But what are we talking about exactly? If we talk about taking a body of water, and create a "raft" of ice; yes you can. If we are talking, as the one who started the thread said, of using the cantrip to move a boat on land, I don't see the way to do it with this cantrip. And if we talk about moving a mass of ice (whether or not it is a boat), the answer is no. The cantrip allows you to change the flow in one direction up to 5 feet. The ice doesn't flow, so you can't move it with this cantrip. And if we are thinking about the option that says: "You cause the water to form into simple shapes and animate at your direction", it would not serve to move the ice either. That makes sense with a liquid dough, which is malleable. But not with a solid mass of ice.
But what are we talking about exactly? If we talk about taking a body of water, and create a "raft" of ice; yes you can. If we are talking, as the one who started the thread said, of using the cantrip to move a boat on land, I don't see the way to do it with this cantrip. And if we talk about moving a mass of ice (whether or not it is a boat), the answer is no. The cantrip allows you to change the flow in one direction up to 5 feet. The ice doesn't flow, so you can't move it with this cantrip. And if we are thinking about the option that says: "You cause the water to form into simple shapes and animate at your direction", it would not serve to move the ice either. That makes sense with a liquid dough, which is malleable. But not with a solid mass of ice.
"You instantaneously move or otherwise change the flow of the water as you direct, up to 5 feet in any direction."
It can simply move the water. And ice does actually flow, just very slowly. Do a bit of research on glaciers.
Mold Earth has a similar shaping provision and that is earth or stone, which likewise is not dough. It is magic.
No, no. Mold the Earth allow you to move loose earth, wich makes senses. You can't get on a stiff stone and move it with that cantrip, for example. You can move gravel, grit, sand and things like that.
It's magic, of course, but it has to be credible.
The issue of glaciers is much more complex. What happens is that the ice mass slides on the rocky surface. But it does not flow in the sense that water does, since it is not a liquid. And, in addition, it depends on the type of glacier and other external conditions. In any case the ice does not flow. Fluids (liquids and gases) flow, but not solids. Its particles are bound together, cannot move, and only vibrate in their fixed positions. For this reason solids are rigid, they cannot be compressed (in theory of course, in practice, under a lot of pressure, and depending on the conditions, a solid can be compressed) and they do not flow.
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But what are we talking about exactly? If we talk about taking a body of water, and create a "raft" of ice; yes you can.
If we are talking, as the one who started the thread said, of using the cantrip to move a boat on land, I don't see the way to do it with this cantrip.
And if we talk about moving a mass of ice (whether or not it is a boat), the answer is no. The cantrip allows you to change the flow in one direction up to 5 feet. The ice doesn't flow, so you can't move it with this cantrip. And if we are thinking about the option that says: "You cause the water to form into simple shapes and animate at your direction", it would not serve to move the ice either. That makes sense with a liquid dough, which is malleable. But not with a solid mass of ice.
No, no. Mold the Earth allow you to move loose earth, wich makes senses. You can't get on a stiff stone and move it with that cantrip, for example. You can move gravel, grit, sand and things like that.
It's magic, of course, but it has to be credible.
The issue of glaciers is much more complex. What happens is that the ice mass slides on the rocky surface. But it does not flow in the sense that water does, since it is not a liquid. And, in addition, it depends on the type of glacier and other external conditions. In any case the ice does not flow. Fluids (liquids and gases) flow, but not solids. Its particles are bound together, cannot move, and only vibrate in their fixed positions. For this reason solids are rigid, they cannot be compressed (in theory of course, in practice, under a lot of pressure, and depending on the conditions, a solid can be compressed) and they do not flow.