorder the 2024 PHB. So if they see a huge # of 2024 PHB preorders this weekend, things will be good. If they don't, then multiply the # of unsubscribes this weekend by a large amount and expect to see that over the next few months as folks log in to access their characters and find their spells, etc altered to some unknown changes.
Hopefully when the DDB & WOTC folks look at these results on Monday, they'll realize that a large percentage of DDB subscribers who haven't yet cancelled but also haven't yet pre-ordered 2024 PHB will cancel their subscriptions in the near future. There will be some subscribers who decide to preorder the 2024 PHB. So if they see a huge # of 2024 PHB preorders this weekend, things will be good. If they don't, then multiply the # of unsubscribes this weekend by a large amount and expect to see that over the next few months as folks log in to access their characters and find their spells, etc altered to some unknown changes.
This is, frankly, and excellent time to cancel.
I've historically purchased my subscription as an annual and set it to not renew. That subscription was expiring in a few days so I've been on the fence about how much I want to see the new rules in digital form a bit early, but now I wonder what the point is.
If they're going to push the new stuff down, I'm losing the stuff I previously bought and I'll be able to play with new stuff without paying.
At this point, MCDM or Tales from the Valiant through Demiplane are just as reasonable a switch with a similar investment level.
Mostly because we all know, the "backwards compatible" they've been pitching in the final books of the old edition just meant, "we were kind of thinking about what we wanted to do with new stuff...except when we weren't"
There is no database design ever that would warrant replacement on a technical site at all.
Yeah there is. No good database design would require it, but if you think the backend code isn't held together with duct tape and baling wire you've been on a different site from me. My guess is that characters are stored as some blob (say, json or xml) that is storing known spells by name (rather than by some database unique ID). Not an unfixable problem, but not trivial.
Yup.
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It would be helpful to me to know exactly what books are under the Legacy and Expanded Rules tags. That way I can better know what content I'm including or excluding.
It's not about the book, it's about the specific pieces of content in the books. For example, there's stuff in Xanathar's and MoM that will be reprinted in the 5.5 PHB: those specific things will be marked as legacy, but neither Xanathar nor MoM will receive the tag as a whole.
a significant majority of discourse centers around the fact that we FIND LITTLE TO NO VALUE IN THE 2024 RULESET that we will be receiving because we DID NOT ASK FOR IT AND DO NOT WANT TO USE IT.
Many folks -- maybe even the majority of those voicing their concerns -- have stated that they planned to buy the new books, or planned to adopt the rules
I would say the main issue is having those rule changes forced on people who are still in the middle of campaigns, without even giving them a chance to review those changes first
Most comments here are entirely focused on retaining access to the books and digital tools they purchased for the purpose of playing dnd under the 2014 ruleset. The vast majority of the comments online don't mention plans to buy the new 2024 rule books and the ones that do are either saying they plan to not buy books or they did but they want it to be optional without losing digital tools for the 2014 compaible books on this site.
There is a huge amount of books on this site that are built for 2014 rules and which reference the 2014 rules, subclass features, magic items and spells. There are 46 books in the legendary collection alone and a significant amount of the these books will be negativly impacted by the forced update to 2024 rules. Some content will almost certainly be rendered incompatible and will be removed from the digital tools on this site. All the monsters, npcs and magic items across these 46 books will also be impacted by the forced update to 2024 rule books later this year when the DMG and MM comes out.
Like many people I own these 46 books and I haven't finished using them with the digital tools under the 2014 ruleset. The fact they are removing access to the 2014 digital tools side of these books when i specially paid for them for that purpose is horrifying. That's a huge amount of money down the drain and these books were advertised as unlocking them for the digital tools of this site! This in itself portentially breaks advertising laws across the EU/UK.
There will be class features and subclasses across muiltiple books that are incompatible with the forced update to 2024 rules in the digital tool set and this can't be fixed by homebrewing. The fact they suggested we homebrew our own fix shows us how little research and/or testing has gone into these changes. Telling us to homebrew digital content we already bought is insulting and this is especially true when you consider its impossible to homebrew fix these changes!
Anyone with a signicant amount of friends and experience using this site knows that removing access to 2014 rules, content, items, features and spells from the digital charactor sheets will kill this website.
Hasbro / wotc are destroying their own product. Many of the people left playing on here may not have cared much about the OGL drama but they certainly will care when you TAKE AWAY the dnd digital content they bought. It makes it clear to all current subscribers and players that the 46+ digital books we have now will be phased out and whose going to buy the next 46+ books here knowing that?
They could have simple provided us with a toggle between 2014 and 2024 rulesets and other content but instead they want to force us to buy books that we now know have a very limited lifespan on this site.
Most people when given the choice of buying something they can keep forever vs buying something that will get TAKEN from them in a short period of time will always pick the forever option which would seem to be any site but here at this point.
These changes seem to be based purely on short term greed with an absolute lack of foresight for the future. Keeping your current subscribers happy and feeling their purchases are safe is what ensures future sales & subscriptions. Once that trust is broken it becomes the slow death of any games site selling subscriptions.
As I catch up it seems like this argument is honestly starting to lose focus. Not sure everyone has even read the original change log and if they did I'm not sure they actually really understood it.
Change is hard and you won't get everyone to agree on either side of this issue. Honestly, I say rip the bandaid off and move on. If you all are upset enough with DnDB to leave then that is your choice. But I think it's a mistake to assume either side of this argument is a majority or even right. You will hear more from those who are upset about the changes then those who are not. I say that not to discredit their complaints or grievances, but just as a point of fact. That dosen't mean that EVERYONE is unhappy with these changes, or a majority, or a minority. It just means that there are those who are upset and their opinions should be heard.
I personally don't agree with the need to keep 2014 content. I think it'd be better to move on as a community. If DnDB wants to do something for those who want to keep it then that's fine, unless in inconveniences me or my playground group in anyway. That includes me having to toggle or something stupid to use the current system. 2024 should be the standard and if people want to use old stuff then any inconvenience should be on that end. However, ideally there is no inconvenience for anyone.
Its been awhile since DnD had had a real good shake up. Like what 10 years since 4e to 5e? Other gaming communities go through this far more frequently than the DnD community and honestly handle it with far less drama. Lol 40K Blood Angels Players just got their new updates for 10th edition and literally retired half their army. A far more expensive purchase then DnD spells from the "Free" 2014 core rules being replaced with 2024 spells for "Free". (Yup I said it. I've read you're arguments twice already and we will not agree. Sadly that's the point). And 11th edition is likely going to be out in a year or too. I'm happy to not have to throw away any of my DnD 5e books and that this is not a new edition.
Bottom line is none of use can actually claim to speak for the majority of the community on one side of issue or the other and changes are coming. Be kind to one another despite you're arguments and keep your arguments about the issues not the people on the other side.
I personally don't agree with the need to keep 2014 content. I think it'd be better to move on as a community. If DnDB wants to do something for those who want to keep it then that's fine, unless in inconveniences me or my playground group in anyway. That includes me having to toggle or something stupid to use the current system. 2024 should be the standard and if people want to use old stuff then any inconvenience should be on that end. However, ideally there is no inconvenience for anyone.
Be kind to one another despite you're arguments and keep your arguments about the issues not the people on the other side.
I find it to be extremely unkind of you to suggest that putting a toggle option in your character builder is an inconvenience to you on par with the rest of us being unable to play with the ruleset we purchased.
It's easy to say "be kind to each other". Try actually doing it. Show some damn empathy to the 40 pages of people devastated by this news.
As I catch up it seems like this argument is honestly starting to lose focus. Not sure everyone has even read the original change log and if they did I'm not sure they actually really understood it.
Change is hard and you won't get everyone to agree on either side of this issue. Honestly, I say rip the bandaid off and move on. If you all are upset enough with DnDB to leave then that is your choice. But I think it's a mistake to assume either side of this argument is a majority or even right. You will hear more from those who are upset about the changes then those who are not. I say that not to discredit their complaints or grievances, but just as a point of fact. That dosen't mean that EVERYONE is unhappy with these changes, or a majority, or a minority. It just means that there are those who are upset and their opinions should be heard.
I personally don't agree with the need to keep 2014 content. I think it'd be better to move on as a community. If DnDB wants to do something for those who want to keep it then that's fine, unless in inconveniences me or my playground group in anyway. That includes me having to toggle or something stupid to use the current system. 2024 should be the standard and if people want to use old stuff then any inconvenience should be on that end. However, ideally there is no inconvenience for anyone.
Its been awhile since DnD had had a real good shake up. Like what 10 years since 4e to 5e? Other gaming communities go through this far more frequently than the DnD community and honestly handle it with far less drama. Lol 40K Blood Angels Players just got their new updates for 10th edition and literally retired half their army. A far more expensive purchase then DnD spells from the "Free" 2014 core rules being replaced with 2024 spells for "Free". (Yup I said it. I've read you're arguments twice already and we will not agree. Sadly that's the point). And 11th edition is likely going to be out in a year or too. I'm happy to not have to throw away any of my DnD 5e books and that this is not a new edition.
Bottom line is none of use can actually claim to speak for the majority of the community on one side of issue or the other and changes are coming. Be kind to one another despite you're arguments and keep your arguments about the issues not the people on the other side.
👀🍿🍿🍿 Continue.
It's a new edition whether you call it that or not. And removing the tools for using 2014 edition is going to wreck the game for millions of users.
As for majority vs minority, there's maybe like a dozen comments defending the changes in a sea of thousands. And millions of users don't even know yet that these changes are coming cause they don't read the forums.
I personally don't agree with the need to keep 2014 content. I think it'd be better to move on as a community. If DnDB wants to do something for those who want to keep it then that's fine, unless in inconveniences me or my playground group in anyway. That includes me having to toggle or something stupid to use the current system. 2024 should be the standard and if people want to use old stuff then any inconvenience should be on that end. However, ideally there is no inconvenience for anyone.
Be kind to one another despite you're arguments and keep your arguments about the issues not the people on the other side.
I find it to be extremely unkind of you to suggest that putting a toggle option in your character builder is an inconvenience to you on par with the rest of us being unable to play with the ruleset we purchased.
It's easy to say "be kind to each other". Try actually doing it. Show some damn empathy to the 40 pages of people devastated by this news.
Sorry you feel that way, but that's how disagreements work. You want one thing. I want another. It's not a personal attack on you or others. You want an action to be taken that benefits you or dosen't inconvenience you. I want an action to be taken benefits me or dosen't inconvenience me.
I can understand the 40 pages of people devastated by the news and I can understand that it upsets them, but it doesn't mean I have to agree.
Not even remotely. You've put your need to... not have a toggle option in your character builder? over the basic needs of the rest of the community who don't want to lose the functionality that they paid for.
We're not agreeing to disagree over different reasonable priorities. You're demonstrating greed and fundamental lack of empathy, while saying buzzwords to make yourself sound like a reasonable peacekeeper. It's disgusting.
It's simple, toggle switch to allow those that still like using 5E since we paid for that content or more canceled subscriptions. This time even if they fix the self-created issues (backwards compatible my butt) I may not care enough to resubscribe even if they do the right thing.
This is not good. We are mid campaign and not planning to change. Don’t touch existing character sheets or give us a toggle to at least have the choice to update to 2024. I guess I will just look up my character spells in my physical book
My DM for a campaign intended to start mid-September, has had one of the milder reactions to this news: He said that we’ll be making our character sheets on Roll20 instead of D&D Beyond. On top of family and career, and creating a homebrew world, I imagine that he doesn’t have time to go through all the changes which are going to be forced onto every single character. Especially because a lot of 2014 subclasses are either no longer in 2024, or rely on 2014 things which have been drastically changed in the 2024 version (at least 3 players will be using subclasses which are not in 2024). To repeat: a MILD reaction to this news is “Okay, guess we can’t use this product anymore.”
Even in the best case scenario, even if the DM was okay with it, we would still be playing with 2024 character sheets and spells, but using the 2014 DMG for two months, and using the 2014 monster manual for another 6 months. I understand that it may be impractical to print that much all at once. That doesn’t change the fact that until the MM comes out in February, the full 2024 system won’t be available. And they can't even have the courtesy to allow players to continue their current campaigns with the current rules?
What are players and DM’s supposed to do? Just put all campaigns on hold for half a year while waiting for all the rules to be in place and balanced?
I can fathom no good reason why this change is being forced. If there’s “technical debt,” then WotC should have been throwing money at the problem to fix it. As I understand it, DDB is the source of their primary revenue stream for D&D 5e. As the reaction has demonstrated, breaking the functionality they promised to maintain – repeatedly – is shooting their own revenue stream in the foot, and that was entirely predictable. You cannot tell me that WotC and DDB had no idea this was going to be a problem until FOURTEEN DAYS before flipping everyone over to 2024.
WotC doesn’t care about its customers (note the term “doesn’t” instead of “may not”), but they will care about the revenue which is going to take a nose-dive on the next financial report. There is a limit to the amount of times a company can betray their customers trust before the customers leave, and when trust is lost, it - and those customers - can never be earned back.
Yeah, Joining the chorus of "this is dumb, please don't do this!"
I don't want to see the 2024 spells or items or anything really on a character I made to play by 2014 rules. You are messing with established characters and forcing DMs who want to play using the content they've already purchased to do hours and hours of homebrewing on top of making the whole system clunkier.
Take the time to separate both versions and let us choose which ruleset we're playing with when we build a character/launch a campaign.
This is absolutely insane.
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It would be helpful to me to know exactly what books are under the Legacy and Expanded Rules tags. That way I can better know what content I'm including or excluding.
Yay we get to keep the compendium.
But what about the reason anyone uses dnd beyond in the first place.. The freakin character sheets!!
Are we gonna have access to the characters we've already got built? Or is this change no one asked for going to get rid of the 56 some odd NPC characters that i've built for my dnd campaign.
If it gets rid of them WOTC you owe me toner cartridges and the $250 i've spent in subscriptions for the last 3 years.
Yes, make a technical decision, and take some time to develop a proper toggle for spells etc. IN THE CHARACTER SHEETS. You have all the ingredients, it can be done. I know that technically it's a pain in the *** to develop two separate systems based on a toggle, but you owe us this!
I hadn't pre-ordered, because I wasn't interested in the 2024 rules.
Now I've cancelled my subscription, because I'm being forced to play by 2024 rules.
I like the 2024 changes and don’t intend to look back.
That said, a toggle seems like a good way to avoid a class action lawsuit.
Forget legality, how about just some basic customer service?
Whether or not they're legally allowed to screw us, I would like, as a loyal customer on this platform for five years and as a player of DnD on and off for twenty years, some basic consideration of my needs and wants.
Hopefully when the DDB & WOTC folks look at these results on Monday, they'll realize that a large percentage of DDB subscribers who haven't yet cancelled but also haven't yet pre-ordered 2024 PHB will cancel their subscriptions in the near future. There will be some subscribers who decide to preorder the 2024 PHB. So if they see a huge # of 2024 PHB preorders this weekend, things will be good. If they don't, then multiply the # of unsubscribes this weekend by a large amount and expect to see that over the next few months as folks log in to access their characters and find their spells, etc altered to some unknown changes.
This is, frankly, and excellent time to cancel.
I've historically purchased my subscription as an annual and set it to not renew. That subscription was expiring in a few days so I've been on the fence about how much I want to see the new rules in digital form a bit early, but now I wonder what the point is.
If they're going to push the new stuff down, I'm losing the stuff I previously bought and I'll be able to play with new stuff without paying.
At this point, MCDM or Tales from the Valiant through Demiplane are just as reasonable a switch with a similar investment level.
Mostly because we all know, the "backwards compatible" they've been pitching in the final books of the old edition just meant, "we were kind of thinking about what we wanted to do with new stuff...except when we weren't"
Yup.
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A+, Network+, MCP x 2, BSIT/VC, MIS
Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
It's not about the book, it's about the specific pieces of content in the books. For example, there's stuff in Xanathar's and MoM that will be reprinted in the 5.5 PHB: those specific things will be marked as legacy, but neither Xanathar nor MoM will receive the tag as a whole.
Join the DC20 hive mind, brother.
Most comments here are entirely focused on retaining access to the books and digital tools they purchased for the purpose of playing dnd under the 2014 ruleset. The vast majority of the comments online don't mention plans to buy the new 2024 rule books and the ones that do are either saying they plan to not buy books or they did but they want it to be optional without losing digital tools for the 2014 compaible books on this site.
There is a huge amount of books on this site that are built for 2014 rules and which reference the 2014 rules, subclass features, magic items and spells. There are 46 books in the legendary collection alone and a significant amount of the these books will be negativly impacted by the forced update to 2024 rules. Some content will almost certainly be rendered incompatible and will be removed from the digital tools on this site. All the monsters, npcs and magic items across these 46 books will also be impacted by the forced update to 2024 rule books later this year when the DMG and MM comes out.
Like many people I own these 46 books and I haven't finished using them with the digital tools under the 2014 ruleset. The fact they are removing access to the 2014 digital tools side of these books when i specially paid for them for that purpose is horrifying. That's a huge amount of money down the drain and these books were advertised as unlocking them for the digital tools of this site! This in itself portentially breaks advertising laws across the EU/UK.
There will be class features and subclasses across muiltiple books that are incompatible with the forced update to 2024 rules in the digital tool set and this can't be fixed by homebrewing. The fact they suggested we homebrew our own fix shows us how little research and/or testing has gone into these changes. Telling us to homebrew digital content we already bought is insulting and this is especially true when you consider its impossible to homebrew fix these changes!
Anyone with a signicant amount of friends and experience using this site knows that removing access to 2014 rules, content, items, features and spells from the digital charactor sheets will kill this website.
Hasbro / wotc are destroying their own product. Many of the people left playing on here may not have cared much about the OGL drama but they certainly will care when you TAKE AWAY the dnd digital content they bought. It makes it clear to all current subscribers and players that the 46+ digital books we have now will be phased out and whose going to buy the next 46+ books here knowing that?
They could have simple provided us with a toggle between 2014 and 2024 rulesets and other content but instead they want to force us to buy books that we now know have a very limited lifespan on this site.
Most people when given the choice of buying something they can keep forever vs buying something that will get TAKEN from them in a short period of time will always pick the forever option which would seem to be any site but here at this point.
These changes seem to be based purely on short term greed with an absolute lack of foresight for the future. Keeping your current subscribers happy and feeling their purchases are safe is what ensures future sales & subscriptions. Once that trust is broken it becomes the slow death of any games site selling subscriptions.
👀🍿🍿🍿. Still at it I see.
As I catch up it seems like this argument is honestly starting to lose focus. Not sure everyone has even read the original change log and if they did I'm not sure they actually really understood it.
Change is hard and you won't get everyone to agree on either side of this issue. Honestly, I say rip the bandaid off and move on. If you all are upset enough with DnDB to leave then that is your choice. But I think it's a mistake to assume either side of this argument is a majority or even right. You will hear more from those who are upset about the changes then those who are not. I say that not to discredit their complaints or grievances, but just as a point of fact. That dosen't mean that EVERYONE is unhappy with these changes, or a majority, or a minority. It just means that there are those who are upset and their opinions should be heard.
I personally don't agree with the need to keep 2014 content. I think it'd be better to move on as a community. If DnDB wants to do something for those who want to keep it then that's fine, unless in inconveniences me or my playground group in anyway. That includes me having to toggle or something stupid to use the current system. 2024 should be the standard and if people want to use old stuff then any inconvenience should be on that end. However, ideally there is no inconvenience for anyone.
Its been awhile since DnD had had a real good shake up. Like what 10 years since 4e to 5e? Other gaming communities go through this far more frequently than the DnD community and honestly handle it with far less drama. Lol 40K Blood Angels Players just got their new updates for 10th edition and literally retired half their army. A far more expensive purchase then DnD spells from the "Free" 2014 core rules being replaced with 2024 spells for "Free". (Yup I said it. I've read you're arguments twice already and we will not agree. Sadly that's the point). And 11th edition is likely going to be out in a year or too. I'm happy to not have to throw away any of my DnD 5e books and that this is not a new edition.
Bottom line is none of use can actually claim to speak for the majority of the community on one side of issue or the other and changes are coming. Be kind to one another despite you're arguments and keep your arguments about the issues not the people on the other side.
👀🍿🍿🍿 Continue.
I find it to be extremely unkind of you to suggest that putting a toggle option in your character builder is an inconvenience to you on par with the rest of us being unable to play with the ruleset we purchased.
It's easy to say "be kind to each other". Try actually doing it. Show some damn empathy to the 40 pages of people devastated by this news.
It's a new edition whether you call it that or not. And removing the tools for using 2014 edition is going to wreck the game for millions of users.
As for majority vs minority, there's maybe like a dozen comments defending the changes in a sea of thousands. And millions of users don't even know yet that these changes are coming cause they don't read the forums.
Sorry you feel that way, but that's how disagreements work. You want one thing. I want another. It's not a personal attack on you or others. You want an action to be taken that benefits you or dosen't inconvenience you. I want an action to be taken benefits me or dosen't inconvenience me.
I can understand the 40 pages of people devastated by the news and I can understand that it upsets them, but it doesn't mean I have to agree.
Does that make more sense?
Not even remotely. You've put your need to... not have a toggle option in your character builder? over the basic needs of the rest of the community who don't want to lose the functionality that they paid for.
We're not agreeing to disagree over different reasonable priorities. You're demonstrating greed and fundamental lack of empathy, while saying buzzwords to make yourself sound like a reasonable peacekeeper. It's disgusting.
It's simple, toggle switch to allow those that still like using 5E since we paid for that content or more canceled subscriptions. This time even if they fix the self-created issues (backwards compatible my butt) I may not care enough to resubscribe even if they do the right thing.
:)
This is not good. We are mid campaign and not planning to change. Don’t touch existing character sheets or give us a toggle to at least have the choice to update to 2024. I guess I will just look up my character spells in my physical book
My DM for a campaign intended to start mid-September, has had one of the milder reactions to this news: He said that we’ll be making our character sheets on Roll20 instead of D&D Beyond. On top of family and career, and creating a homebrew world, I imagine that he doesn’t have time to go through all the changes which are going to be forced onto every single character. Especially because a lot of 2014 subclasses are either no longer in 2024, or rely on 2014 things which have been drastically changed in the 2024 version (at least 3 players will be using subclasses which are not in 2024). To repeat: a MILD reaction to this news is “Okay, guess we can’t use this product anymore.”
Even in the best case scenario, even if the DM was okay with it, we would still be playing with 2024 character sheets and spells, but using the 2014 DMG for two months, and using the 2014 monster manual for another 6 months. I understand that it may be impractical to print that much all at once. That doesn’t change the fact that until the MM comes out in February, the full 2024 system won’t be available. And they can't even have the courtesy to allow players to continue their current campaigns with the current rules?
What are players and DM’s supposed to do? Just put all campaigns on hold for half a year while waiting for all the rules to be in place and balanced?
I can fathom no good reason why this change is being forced. If there’s “technical debt,” then WotC should have been throwing money at the problem to fix it. As I understand it, DDB is the source of their primary revenue stream for D&D 5e. As the reaction has demonstrated, breaking the functionality they promised to maintain – repeatedly – is shooting their own revenue stream in the foot, and that was entirely predictable. You cannot tell me that WotC and DDB had no idea this was going to be a problem until FOURTEEN DAYS before flipping everyone over to 2024.
WotC doesn’t care about its customers (note the term “doesn’t” instead of “may not”), but they will care about the revenue which is going to take a nose-dive on the next financial report. There is a limit to the amount of times a company can betray their customers trust before the customers leave, and when trust is lost, it - and those customers - can never be earned back.
Yeah, Joining the chorus of "this is dumb, please don't do this!"
I don't want to see the 2024 spells or items or anything really on a character I made to play by 2014 rules. You are messing with established characters and forcing DMs who want to play using the content they've already purchased to do hours and hours of homebrewing on top of making the whole system clunkier.
Take the time to separate both versions and let us choose which ruleset we're playing with when we build a character/launch a campaign.
This is absolutely insane.