Bears mentioning that the Giant Toad must spend an action to swallow a grappled creature. So, it bites you on its first turn, and if you're a medium or smaller creature, it grapples you. Initiative rolls around and, unless something causes you to forfeit your turn, you get a standard action, during which time you are free to liberate yourself via a DC 12 Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check. Should you fail to do so (or choose to spend your turn doing something else), then it CAN spend its next action swallowing you, or it can do whatever else it wants with its action.
This is part of a general trend in the design of 2024-style monsters; most of the monsters whose attacks have add-on effects that used to allow a saving throw to avoid them no longer do. The point of this is both to reduce the degree to which games get bogged down with rolling lots of saving throws, and to make monsters a bit more challenging and interesting to match the fact that player character classes have in general become more powerful.
So, as long as they are wallowed and I just use other attacks, like my wild shape spells, the enemy will just digest to death, as long as I don't fall unconcious.
So, as long as they are wallowed and I just use other attacks, like my wild shape spells, the enemy will just digest to death, as long as I don't fall unconcious.
Well, they can still attack you from the inside, though they'd have disadvantage because they're Blinded and Restrained.
So, as long as they are wallowed and I just use other attacks, like my wild shape spells, the enemy will just digest to death, as long as I don't fall unconcious.
Well, they can still attack you from the inside, though they'd have disadvantage because they're Blinded and Restrained.
Technically, neither Advantage nor Disadvantage. Since the Giant Toad can't see the swallowed creature, that creature also has Advantage on attack rolls.
Unseen Attackers and Targets
When you make an attack roll against a target you can’t see, you have Disadvantage on the roll. This is true whether you’re guessing the target’s location or targeting a creature you can hear but not see. If the target isn’t in the location you targeted, you miss.
When a creature can’t see you, you have Advantage on attack rolls against it.
If you are hidden when you make an attack roll, you give away your location when the attack hits or misses.
So, as long as they are wallowed and I just use other attacks, like my wild shape spells, the enemy will just digest to death, as long as I don't fall unconcious.
Well, they can still attack you from the inside, though they'd have disadvantage because they're Blinded and Restrained.
Technically, neither Advantage nor Disadvantage. Since the Giant Toad can't see the swallowed creature, that creature also has Advantage on attack rolls.
Unseen Attackers and Targets
When you make an attack roll against a target you can’t see, you have Disadvantage on the roll. This is true whether you’re guessing the target’s location or targeting a creature you can hear but not see. If the target isn’t in the location you targeted, you miss.
When a creature can’t see you, you have Advantage on attack rolls against it.
If you are hidden when you make an attack roll, you give away your location when the attack hits or misses.
Oh, I hadn’t thought about that, but that makes sense.
Well... if it makes sense, not sure. I mean, it's RAW, but I won't deny it could be considered odd.
I guess a DM could still say the attack has Disadvantage in that particular scenario, or give the creature some kind of penalty on the attack roll.
Determine Modifiers. The DM determines whether the target has Cover (see the next section) and whether you have Advantage or Disadvantage against the target. In addition, spells, special abilities, and other effects can apply penalties or bonuses to your attack roll.
EDIT: for clarity. EDIT2: I wrote Adv/bonus instead of DisAdv/penalty, sorry!
Technically, neither Advantage nor Disadvantage. Since the Giant Toad can't see the swallowed creature, that creature also has Advantage on attack rolls.
Can the toad not see the swallowed creature though? Rules-wise I'm not sure there is evidence to indicate that is the case.
The swallow effect gives total cover from things "outside the toad". The toad is arguably not outside the toad.
Otherwise the stomach is not described as obscured in any way, nor is there another rule I can see that supports unseen-ness being the RAW state of the contents of the toad's stomachs.
This is also, of course, a ridiculous thing to argue in either direction. My ruling would be that every creature has Blindsight as regards to other creatures inside its own body.
I wouldn't consider the Blindness to be the factor in attacks. I would go with the Restrained condition. Not being able to move freely makes more sense in making attacks less effective.
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Technically, neither Advantage nor Disadvantage. Since the Giant Toad can't see the swallowed creature, that creature also has Advantage on attack rolls.
Can the toad not see the swallowed creature though? Rules-wise I'm not sure there is evidence to indicate that is the case.
The swallow effect gives total cover from things "outside the toad". The toad is arguably not outside the toad.
Otherwise the stomach is not described as obscured in any way, nor is there another rule I can see that supports unseen-ness being the RAW state of the contents of the toad's stomachs.
This is also, of course, a ridiculous thing to argue in either direction. My ruling would be that every creature has Blindsight as regards to other creatures inside its own body.
I will be taking no further questions.
This may be the dumbest rules discussion i've seen. Not that the points made are dumb - it's what the rules say. But how the rules work is dumb.
Technically, neither Advantage nor Disadvantage. Since the Giant Toad can't see the swallowed creature, that creature also has Advantage on attack rolls.
Can the toad not see the swallowed creature though? Rules-wise I'm not sure there is evidence to indicate that is the case.
The swallow effect gives total cover from things "outside the toad". The toad is arguably not outside the toad.
Otherwise the stomach is not described as obscured in any way, nor is there another rule I can see that supports unseen-ness being the RAW state of the contents of the toad's stomachs.
This is also, of course, a ridiculous thing to argue in either direction. My ruling would be that every creature has Blindsight as regards to other creatures inside its own body.
I will be taking no further questions.
This may be the dumbest rules discussion i've seen. Not that the points made are dumb - it's what the rules say. But how the rules work is dumb.
I've found that the fact that advantage and disadvantage always cancel each other out, no matter what the source of either of them is or how many sources of either of them there are, leads to a surprising number of weird edge cases where the DM has to override that if they want the situation to make any sense at all.
This may be the dumbest rules discussion i've seen. Not that the points made are dumb - it's what the rules say. But how the rules work is dumb.
I've found that the fact that advantage and disadvantage always cancel each other out, no matter what the source of either of them is or how many sources of either of them there are, leads to a surprising number of weird edge cases where the DM has to override that if they want the situation to make any sense at all.
I was about to say the same. Since it's a simple mechanic, it can lead to this kind of behavior.
That's why I also mentioned that a DM could rule the attack has Disadvantage in the proposed scenario, just using common sense.
Does the enemy get a save once it has been bitten by the Toad, or is it simply swallowed?
If it's for the 2024 Giant Toad, yeah, it gets swallowed with no Saving Throw.
The 2014 Giant Toad version is different, discussed for a similar monster here: How do frog"s Swallowing mechanic works.
Bears mentioning that the Giant Toad must spend an action to swallow a grappled creature. So, it bites you on its first turn, and if you're a medium or smaller creature, it grapples you. Initiative rolls around and, unless something causes you to forfeit your turn, you get a standard action, during which time you are free to liberate yourself via a DC 12 Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check. Should you fail to do so (or choose to spend your turn doing something else), then it CAN spend its next action swallowing you, or it can do whatever else it wants with its action.
Okay,
This is part of a general trend in the design of 2024-style monsters; most of the monsters whose attacks have add-on effects that used to allow a saving throw to avoid them no longer do. The point of this is both to reduce the degree to which games get bogged down with rolling lots of saving throws, and to make monsters a bit more challenging and interesting to match the fact that player character classes have in general become more powerful.
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Okay,
So, as long as they are wallowed and I just use other attacks, like my wild shape spells, the enemy will just digest to death, as long as I don't fall unconcious.
Well, they can still attack you from the inside, though they'd have disadvantage because they're Blinded and Restrained.
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Technically, neither Advantage nor Disadvantage. Since the Giant Toad can't see the swallowed creature, that creature also has Advantage on attack rolls.
Oh, I hadn’t thought about that, but that makes sense.
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Well... if it makes sense, not sure. I mean, it's RAW, but I won't deny it could be considered odd.
I guess a DM could still say the attack has Disadvantage in that particular scenario, or give the creature some kind of penalty on the attack roll.
EDIT: for clarity.
EDIT2: I wrote Adv/bonus instead of DisAdv/penalty, sorry!
Can the toad not see the swallowed creature though? Rules-wise I'm not sure there is evidence to indicate that is the case.
The swallow effect gives total cover from things "outside the toad". The toad is arguably not outside the toad.
Otherwise the stomach is not described as obscured in any way, nor is there another rule I can see that supports unseen-ness being the RAW state of the contents of the toad's stomachs.
This is also, of course, a ridiculous thing to argue in either direction. My ruling would be that every creature has Blindsight as regards to other creatures inside its own body.
I will be taking no further questions.
I'd say the Blinded condition is because the stomach is not what I'd call a bright place.
I wouldn't consider the Blindness to be the factor in attacks. I would go with the Restrained condition. Not being able to move freely makes more sense in making attacks less effective.
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"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
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This may be the dumbest rules discussion i've seen. Not that the points made are dumb - it's what the rules say. But how the rules work is dumb.
I'd rule a swallowed target's attack rolls have Disadvantage against the Giant Toad.
I've found that the fact that advantage and disadvantage always cancel each other out, no matter what the source of either of them is or how many sources of either of them there are, leads to a surprising number of weird edge cases where the DM has to override that if they want the situation to make any sense at all.
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I was about to say the same. Since it's a simple mechanic, it can lead to this kind of behavior.
That's why I also mentioned that a DM could rule the attack has Disadvantage in the proposed scenario, just using common sense.