So, as a spell caster I can create a spell scroll. Let's say I use a 2nd level spell, and I have the materials and pay that cost. HOWEVER the spell can be upcast. If I accept the risk of the ability check, and I'm successful, and manage to pull off casting it as a 3rd level spell, I get a 3rd level spell scroll at the material and gp costs of a 2nd level scroll? What about the attack bonuses? Same as if it is a 2nd level scroll? Or does bonus rise corresponding with the higher level upcast?
The Optional Rule for Scribing a Spell Scroll mention cost based on the spell level, which when upcast assume such level;
Casting a Spell at a Higher Level
When a spellcaster casts a spell using a slot that is of a higher level than the spell, the spell assumes the higher level for that casting. For instance, if Umara casts magic missile using one of her 2nd-level slots, that magic missile is 2nd level.
In short, the level of the spell is fixed at the time a scroll is scribed. You can scribe a 6th level Fireball scroll by spending the appropriate amount of time and gold on it, but you can't then try to turn it into two casts of Fireball at 3rd level or upcast from the scroll to 7th. You can only cast Fireball from that particular scroll as a 6th level spell.
So, according to what both of you are saying, a spell scroll "locks in" the spell's level. I can accept that. (after all I'm certainly not here to either argue or complain.😀)
Here's the Spell Scroll description:
"A spell scroll bears the words of a single spell, written in a mystical cipher. If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material components. Otherwise, the scroll is unintelligible. Casting the spell by reading the scroll requires the spell’s normal casting time. Once the spell is cast, the words on the scroll fade, and it crumbles to dust. If the casting is interrupted, the scroll is not lost.
If the spell is on your class’s spell list but of a higher level than you can normally cast, you must make an ability check using your spellcasting ability to determine whether you cast it successfully. The DC equals 10 + the spell’s level. On a failed check, the spell disappears from the scroll with no other effect.
The level of the spell on the scroll determines the spell’s saving throw DC and attack bonus, as well as the scroll’s rarity, as shown in the Spell Scroll table.
The text in red is what threw me. This is actually in reference to the spell's actual casting level. There is no mention of "upcasting" specifically. It can be seen as upcasting isn't really the same as simple casting itself.
The portion is red is about casting a spell too high for you to normally do so, not about scribing. You can obviously only scribe a spell you can cast, you can't upcast a spell unless you have the spell slot necessary to do so and if you do, you will not have to make an ability check. Also; the character must have the spell prepared, or it must be among the character’s known spells, in order to scribe a scroll of that spell.
One thing I've noticed about scrolls (hopefully, not to bust a bubble) is that I find I never get to use them. There's too many other decisions to deal with, and after awhile, I get a collection of them.
So, as a spell caster I can create a spell scroll. Let's say I use a 2nd level spell, and I have the materials and pay that cost. HOWEVER the spell can be upcast. If I accept the risk of the ability check, and I'm successful, and manage to pull off casting it as a 3rd level spell, I get a 3rd level spell scroll at the material and gp costs of a 2nd level scroll? What about the attack bonuses? Same as if it is a 2nd level scroll? Or does bonus rise corresponding with the higher level upcast?
The Optional Rule for Scribing a Spell Scroll mention cost based on the spell level, which when upcast assume such level;
In short, the level of the spell is fixed at the time a scroll is scribed. You can scribe a 6th level Fireball scroll by spending the appropriate amount of time and gold on it, but you can't then try to turn it into two casts of Fireball at 3rd level or upcast from the scroll to 7th. You can only cast Fireball from that particular scroll as a 6th level spell.
So, according to what both of you are saying, a spell scroll "locks in" the spell's level. I can accept that. (after all I'm certainly not here to either argue or complain.😀)
Here's the Spell Scroll description:
"A spell scroll bears the words of a single spell, written in a mystical cipher. If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material components. Otherwise, the scroll is unintelligible. Casting the spell by reading the scroll requires the spell’s normal casting time. Once the spell is cast, the words on the scroll fade, and it crumbles to dust. If the casting is interrupted, the scroll is not lost.
If the spell is on your class’s spell list but of a higher level than you can normally cast, you must make an ability check using your spellcasting ability to determine whether you cast it successfully. The DC equals 10 + the spell’s level. On a failed check, the spell disappears from the scroll with no other effect.
The level of the spell on the scroll determines the spell’s saving throw DC and attack bonus, as well as the scroll’s rarity, as shown in the Spell Scroll table.
The text in red is what threw me. This is actually in reference to the spell's actual casting level. There is no mention of "upcasting" specifically. It can be seen as upcasting isn't really the same as simple casting itself.
Am I gettin' it? 🤷♂️
The portion is red is about casting a spell too high for you to normally do so, not about scribing. You can obviously only scribe a spell you can cast, you can't upcast a spell unless you have the spell slot necessary to do so and if you do, you will not have to make an ability check. Also; the character must have the spell prepared, or it must be among the character’s known spells, in order to scribe a scroll of that spell.
It yeah it would seem I'm just overthinking this one. Something that I am prone to, often to an extreme. 🤪
One thing I've noticed about scrolls (hopefully, not to bust a bubble) is that I find I never get to use them. There's too many other decisions to deal with, and after awhile, I get a collection of them.
Hmmm...🤔I could see that happening...