We had an encounter and I was curious how other people would handle it.
Our Divine Sorcerer was grappled by a Vampire. This meant the Sorcerer would have to pass a DC:18 Athletics or Acrobatics test, which is a very difficult check for him.
Since Forced Movement which exceeds reach automatically breaks a Grappled Condition. The Fighter thought of Shoving the Sorcerer pushing him outside the Vampire's reach.
The discussion then started. Who is the Fighter contesting the Shove? RAW would be the Fighter rolls vs the Sorcerer, because he is shoving him. The DM thought he should roll vs the Vampire because he's the one holding the Sorcerer. Also, can the Sorcerer not contest the shove and choose to automatically fail the check?
In the end the DM decided to have the Fighter shove the Sorcerer and the Sorcerer didn't contest. This allowed the Sorcerer to be outside the Paladin's aura that kept him from being charmed.
I wanted to see how other people would treat this.
RAW the contested roll is against the Sorcerer, who has no option for failing the roll. There's no rule that allows them to deliberately fail.
As a DM I roll against the vampire for obvious reasons; the sorcerer wants to get pushed and the vampire wants to hold on. Ideally the players try to shove the vampire instead and then we don't have to open this can of worms.
We had an encounter and I was curious how other people would handle it.
Our Divine Sorcerer was grappled by a Vampire.
This meant the Sorcerer would have to pass a DC:18 Athletics or Acrobatics test, which is a very difficult check for him.
Since Forced Movement which exceeds reach automatically breaks a Grappled Condition. The Fighter thought of Shoving the Sorcerer pushing him outside the Vampire's reach.
The discussion then started. Who is the Fighter contesting the Shove?
RAW would be the Fighter rolls vs the Sorcerer, because he is shoving him. The DM thought he should roll vs the Vampire because he's the one holding the Sorcerer.
Also, can the Sorcerer not contest the shove and choose to automatically fail the check?
In the end the DM decided to have the Fighter shove the Sorcerer and the Sorcerer didn't contest. This allowed the Sorcerer to be outside the Paladin's aura that kept him from being charmed.
I wanted to see how other people would treat this.
I would do as the DM did.
The grappling condition sets your speed to 0 (which is different from saying the target can't be moved).
RAW the contested roll is against the Sorcerer, who has no option for failing the roll. There's no rule that allows them to deliberately fail.
As a DM I roll against the vampire for obvious reasons; the sorcerer wants to get pushed and the vampire wants to hold on. Ideally the players try to shove the vampire instead and then we don't have to open this can of worms.
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Agreed with Inquisitive. As a DM, I'd have the vampire contest it, not the sorcerer.