The class of the slot doesn't matter. Looking to the Eberron UA (because it creates an interesting scenario*), you can have Dragonmark feats that give you Sorcerer spells and a feat that gives you a slot to cast them, so you can be a single class Sorcerer with a slot from outside of the class which can meet the requirements of the Wild Magic Surge, RAW. I am not sure if there are other ways to get a slot like that.
The Dragonmark feats from the Eberron UA don't give you any spell slots you wouldn't already have. They give you a way to cast their particular spell(s) without using a spell slot, which wouldn't trigger Wild Magic Surge because it's not using a spell slot.
Spell slots don't really have a class associated with them anyway.
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Potent Dragonmark
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Dragonmark Spellcasting. You have one spell slot to cast the spells granted by your Dragonmark feat. The spell slot’s level is one-half your level (round up), to a maximum of level 5. You regain the expended slot when you finish a Short or Long Rest. You can use this spell slot to cast only a spell that you have prepared because of your Dragonmark feat or the Dragonmark Preparation benefit of this feat.
We'll see what the final version looks like in ... December?
The class of the slot doesn't matter. Looking to the Eberron UA (because it creates an interesting scenario*), you can have Dragonmark feats that give you Sorcerer spells and a feat that gives you a slot to cast them, so you can be a single class Sorcerer with a slot from outside of the class which can meet the requirements of the Wild Magic Surge, RAW. I am not sure if there are other ways to get a slot like that.
The Dragonmark feats from the Eberron UA don't give you any spell slots you wouldn't already have. They give you a way to cast their particular spell(s) without using a spell slot, which wouldn't trigger Wild Magic Surge because it's not using a spell slot.
Spell slots don't really have a class associated with them anyway.
Last page of the Eberron Update PDF.
Potent Dragonmark
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Dragonmark Spellcasting. You have one spell slot to cast the spells granted by your Dragonmark feat. The spell slot’s level is one-half your level (round up), to a maximum of level 5. You regain the expended slot when you finish a Short or Long Rest. You can use this spell slot to cast only a spell that you have prepared because of your Dragonmark feat or the Dragonmark Preparation benefit of this feat.
We'll see what the final version looks like in ... December?
Fair enough, but the point remains — no spell slots have a class associated with them anyway, so these are no different. If you're a Sorcerer/Wizard, you don't have Sorcerer spell slots and Wizard spell slots; you just have spell slots.
The class of the slot doesn't matter. Looking to the Eberron UA (because it creates an interesting scenario*), you can have Dragonmark feats that give you Sorcerer spells and a feat that gives you a slot to cast them, so you can be a single class Sorcerer with a slot from outside of the class which can meet the requirements of the Wild Magic Surge, RAW. I am not sure if there are other ways to get a slot like that.
The Dragonmark feats from the Eberron UA don't give you any spell slots you wouldn't already have. They give you a way to cast their particular spell(s) without using a spell slot, which wouldn't trigger Wild Magic Surge because it's not using a spell slot.
Spell slots don't really have a class associated with them anyway.
Last page of the Eberron Update PDF.
Potent Dragonmark
...
Dragonmark Spellcasting. You have one spell slot to cast the spells granted by your Dragonmark feat. The spell slot’s level is one-half your level (round up), to a maximum of level 5. You regain the expended slot when you finish a Short or Long Rest. You can use this spell slot to cast only a spell that you have prepared because of your Dragonmark feat or the Dragonmark Preparation benefit of this feat.
We'll see what the final version looks like in ... December?
Fair enough, but the point remains — no spell slots have a class associated with them anyway, so these are no different. If you're a Sorcerer/Wizard, you don't have Sorcerer spell slots and Wizard spell slots; you just have spell slots.
Yes, you only have wizard and sorcerer spells (among other spells)
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Fair enough, but the point remains — no spell slots have a class associated with them anyway, so these are no different. If you're a Sorcerer/Wizard, you don't have Sorcerer spell slots and Wizard spell slots; you just have spell slots.
The slots don't, but the spells do. If you aren't of those classes, you won't have features keying off casting a Sorcerer spell, for example. Are there any scenarios where you get a feature like that from an item (that doesn't require attunement by a member of the class that it affects), species, or feat? Are there any creatures or other effects that react to spells from a certain class being cast?
I have Kobold that can cast Sorcerous Burst from their species trait. Is that a Sorcerer spell even though they are a single class Arcane Trickster? Does the converse assumption add anything?
I have Kobold that can cast Sorcerous Burst from their species trait. Is that a Sorcerer spell even though they are a single class Arcane Trickster? Does the converse assumption add anything?
In this scenario the spell that is cast IS a Sorcerer spell. In this case you are using the rules given by your species trait to prepare and cast that spell instead of using any class feature to perform those activities. So, for example, when casting that spell you would be using the Spellcasting Ability that is given by those rules for your species trait and NOT the Spellcasting Ability that is listed within the Sorcerer Spellcasting class feature (which you do not have access to as a single class Arcane Trickster) and you also are NOT using the Spellcasting Ability that is listed within the Spellcasting class feature that is provided to an Arcane Trickster. You also would not be able to use a Spellcasting Focus to cast this spell since the species trait does not explicitly provide any method for doing so (moot in this exact case since the spell that you happened to choose does not require an M component).
I have Kobold that can cast Sorcerous Burst from their species trait. Is that a Sorcerer spell even though they are a single class Arcane Trickster? Does the converse assumption add anything?
In this scenario the spell that is cast IS a Sorcerer spell. In this case you are using the rules given by your species trait to prepare and cast that spell instead of using any class feature to perform those activities. So, for example, when casting that spell you would be using the Spellcasting Ability that is given by those rules for your species trait and NOT the Spellcasting Ability that is listed within the Sorcerer Spellcasting class feature (which you do not have access to as a single class Arcane Trickster) and you also are NOT using the Spellcasting Ability that is listed within the Spellcasting class feature that is provided to an Arcane Trickster. You also would not be able to use a Spellcasting Focus to cast this spell since the species trait does not explicitly provide any method for doing so (moot in this exact case since the spell that you happened to choose does not require an M component).
Right. Can a Kobold species trait have you know a cantrip from the Sorcerer spell list and that not be a Sorcerer spell regardless of whether you are a Sorcerer or not? If no, doesn't that disprove the SAC ruling about multiclassing?
Secondarily, if the spell can be a Sorcerer Spell when you don't have an Sorcerer class levels, does that matter? Are there any scenarios where it being a Sorcerer spell matters? For example, a Bloodwell Vial adds to attack rolls and saves of Sorcerer spells, but it doesn't matter because you have to be a Sorcerer to attune it. In 3.x, you might have Feats with requirements like "the ability to spontaneously cast Arcane spells" but I am not aware of an equivalent in 5.x. I also can't think of anything that would be something like "whenever a sorcerer spell is cast within X feat."
So, I think if you are not a Sorcerer, the classification is moot. If you are a Sorcerer, it's just an additional spell. If it's a level 1+ spell, it's one more spell prepared. If it's one you want to cast and trigger Wild Magic Surge with, the SAC would have you double up on preparing it. I don't think the multiclassing SAC makes sense in this context.
A Wild Magic Sorcerer 3 / Wizard X can trigger, IMO, Wild Magic Surges on spells prepared as a Wizard that are also on the Sorcerer's spell list. And vice versa, a Sorcerer X / Abjuration Wizard 3 can cast Abjuration Sorcerer spells to trigger Arcane Ward. It might be odd, but a Wild Magic Sorcerer 3+ / Abjuration Wizard 3+ would have a full set of spell slots, but a reduced level of prepared spells and can trigger Wild Magic Surge and Arcane Ward effects on any spell that is both a Sorcerer spell and an Abjuration spell. Maybe a level 8 in one and 12 in the other. Is that actually problematic?
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Fair enough, but the point remains — no spell slots have a class associated with them anyway, so these are no different. If you're a Sorcerer/Wizard, you don't have Sorcerer spell slots and Wizard spell slots; you just have spell slots.
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The slots don't, but the spells do. If you aren't of those classes, you won't have features keying off casting a Sorcerer spell, for example. Are there any scenarios where you get a feature like that from an item (that doesn't require attunement by a member of the class that it affects), species, or feat? Are there any creatures or other effects that react to spells from a certain class being cast?
I have Kobold that can cast Sorcerous Burst from their species trait. Is that a Sorcerer spell even though they are a single class Arcane Trickster? Does the converse assumption add anything?
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In this scenario the spell that is cast IS a Sorcerer spell. In this case you are using the rules given by your species trait to prepare and cast that spell instead of using any class feature to perform those activities. So, for example, when casting that spell you would be using the Spellcasting Ability that is given by those rules for your species trait and NOT the Spellcasting Ability that is listed within the Sorcerer Spellcasting class feature (which you do not have access to as a single class Arcane Trickster) and you also are NOT using the Spellcasting Ability that is listed within the Spellcasting class feature that is provided to an Arcane Trickster. You also would not be able to use a Spellcasting Focus to cast this spell since the species trait does not explicitly provide any method for doing so (moot in this exact case since the spell that you happened to choose does not require an M component).
Right. Can a Kobold species trait have you know a cantrip from the Sorcerer spell list and that not be a Sorcerer spell regardless of whether you are a Sorcerer or not? If no, doesn't that disprove the SAC ruling about multiclassing?
Secondarily, if the spell can be a Sorcerer Spell when you don't have an Sorcerer class levels, does that matter? Are there any scenarios where it being a Sorcerer spell matters? For example, a Bloodwell Vial adds to attack rolls and saves of Sorcerer spells, but it doesn't matter because you have to be a Sorcerer to attune it. In 3.x, you might have Feats with requirements like "the ability to spontaneously cast Arcane spells" but I am not aware of an equivalent in 5.x. I also can't think of anything that would be something like "whenever a sorcerer spell is cast within X feat."
So, I think if you are not a Sorcerer, the classification is moot. If you are a Sorcerer, it's just an additional spell. If it's a level 1+ spell, it's one more spell prepared. If it's one you want to cast and trigger Wild Magic Surge with, the SAC would have you double up on preparing it. I don't think the multiclassing SAC makes sense in this context.
A Wild Magic Sorcerer 3 / Wizard X can trigger, IMO, Wild Magic Surges on spells prepared as a Wizard that are also on the Sorcerer's spell list. And vice versa, a Sorcerer X / Abjuration Wizard 3 can cast Abjuration Sorcerer spells to trigger Arcane Ward. It might be odd, but a Wild Magic Sorcerer 3+ / Abjuration Wizard 3+ would have a full set of spell slots, but a reduced level of prepared spells and can trigger Wild Magic Surge and Arcane Ward effects on any spell that is both a Sorcerer spell and an Abjuration spell. Maybe a level 8 in one and 12 in the other. Is that actually problematic?
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