Yo! so iv been trying to find a way to get eldritch blast and have it run off my INT. So far the only way i can think of it is the artificers all purpose tool. does anyone know any other ways?
Even if you could get Eldritch Blast as an INT based cantrip, there is no point to it, the only way to make Eldritch Blast stronger is to use Eldritch Invocations which require Eldritch Blast to be a Warlock cantrip and thus CHA based. In 2014 you use to be able to get it via Magic Initiative but now that Magic Initiative is limited to Cleric, Druid and Wizard spell lists you can no longer acquire it in any method in the 2024 PHB other than taking levels in the warlock class.
2024 has become a lot more tight on protecting certain class spells, for example Bard can no longer pick-up find steed with magical secrets. Some of the feats still allow for picking up for a few 1st level spells that are on other spell lists. I.E. Shadow Touched can pick up Wrathful Smite.
You can arguably do this with the Eldritch Adept feat from Tasha's Cauldron of Everything once you reach 4th level. It lets you gain an Eldritch Invocation that lacks prerequisites and choose which ability you use for spellcasting with it. Because the three Pact features from the 2014 Warlock are now invocations, you could pick Pact of the Tome and learn Eldritch Blast as one of the three cantrips it grants.
As R3sistance said, you wouldn't be able to power it up with further invocations without multiclassing into Warlock, but Evokers can still use Potent Cantrips to deal half damage on a miss.
You can arguably do this with the Eldritch Adept feat from Tasha's Cauldron of Everything once you reach 4th level. It lets you gain an Eldritch Invocation that lacks prerequisites and choose which ability you use for spellcasting with it. Because the three Pact features from the 2014 Warlock are now invocations, you could pick Pact of the Tome and learn Eldritch Blast as one of the three cantrips it grants.
As R3sistance said, you wouldn't be able to power it up with further invocations without multiclassing into Warlock, but Evokers can still use Potent Cantrips to deal half damage on a miss.
I don't think this works RAW, as only certain choices are available using the feat.
You can arguably do this with the Eldritch Adept feat from Tasha's Cauldron of Everything once you reach 4th level. It lets you gain an Eldritch Invocation that lacks prerequisites and choose which ability you use for spellcasting with it. Because the three Pact features from the 2014 Warlock are now invocations, you could pick Pact of the Tome and learn Eldritch Blast as one of the three cantrips it grants.
As R3sistance said, you wouldn't be able to power it up with further invocations without multiclassing into Warlock, but Evokers can still use Potent Cantrips to deal half damage on a miss.
I don't think this works RAW, as only certain choices are available using the feat.
As always, housrules can be anything
The shoddy programming of D&D Beyond isn't a determiner of RAW.
That said, there's potential to debate whether or not the old and new classes count as the same thing, and to argue that the feat looks at the old version, meaning it wouldn't see any 2024 invocations.
That said, there's potential to debate whether or not the old and new classes count as the same thing, and to argue that the feat looks at the old version, meaning it wouldn't see any 2024 invocations.
This is a weird line of reasoning imo. There's never been a rule against taking new options; that's kinda the whole point of releasing new subclasses, spells, feats, and whatnot. The feat says you can learn an invocation, and if you're using the 2024 rules, Pact of the Tome is an invocation.
I thought if I was going to get pushback on this it'd be the bit that says you can choose your spellcasting ability and how that would interact with cantrips. But the intent has to be that the feat's text supersedes the Warlock's normal spellcasting rules, since so many invocations give you access to a spell.
If anything, thinking about this has convinced me the combo is intentional. The designers were given the chance to reevaluate the prerequisites of all the invocations with the feat in mind and with almost a decades' worth of D&D Beyond usage data to reference. Several invocations that previously had no requirements (due to invocations being a 2nd level feature in 2014) now technically require Warlock level 2 (e.g. Agonizing Blast, Devil's Sight, Fiendish Vigor, Eldritch Spear, Mask of Many Faces, Misty Visions, Repelling Blast) which is a borderline inconsequential change for anyone going full time Warlock but keeps those invocations out of reach of the feat or people doing 1 level multiclass dips. Some had their requirements lowered as well (Otherworldly Leap and Lifedrinker.) I don't think the designers took a 3rd level class feature, turned it into an invocation (which used to be a 2nd level feature), forgot to carry over either level requirement, playtested the class, and still didn't notice they forgot the level requirement.
You also need to be 4th level (they could've made this an Origin Feat but didn't) and have spell slots to take the feat, and the invocation isn't repeatable, so even though this combo has a lot of overlap with Magic Initiate, it's also much stricter.
Can you point me to where in the text it specifies that you get to choose which ability to use for spellcasting please? My DM is strictly a RAW kind of ruler. I see that it's possible in character creation but don't have a digital copy of Tasha's so it's behind paywall. His physical copy of the book makes no mention of it. Please and thank you!
Can you point me to where in the text it specifies that you get to choose which ability to use for spellcasting please?
It does say that in the eldritch adept feat, but it won't do you much good since agonizing blast doesn't say to add your spellcasting ability, it says to add your charisma modifier, and without agonizing blast eldritch blast isn't very impressive.
Can you point me to where in the text it specifies that you get to choose which ability to use for spellcasting please? My DM is strictly a RAW kind of ruler. I see that it's possible in character creation but don't have a digital copy of Tasha's so it's behind paywall. His physical copy of the book makes no mention of it. Please and thank you!
The Eldritch Adept feat lets you pick your spellcasting attribute, for that feat.
Theoretically, this means you should be able to pick up Agonizing Blast with Intelligence, but RAW, that doesn't work because Agonizing Blast specifies Charisma modifier, instead of Spellcasting modifier. However, with that interpretation, the ability to choose a spellcasting ability only applies to Invocations that allow access to spells that can target a creature (other than the caster) and allow a save or require an attack roll. I don't see any other 2014 Invocations that reference Spellcasting ability modifier, a spell attack, or a save DC directly in their descriptions. For example, taking Mask of Many Faces would allow you to cast Disguise Self (but you can't choose that one without actually multiclassing into Warlock since in 2024, they changed the level requirements into Warlock class level requirements).
So, it seems to be a bizarre feature. You can choose your spellcasting attribute, but it only matters for invocations that you require you to be a Warlock, in which case, there is a decent chance that you will only ever Intelligence.
It also could be just copy and paste from the similar feats.
IMHO, this is an example of mixing pre-2024 rules (in this case, TCoE) and 2024 rules in a way that some might call "problematic", so a DM would need to decide whether it's allowed or how it should work.
Actually, EB isn’t that weak a cantrip. Compare it to fire bolt: the damage of both are D10s but EB is force not fire so fewer resistances/immunities. Firebolt you get additional dice of damage at LS 5/10/15, EB you get addition blasts so additional dice, but they are separately targetable so more versatility. There is the down side that you make seperate attack rolls so if you are targeting the same foe you may get less damage. When compared to magic missile it fits as a cantrip - 1 to 10 damage vs 3-15 damage, both can hit one or multiple targets, EB needs an attack roll while MM is auto hit. So it’s the cantrip version of magic missile really. In 2014 I often took the warlock initiate for my melee rangers as it actually allows better damage than a longbow, almost the same range and more shots in tier 3/4. Finding a way to get it using a casting stat other than charisma would be very sweet. I’ll be looking into the Eldritch adept feat for 2024.
I am not them, but I'm guessing its because of the lore of warlocks saying they are seekers of knowledge and power.
Yeah that is sort of why I asked, if its that just work with your Dm to have a house rule for int to be the warlocks prime stats and the saves are changed from wis/chr to wis/int. It is objectively weaker, there is not reason not to allow it. If its for like a evoker build there may be better alternatives.
Yeah that is sort of why I asked, if its that just work with your Dm to have a house rule for int to be the warlocks prime stats and the saves are changed from wis/chr to wis/int. It is objectively weaker, there is not reason not to allow it. If its for like a evoker build there may be better alternatives.
I mean if you can dip into Warlock and take your pick of attributes for use with a Pact Weapon, that can probably be abused.
Yeah that is sort of why I asked, if its that just work with your Dm to have a house rule for int to be the warlocks prime stats and the saves are changed from wis/chr to wis/int. It is objectively weaker, there is not reason not to allow it. If its for like a evoker build there may be better alternatives.
I mean if you can dip into Warlock and take your pick of attributes for use with a Pact Weapon, that can probably be abused.
I don't think any of the other int classes will benefit more than the current chr classes that benefit from a dip.
Yeah that is sort of why I asked, if its that just work with your Dm to have a house rule for int to be the warlocks prime stats and the saves are changed from wis/chr to wis/int. It is objectively weaker, there is not reason not to allow it. If its for like a evoker build there may be better alternatives.
I mean if you can dip into Warlock and take your pick of attributes for use with a Pact Weapon, that can probably be abused.
I don't think any of the other int classes will benefit more than the current chr classes that benefit from a dip.
Eldritch Knights and Arcane Tricksters can become less MAD and dump/mostly dump Strength.
Artificers other than Battle Smiths could benefit. For Artificers, it would diminish the role of the Battle Smith and Armorer (both can already attack with Intelligence).
Bladesinging Wizards become less MAD and use heftier weapons since they don't need to rely on Finesse.
Druids already have Shillelagh but could branch out into other weapon options with a Wisdom Pact Weapon.
Yo! so iv been trying to find a way to get eldritch blast and have it run off my INT. So far the only way i can think of it is the artificers all purpose tool. does anyone know any other ways?
Even if you could get Eldritch Blast as an INT based cantrip, there is no point to it, the only way to make Eldritch Blast stronger is to use Eldritch Invocations which require Eldritch Blast to be a Warlock cantrip and thus CHA based. In 2014 you use to be able to get it via Magic Initiative but now that Magic Initiative is limited to Cleric, Druid and Wizard spell lists you can no longer acquire it in any method in the 2024 PHB other than taking levels in the warlock class.
2024 has become a lot more tight on protecting certain class spells, for example Bard can no longer pick-up find steed with magical secrets. Some of the feats still allow for picking up for a few 1st level spells that are on other spell lists. I.E. Shadow Touched can pick up Wrathful Smite.
You can arguably do this with the Eldritch Adept feat from Tasha's Cauldron of Everything once you reach 4th level. It lets you gain an Eldritch Invocation that lacks prerequisites and choose which ability you use for spellcasting with it. Because the three Pact features from the 2014 Warlock are now invocations, you could pick Pact of the Tome and learn Eldritch Blast as one of the three cantrips it grants.
As R3sistance said, you wouldn't be able to power it up with further invocations without multiclassing into Warlock, but Evokers can still use Potent Cantrips to deal half damage on a miss.
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I don't think this works RAW, as only certain choices are available using the feat.
As always, housrules can be anything
The shoddy programming of D&D Beyond isn't a determiner of RAW.
That said, there's potential to debate whether or not the old and new classes count as the same thing, and to argue that the feat looks at the old version, meaning it wouldn't see any 2024 invocations.
This is a weird line of reasoning imo. There's never been a rule against taking new options; that's kinda the whole point of releasing new subclasses, spells, feats, and whatnot. The feat says you can learn an invocation, and if you're using the 2024 rules, Pact of the Tome is an invocation.
I thought if I was going to get pushback on this it'd be the bit that says you can choose your spellcasting ability and how that would interact with cantrips. But the intent has to be that the feat's text supersedes the Warlock's normal spellcasting rules, since so many invocations give you access to a spell.
If anything, thinking about this has convinced me the combo is intentional. The designers were given the chance to reevaluate the prerequisites of all the invocations with the feat in mind and with almost a decades' worth of D&D Beyond usage data to reference. Several invocations that previously had no requirements (due to invocations being a 2nd level feature in 2014) now technically require Warlock level 2 (e.g. Agonizing Blast, Devil's Sight, Fiendish Vigor, Eldritch Spear, Mask of Many Faces, Misty Visions, Repelling Blast) which is a borderline inconsequential change for anyone going full time Warlock but keeps those invocations out of reach of the feat or people doing 1 level multiclass dips. Some had their requirements lowered as well (Otherworldly Leap and Lifedrinker.) I don't think the designers took a 3rd level class feature, turned it into an invocation (which used to be a 2nd level feature), forgot to carry over either level requirement, playtested the class, and still didn't notice they forgot the level requirement.
You also need to be 4th level (they could've made this an Origin Feat but didn't) and have spell slots to take the feat, and the invocation isn't repeatable, so even though this combo has a lot of overlap with Magic Initiate, it's also much stricter.
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Can you point me to where in the text it specifies that you get to choose which ability to use for spellcasting please? My DM is strictly a RAW kind of ruler. I see that it's possible in character creation but don't have a digital copy of Tasha's so it's behind paywall. His physical copy of the book makes no mention of it. Please and thank you!
It does say that in the eldritch adept feat, but it won't do you much good since agonizing blast doesn't say to add your spellcasting ability, it says to add your charisma modifier, and without agonizing blast eldritch blast isn't very impressive.
The Eldritch Adept feat lets you pick your spellcasting attribute, for that feat.
Theoretically, this means you should be able to pick up Agonizing Blast with Intelligence, but RAW, that doesn't work because Agonizing Blast specifies Charisma modifier, instead of Spellcasting modifier. However, with that interpretation, the ability to choose a spellcasting ability only applies to Invocations that allow access to spells that can target a creature (other than the caster) and allow a save or require an attack roll. I don't see any other 2014 Invocations that reference Spellcasting ability modifier, a spell attack, or a save DC directly in their descriptions. For example, taking Mask of Many Faces would allow you to cast Disguise Self (but you can't choose that one without actually multiclassing into Warlock since in 2024, they changed the level requirements into Warlock class level requirements).
So, it seems to be a bizarre feature. You can choose your spellcasting attribute, but it only matters for invocations that you require you to be a Warlock, in which case, there is a decent chance that you will only ever Intelligence.
It also could be just copy and paste from the similar feats.
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I'm curious, why do you want it to work off int?
IMHO, this is an example of mixing pre-2024 rules (in this case, TCoE) and 2024 rules in a way that some might call "problematic", so a DM would need to decide whether it's allowed or how it should work.
Actually, EB isn’t that weak a cantrip. Compare it to fire bolt: the damage of both are D10s but EB is force not fire so fewer resistances/immunities. Firebolt you get additional dice of damage at LS 5/10/15, EB you get addition blasts so additional dice, but they are separately targetable so more versatility. There is the down side that you make seperate attack rolls so if you are targeting the same foe you may get less damage. When compared to magic missile it fits as a cantrip - 1 to 10 damage vs 3-15 damage, both can hit one or multiple targets, EB needs an attack roll while MM is auto hit. So it’s the cantrip version of magic missile really. In 2014 I often took the warlock initiate for my melee rangers as it actually allows better damage than a longbow, almost the same range and more shots in tier 3/4. Finding a way to get it using a casting stat other than charisma would be very sweet. I’ll be looking into the Eldritch adept feat for 2024.
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I am not them, but I'm guessing its because of the lore of warlocks saying they are seekers of knowledge and power.
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I am Dart. I am a little platinum faerie dragon who is a member of the DragonClub (look it up on dnd beyond)
That or for a Wizard that wants EB
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Yeah that is sort of why I asked, if its that just work with your Dm to have a house rule for int to be the warlocks prime stats and the saves are changed from wis/chr to wis/int. It is objectively weaker, there is not reason not to allow it. If its for like a evoker build there may be better alternatives.
I mean if you can dip into Warlock and take your pick of attributes for use with a Pact Weapon, that can probably be abused.
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I don't think any of the other int classes will benefit more than the current chr classes that benefit from a dip.
Swap to Wisdom would have a variety of uses.
Eldritch Knights and Arcane Tricksters can become less MAD and dump/mostly dump Strength.
Artificers other than Battle Smiths could benefit. For Artificers, it would diminish the role of the Battle Smith and Armorer (both can already attack with Intelligence).
Bladesinging Wizards become less MAD and use heftier weapons since they don't need to rely on Finesse.
Druids already have Shillelagh but could branch out into other weapon options with a Wisdom Pact Weapon.
Rangers and War Clerics could become less MAD.
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Hmm, a Druid with a Wisdom-based Maul would be fun...