I know that rolling a Nat 20 for an attack equals an automatic hit with crit damage, but would this translate to an auto success for a saving throw as well?
For example: say a 7th level warlock with a 20 in CHA casts banishment on an iron golem. The iron golem will of course have advantage on its saving throw but with a +3 proficiency bonus and a +5 charisma bonus, that warlock's spell save DC will be 16 and an iron golem has a -5 to charisma saving throws. So even if that golem were to roll a nat 20, the total would still only be a fifteen, meaning the golem would automatically fail no matter what they rolled.
So, in this scenario and beyond, would rolling a nat 20 supersede any penalty or modifier affecting the target or are so called critical successes only reserved for attacks and death saving throws?
By Rules as Written, the Nat 20 (Critical Success)/Nat 1 (Critical Failure) rules only affect Attack rolls and Death Saving Throws.
For attacks: a Nat 20 is an automatic success and you roll double the damage dice. A Nat 1 means the automatically automatically misses.
For death saving throws: a Nat 20 automatically stabilises you and heals you 1 HP. A Nat 1 results in two failed death saves.
Nothing else is affected by the "critical rolls".
However, many tables employ them in other areas (like normal saving throws) as houserules.
Personally I don't employ crit rolls in other things but will consider them "style prompts" - an excuse to be flavourful when describing it. If you succeeded on your Dex Save, even if only by 1 point, but it was a nat 20 - then sure you succeeded, but you did in style: with perfect form and a flourish like it was easy. But if you had nat 1'd and failed, even if by one point, then you did so with such poor form it was embarassing and made the enemy laugh at you.
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So, in this scenario and beyond, would rolling a nat 20 supersede any penalty or modifier affecting the target or are so called critical successes only reserved for attacks and death saving throws?
I agree with the rest of the responders. As a DM, I do however allow an extra flourish when someone rolls a natural 20 on an ability check, assuming the end result is a success. That flourish could be additional information gathered, or a particularly impressive display of the skill in question.
I don't do any sort of thing for saving throws though.
So my DM I feel is giving us the raw end... let's say I cast a spell and it has a DC 18 saving throw and he rolls a nat 20, instead of taking half damage he says that he is immune and takes no damage, leaving me with a wasted spell slot and turn.
That's definitely not RAW- assuming the spell description did indeed say half damage on a successful save- and is a bit of a flag that you might have a combative DM. Best thing to do is talk to them about it, and if they're not budging and calls like this are killing your fun, then you should walk.
That is clearly not RAW, and it raises the possibility that your DM may be confrontational, presuming the spell description actually said half damage on a successful save.
I know that rolling a Nat 20 for an attack equals an automatic hit with crit damage, but would this translate to an auto success for a saving throw as well?
For example: say a 7th level warlock with a 20 in CHA casts banishment on an iron golem. The iron golem will of course have advantage on its saving throw but with a +3 proficiency bonus and a +5 charisma bonus, that warlock's spell save DC will be 16 and an iron golem has a -5 to charisma saving throws. So even if that golem were to roll a nat 20, the total would still only be a fifteen, meaning the golem would automatically fail no matter what they rolled.
So, in this scenario and beyond, would rolling a nat 20 supersede any penalty or modifier affecting the target or are so called critical successes only reserved for attacks and death saving throws?
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By Rules as Written, the Nat 20 (Critical Success)/Nat 1 (Critical Failure) rules only affect Attack rolls and Death Saving Throws.
For attacks: a Nat 20 is an automatic success and you roll double the damage dice. A Nat 1 means the automatically automatically misses.
For death saving throws: a Nat 20 automatically stabilises you and heals you 1 HP. A Nat 1 results in two failed death saves.
Nothing else is affected by the "critical rolls".
However, many tables employ them in other areas (like normal saving throws) as houserules.
Personally I don't employ crit rolls in other things but will consider them "style prompts" - an excuse to be flavourful when describing it. If you succeeded on your Dex Save, even if only by 1 point, but it was a nat 20 - then sure you succeeded, but you did in style: with perfect form and a flourish like it was easy. But if you had nat 1'd and failed, even if by one point, then you did so with such poor form it was embarassing and made the enemy laugh at you.
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Here is what the Basic Rules say about rolling a natural 20 on an attack roll.
So the only thing that can stop a natural 20 from hitting is a specific rule that supersedes this general rule.
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Yup. For example: Adamantine armor negates the effect of a critical hit; it still hits, but does not double the damage dice.
I agree with the rest of the responders. As a DM, I do however allow an extra flourish when someone rolls a natural 20 on an ability check, assuming the end result is a success. That flourish could be additional information gathered, or a particularly impressive display of the skill in question.
I don't do any sort of thing for saving throws though.
So my DM I feel is giving us the raw end... let's say I cast a spell and it has a DC 18 saving throw and he rolls a nat 20, instead of taking half damage he says that he is immune and takes no damage, leaving me with a wasted spell slot and turn.
That's definitely not RAW- assuming the spell description did indeed say half damage on a successful save- and is a bit of a flag that you might have a combative DM. Best thing to do is talk to them about it, and if they're not budging and calls like this are killing your fun, then you should walk.
That is clearly not RAW, and it raises the possibility that your DM may be confrontational, presuming the spell description actually said half damage on a successful save.
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I would say that nat 1s do something more than auto fail like on a save the thing It does is stronger or is longer
You can say it, but RAW the only d20 tests a nat 1 has any specific effect on are attack rolls and death saves.