So long story short I am having my party have to find out the true name of a devil for another devil in return for a favour. But, being the excellent DM I am, I didn't worry too much about the how. So now I am planning the next few sessions and need to work out a way or ways for them to obtain this devils name in a fun and interesting way.
I know that the rules suggest that charming the devil can allow you to learn its name, and that has always been my fallback but I am wondering if anybody has run something similar themselves or just have any good ideas. Could the devils keep a physical copy of their name that the party could heist? My other thought is that if they obtain the name and the devil knows then they have created an enemy who would very much like to unalive the party, and this could at least add some complexity to the situation.
Anyway, thank you very much in advance for any help, I find bouncing ideas off strangers on the internet can be a pretty good way to get my own brain working.
The Book of Vile Darkness is reputed to have such information. Perhaps a long dead sage had such information, and the trick is finding his spirit\soul to obtain it.
powerful fey like to trade for things, whether it be the name or simply a name of someone who could help. alternatively, perhaps one of their recently defeated foes turns out to be a connection offering patronage to strong adventurers.
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Whenever I use the concept of true names of fiends, I like to make it a sort of Rumplestiltskin-esque challenge. Basically, the party outwits the devil into making them say their own true name, and when they do the devil owes them one favor. It's a quick and fun solution to this problem, but it may not fit a more serious campaign.
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The Book of Vile Darkness is reputed to have such information. Perhaps a long dead sage had such information, and the trick is finding his spirit\soul to obtain it.
I’d go with something like this, some 3rd party wrote it down. If you’re in a world where true names matter, no one would ever write their own name down, certainly not a devil; they’re usually quite clever. Then it’s basically a fetch quest, which can be boring, just dress it up. The book it’s in could be in a dungeon somewhere and the party cuts their way through to find it. Or in the possession of someone else, who won’t give up the whole book, but will let the party copy one page from it for a favor. Of course, then, you have to give them other pages in the book which are also enticing, to make it a hard choice. Maybe some party member has a backstory tie to something written in the book. So they have to pick if they want to copy that page, or the devil page or owe the book owner another favor.
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So long story short I am having my party have to find out the true name of a devil for another devil in return for a favour. But, being the excellent DM I am, I didn't worry too much about the how. So now I am planning the next few sessions and need to work out a way or ways for them to obtain this devils name in a fun and interesting way.
I know that the rules suggest that charming the devil can allow you to learn its name, and that has always been my fallback but I am wondering if anybody has run something similar themselves or just have any good ideas. Could the devils keep a physical copy of their name that the party could heist? My other thought is that if they obtain the name and the devil knows then they have created an enemy who would very much like to unalive the party, and this could at least add some complexity to the situation.
Anyway, thank you very much in advance for any help, I find bouncing ideas off strangers on the internet can be a pretty good way to get my own brain working.
The Book of Vile Darkness is reputed to have such information. Perhaps a long dead sage had such information, and the trick is finding his spirit\soul to obtain it.
powerful fey like to trade for things, whether it be the name or simply a name of someone who could help. alternatively, perhaps one of their recently defeated foes turns out to be a connection offering patronage to strong adventurers.
unhappy at the way in which we lost individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
tell them you don't like features disappeared quietly in the night: provide feedback!
Whenever I use the concept of true names of fiends, I like to make it a sort of Rumplestiltskin-esque challenge. Basically, the party outwits the devil into making them say their own true name, and when they do the devil owes them one favor. It's a quick and fun solution to this problem, but it may not fit a more serious campaign.
Former Spider Queen of the Spider Guild, and friendly neighborhood scheming creature.
"Made by spiders, for spiders, of spiders."
My pronouns are she/her.
Web Weaver of Everlasting Narrative! (title bestowed by Drummer)
I’d go with something like this, some 3rd party wrote it down. If you’re in a world where true names matter, no one would ever write their own name down, certainly not a devil; they’re usually quite clever.
Then it’s basically a fetch quest, which can be boring, just dress it up. The book it’s in could be in a dungeon somewhere and the party cuts their way through to find it. Or in the possession of someone else, who won’t give up the whole book, but will let the party copy one page from it for a favor. Of course, then, you have to give them other pages in the book which are also enticing, to make it a hard choice. Maybe some party member has a backstory tie to something written in the book. So they have to pick if they want to copy that page, or the devil page or owe the book owner another favor.