With that I agree, actually. Because the only thing that matters here is when the condition is applied, because conditions are states, and a state can only transition to another state.
In the case of Heavily Obscured areas, the condition is applied whenever you attempt to see something in that area. However, I would argue that if you cast Lesser Restoration after doing that, the condition ends and you can see whatever you were attempting to see. Then, if you try to see something else, the condition is applied again.
For Hunger of Hadar, if you rule that the Blinded condition is infinitely continuously applied (which the spell doesn't say it does, by the way), you are directly contradicting what Lesser Restoration does. Indeed, if the condition is ended for an infinitely small duration before being immediately reapplied, then it's not ended at all. And Lesser Restoration says that it does end the condition, so the condition must end.
You have a blind person and put a bag over their head. You cure blindness. But they still can't see, because while they are no longer blind, the area they are located is causing them not to see. You would need some other spell to remove the cause of being Heavily Obscured .
It's pretty clear lesser restoration is only intended to apply to blinded as a temporary status effect inflicted by a targeted ability, otherwise, in addition to the points mentioned in this thread, you could cast it on a creature that either entirely lacks a sense of sight, or has been permanently blinded (say, eyes removed, which would normally require regenerate to fix) and give them the ability to see.
It’s very clear OP just wants someone to agree with them on some clearly broken ruling for no reason other than pride and maybe doing some really weird stuff with said rules.
It’s very clear OP just wants someone to agree with them on some clearly broken ruling for no reason other than pride and maybe doing some really weird stuff with said rules.
I mean, it's legit sloppy rules. It's just that, unlike a number of other problems with vision rules, it's not hard to guess how it's meant to work.
Not relevant to the actual rules but humorously enough I encountered this 2 nights ago in BG3 I cast hunger of hadar, many of the targets had cleric levels and they started casting lesser restoration on each other. And it seemed to work. I thought it was silly for the reasons mentioned above that the blinded condition would instantly be reapplied. But in BG4 it seemed to work. Wasn't terrible as that was a lot of wasted actions when they could have just left the area.
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You have a blind person and put a bag over their head. You cure blindness. But they still can't see, because while they are no longer blind, the area they are located is causing them not to see. You would need some other spell to remove the cause of being Heavily Obscured .
It's pretty clear lesser restoration is only intended to apply to blinded as a temporary status effect inflicted by a targeted ability, otherwise, in addition to the points mentioned in this thread, you could cast it on a creature that either entirely lacks a sense of sight, or has been permanently blinded (say, eyes removed, which would normally require regenerate to fix) and give them the ability to see.
It’s very clear OP just wants someone to agree with them on some clearly broken ruling for no reason other than pride and maybe doing some really weird stuff with said rules.
I mean, it's legit sloppy rules. It's just that, unlike a number of other problems with vision rules, it's not hard to guess how it's meant to work.
Good Faith interpretation of the rules is mentioned in the PHB iirc. The OP is ignoring that rule I would say.
I know that is in the DMG, not sure if it's in the PHB... but it's good advice for anybody that wants to play with other people.
Not relevant to the actual rules but humorously enough I encountered this 2 nights ago in BG3 I cast hunger of hadar, many of the targets had cleric levels and they started casting lesser restoration on each other. And it seemed to work. I thought it was silly for the reasons mentioned above that the blinded condition would instantly be reapplied. But in BG4 it seemed to work. Wasn't terrible as that was a lot of wasted actions when they could have just left the area.