Can someone clarify something for me. When you become a warden in the 2024 druids you gain the ability to wield martial weapons and wear medium armor. But isn't most medium armor metal, which druids can't wear?
RAW, It is 2024 druids have abandonned the old superstions and will now happily wear metal armor.
Even before the 2024 PHB there was a lot of push back (at least on these forums) the wording was "Druids will not wear metal armor", but there was not mention of what would happen if they did. There was a lot of arguement that "will not" is a choice and therefore their druid can choose to wear metal armor and be the exception. I am sorry to see it go it was an old tradition of lore and I am not that keen on cheesy multi classing like I will take a level of cleric/fighter to get heavy armor on my caster although their background and actions give no indications of having any martial training. I would have liked the 2024 PHB to say something like "while wearing metal armor you are unable cast druid spells or go into wildshape" but judging from the threads I think I was in the minority.
I think it should be something like those races who have a close tie to the earth can wear metal armor. Like Dwarves, Duragar, Goliaths, Gnomes, and Earth Genasi
RAW, It is 2024 druids have abandonned the old superstions and will now happily wear metal armor.
Even before the 2024 PHB there was a lot of push back (at least on these forums) the wording was "Druids will not wear metal armor", but there was not mention of what would happen if they did. There was a lot of arguement that "will not" is a choice and therefore their druid can choose to wear metal armor and be the exception. I am sorry to see it go it was an old tradition of lore and I am not that keen on cheesy multi classing like I will take a level of cleric/fighter to get heavy armor on my caster although their background and actions give no indications of having any martial training. I would have liked the 2024 PHB to say something like "while wearing metal armor you are unable cast druid spells or go into wildshape" but judging from the threads I think I was in the minority.
I'm a big fan of having rules shaped by lore and D&D's legacy.
We even had this funny comment in the Sage Advice Compendium, but despite being funny, it mentioned "Each class has story elements mixed with its game features; the two types of design go hand in hand in D&D, and the story parts are stronger in some classes than in others".
Well, not actually. Druids have a taboo against wearing metal armor and wielding a metal shield. The taboo has been part of the class’s story since the class first appeared in Eldritch Wizardry (1976) and the original Player’s Handbook (1978). The idea is that druids prefer to be protected by animal skins, wood, and other natural materials that aren’t the worked metal that is associated with civilization. Druids don’t lack the ability to wear metal armor. They choose not to wear it. This choice is part of their identity as a mystical order. Think of it in these terms: a vegetarian can eat meat, but chooses not to.
A druid typically wears leather, studded leather, or hide armor, and if a druid comes across scale mail made of a material other than metal, the druid might wear it. If you feel strongly about your druid breaking the taboo and donning metal, talk to your DM. Each class has story elements mixed with its game features; the two types of design go hand in hand in D&D, and the story parts are stronger in some classes than in others. Druids and paladins have an especially strong dose of story in their design. If you want to depart from your class’s story, your DM has the final say on how far you can go and still be considered a member of the class. As long as you abide by your character’s proficiencies, you’re not going to break anything in the game system, but you might undermine the story and the world being created in your campaign.
As per Tarodnet's response, it was a case where armours could be made of non-metal components, for example a half-plate made of Dragon Scales would have been usable as Half-Plate armour. historically, Cuir Bouilli is an armour usually created of wood and boiled leather, which was used between the later medieval era to the early modern era that was a light weight replacement to Plate armour as Plate was still expensive to produce and firearms became more predominate on the battlefield.
Mechanically, the materials armor is made of is mostly irrelevant, it only mattered for Druid RP purposes and so most people just ignored it, people are still free to RP that their druid will not wear metal armor but it is no longer something mentioned in the PHB as something druids will not do, as it does not need to be mentioned.
Mechanically, the materials armor is made of is mostly irrelevant, it only mattered for Druid RP purposes and so most people just ignored it, people are still free to RP that their druid will not wear metal armor but it is no longer something mentioned in the PHB as something druids will not do, as it does not need to be mentioned.
As per Tarodnet, it was a case where armours could be made of non-metal components, for example a half-plate made of Dragon Scales would have been usable as Half-Plate armour. historically, Cuir Bouilli is an armour usually created of wood and boiled leather, which was used between the later medieval era to the early modern era that was a light weight replacement to Plate armour as Plate was still expensive to produce and firearms became more predominate on the battlefield.
This is especially valuable to me! Thanks for sharing your historical knowledge! ;)
No problem, seems quote isn't working for me at the minute, but I might be mistaken on the wooden part*, however shields would still obviously have a wooden core.
*I did a quick search as a reminder of when it was used and might have scanned too quickly. I usually like to do a quick fact check on things I say, might have been too quick :).
Mechanically, the materials armor is made of is mostly irrelevant, it only mattered for Druid RP purposes and so most people just ignored it, people are still free to RP that their druid will not wear metal armor but it is no longer something mentioned in the PHB as something druids will not do, as it does not need to be mentioned.
As per Tarodnet, it was a case where armours could be made of non-metal components, for example a half-plate made of Dragon Scales would have been usable as Half-Plate armour. historically, Cuir Bouilli is an armour usually created of wood and boiled leather, which was used between the later medieval era to the early modern era that was a light weight replacement to Plate armour as Plate was still expensive to produce and firearms became more predominate on the battlefield.
This is especially valuable to me! Thanks for sharing your historical knowledge! ;)
Googling on R3sistance's comments, I thought the Wikipedia Article on Boiled Leather would interest you as it mentions reinforcing the leather with crushed minerals (and/or metal strips, but we can skip those) as well as the word "cuirass" suggesting that breastplates were originally leather.
Mechanically, the materials armor is made of is mostly irrelevant, it only mattered for Druid RP purposes and so most people just ignored it, people are still free to RP that their druid will not wear metal armor but it is no longer something mentioned in the PHB as something druids will not do, as it does not need to be mentioned.
As per Tarodnet, it was a case where armours could be made of non-metal components, for example a half-plate made of Dragon Scales would have been usable as Half-Plate armour. historically, Cuir Bouilli is an armour usually created of wood and boiled leather, which was used between the later medieval era to the early modern era that was a light weight replacement to Plate armour as Plate was still expensive to produce and firearms became more predominate on the battlefield.
This is especially valuable to me! Thanks for sharing your historical knowledge! ;)
Gooling on R3sistance's comments, I thought the Wikipedia Article on Boiled Leather would interest you as it mentions reinforcing the leather with crushed minerals (and/or metal strips, but we can skip those) as well as the word "cuirass" suggesting that breastplates were originally leather.
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Can someone clarify something for me. When you become a warden in the 2024 druids you gain the ability to wield martial weapons and wear medium armor. But isn't most medium armor metal, which druids can't wear?
RAW, It is 2024 druids have abandonned the old superstions and will now happily wear metal armor.
Even before the 2024 PHB there was a lot of push back (at least on these forums) the wording was "Druids will not wear metal armor", but there was not mention of what would happen if they did. There was a lot of arguement that "will not" is a choice and therefore their druid can choose to wear metal armor and be the exception. I am sorry to see it go it was an old tradition of lore and I am not that keen on cheesy multi classing like I will take a level of cleric/fighter to get heavy armor on my caster although their background and actions give no indications of having any martial training. I would have liked the 2024 PHB to say something like "while wearing metal armor you are unable cast druid spells or go into wildshape" but judging from the threads I think I was in the minority.
I think it should be something like those races who have a close tie to the earth can wear metal armor. Like Dwarves, Duragar, Goliaths, Gnomes, and Earth Genasi
You're not alone, mate. This was my reaction when I found out about this change after reading the article The 2024 Circle of the Moon Druid and Changes to Wild Shape.
I'm a big fan of having rules shaped by lore and D&D's legacy.
We even had this funny comment in the Sage Advice Compendium, but despite being funny, it mentioned "Each class has story elements mixed with its game features; the two types of design go hand in hand in D&D, and the story parts are stronger in some classes than in others".
As per Tarodnet's response, it was a case where armours could be made of non-metal components, for example a half-plate made of Dragon Scales would have been usable as Half-Plate armour. historically, Cuir Bouilli is an armour usually created of wood and boiled leather, which was used between the later medieval era to the early modern era that was a light weight replacement to Plate armour as Plate was still expensive to produce and firearms became more predominate on the battlefield.
Mechanically, the materials armor is made of is mostly irrelevant, it only mattered for Druid RP purposes and so most people just ignored it, people are still free to RP that their druid will not wear metal armor but it is no longer something mentioned in the PHB as something druids will not do, as it does not need to be mentioned.
It's a very good point of view.
This is especially valuable to me! Thanks for sharing your historical knowledge! ;)
No problem, seems quote isn't working for me at the minute, but I might be mistaken on the wooden part*, however shields would still obviously have a wooden core.
*I did a quick search as a reminder of when it was used and might have scanned too quickly. I usually like to do a quick fact check on things I say, might have been too quick :).
Googling on R3sistance's comments, I thought the Wikipedia Article on Boiled Leather would interest you as it mentions reinforcing the leather with crushed minerals (and/or metal strips, but we can skip those) as well as the word "cuirass" suggesting that breastplates were originally leather.
Happy Druiding.
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