Yo! so hypothetical if your players drake was immune to fire and it decided to drink boiling water would it be damaged? or would the fire immunity help it from the heat? what about a player with fire immunity?
Depends on what damage type the DM assigns to the effect. If the DM decides the boiling water deals fire damage, then obviously there would be no damage to a creature immune to fire damage. If it doesn’t do fire damage, then the damage is applied as normal.
Interesting question. I'd recommend not testing the limitations of your immunity.
I'd say immunity means one of two things:
Either magic blocks the effect - heat in this case - so you're simply unaffected,
Or you're made from the effect, or it's your natural environment.
If you're a fire elemental, fire isn't going to hurt you. Same if you're a salamander. But drinking water (temperature irrelevant) would hurt the elemental, and possibly the salamander.
If you're protected magically from some effect, and you deliberately bypass that protection, to my mind you're fully affected.
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As a Dm i would most likely follow kinda what Acromos says. Like if i threw a pot of boiling water at a fire elemental then I can see it taking some damage. While if I threw the same pot of boiling water at a red dragon I would expect the dragon to almost keep sleeping as nothing happen. The difference is the elemental would be hurt by the water not the heat, while the dragon would ignore both the water and the heat.
If it is the element of heat that does damage, then I would rule the creature is immune. Maybe not everybody would rule the same but what would you call it instead?
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armor of dragon scales from a red dragon? = insides get boiled
That seems incredibly limiting and does not follow the general 5e theme. Even against fire attacks, how would they rule normal fires? wall of fire? heat metal? Does it depend on whether it is a full suit of scale or just a scale breastplate?
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armor of dragon scales from a red dragon? = insides get boiled
That makes no sense. That's basically saying, "Well, the armor has immunity to fire damage, but the fleshy bits around/behind it don't, so you take full damage"
If something is conveying resistance or immunity, it applies to the whole creature
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A creature immune to fire would not be bothered by the heat of the boiling water assuming that the DM decided that the water did fire damage to a regular creature (which would be reasonable).
In terms of what damage the water itself might do to other creatures ... I would again follow the rules. The fire elemental has water susceptibility but no vulnerability to cold damage.
"Water Susceptibility. For every 5 feet the elemental moves in water, or for every gallon of water splashed on it, it takes 1 cold damage."
It will take cold damage when exposed to a quantity of water and it doesn't matter whether the water is a frigid pool or a boiling lava spring.
A Salamander, on the other hand, is vulnerable to cold damage but takes NO damage from water by itself of any temperature unless a DM ruled that the freezing water was cold enough to do cold damage (which is also a reasonable ruling) - but room temperature water is unlikely to harm a Salamander.
So, in terms of dealing with creature effects, I would rule what damage type the water has intrinsically based on whether it was hot or cold or not ... and then apply the creature damage vulnerabilities/resistances/immunities to the damage type done along with any special creature features like "Water Susceptibility". I'd tend to avoid making up rules as I went along since I'd want something that would be reproducible the next time a similar creature was encountered.
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Yo! so hypothetical if your players drake was immune to fire and it decided to drink boiling water would it be damaged? or would the fire immunity help it from the heat? what about a player with fire immunity?
Depends on what damage type the DM assigns to the effect. If the DM decides the boiling water deals fire damage, then obviously there would be no damage to a creature immune to fire damage. If it doesn’t do fire damage, then the damage is applied as normal.
Interesting question. I'd recommend not testing the limitations of your immunity.
I'd say immunity means one of two things:
If you're a fire elemental, fire isn't going to hurt you. Same if you're a salamander. But drinking water (temperature irrelevant) would hurt the elemental, and possibly the salamander.
If you're protected magically from some effect, and you deliberately bypass that protection, to my mind you're fully affected.
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
As a Dm i would most likely follow kinda what Acromos says. Like if i threw a pot of boiling water at a fire elemental then I can see it taking some damage. While if I threw the same pot of boiling water at a red dragon I would expect the dragon to almost keep sleeping as nothing happen. The difference is the elemental would be hurt by the water not the heat, while the dragon would ignore both the water and the heat.
But this is more of a DM call in the end....
If it is the element of heat that does damage, then I would rule the creature is immune. Maybe not everybody would rule the same but what would you call it instead?
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iv asked some others outside of here and they said it depends on how the character is immune to fire
armor of dragon scales from a red dragon? = insides get boiled
magic from a spell or race feature? = immune
That seems incredibly limiting and does not follow the general 5e theme. Even against fire attacks, how would they rule normal fires? wall of fire? heat metal? Does it depend on whether it is a full suit of scale or just a scale breastplate?
"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
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"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
-Ilyara Thundertale
That makes no sense. That's basically saying, "Well, the armor has immunity to fire damage, but the fleshy bits around/behind it don't, so you take full damage"
If something is conveying resistance or immunity, it applies to the whole creature
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Lan Kidogo, mapach archaeologist and treasure hunter (Knowledge cleric)
Mardan Ferres, elven private investigator obsessed with that one unsolved murder (Assassin rogue)
Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
I'd go with the rules for this one.
A creature immune to fire would not be bothered by the heat of the boiling water assuming that the DM decided that the water did fire damage to a regular creature (which would be reasonable).
In terms of what damage the water itself might do to other creatures ... I would again follow the rules. The fire elemental has water susceptibility but no vulnerability to cold damage.
"Water Susceptibility. For every 5 feet the elemental moves in water, or for every gallon of water splashed on it, it takes 1 cold damage."
It will take cold damage when exposed to a quantity of water and it doesn't matter whether the water is a frigid pool or a boiling lava spring.
A Salamander, on the other hand, is vulnerable to cold damage but takes NO damage from water by itself of any temperature unless a DM ruled that the freezing water was cold enough to do cold damage (which is also a reasonable ruling) - but room temperature water is unlikely to harm a Salamander.
So, in terms of dealing with creature effects, I would rule what damage type the water has intrinsically based on whether it was hot or cold or not ... and then apply the creature damage vulnerabilities/resistances/immunities to the damage type done along with any special creature features like "Water Susceptibility". I'd tend to avoid making up rules as I went along since I'd want something that would be reproducible the next time a similar creature was encountered.