By far the most amazing boss ever (in my opinion). In my party in order to slay her they had to ride a tortesque into battle against her. What other ways can the battle be a fair one?
Rise of tiamat mentions several ways to decrease her power (can make her go from challenge rating 30 to 21), which is still deadly, but able to defeat.
She has no dad, and Bahamut is not Tiamat's brother.
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She has no dad, and Bahamut is not Tiamat's brother.
According to the basic cosmology, Tiamat and Bahamut were formed from the two halves of Io's corpse. Bahamut is thus her "brother" and Io is her "father"
She has no dad, and Bahamut is not Tiamat's brother.
According to the basic cosmology, Tiamat and Bahamut were formed from the two halves of Io's corpse. Bahamut is thus her "brother" and Io is her "father"
Not really, they weren't actually "born", so they can't be siblings. I think of them as two different sides of the same coin, good dragons for Bahamut, and evil dragons for Tiamat. They're kind of like clones, but they choose to be different in appearance to make their portfolios more apparent.
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Yep, Asgorath/Io was the king of all dragons, not good, not bad, all. When he was split in half, he was divided into Tiamat and Bahamut, two different parts of his portfolio, split down the middle, just as Erek-Hus's axe split his body in half.
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I honestly don't think it matters? They're gods, so human family conventions doesn't really apply either way. "Brother" and "Sister" and "Father" is a simplified way of looking at it, just like how Selune and Shar aren't really "sisters", but everyone calls them that anyway (because 80s and they weren't allowed to be lesbians). Hell, none of them probably have genders in the traditional sense
I agree that they aren't truly brother and sister, but calling them that is a whole lot easier than saying "Opposite sides of a single coin formed by fission"
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Theres an alternate, less common, way tiamat and bahamut came about which puts them as the children of Io instead of the two parts of him. Which makes them siblings. Beyond that if they did come from the same person being split in half their technically the same person with the biggest case of personality disorder kinda like how you said which I find to be the halirous option.
Love Tiamat! (You're speaking to Tiamat's #1 fan right here). If you want to make the most glorious villain in all of D&D "fairer" for the party, you could do that in multiple ways:
1) Like other people have said, adding a high-CR monster to the fight would help the party. Adding Bahamut wouldn't help as much, though, since Bahamut is technically the most powerful creature in the game (by a tiny margin, but still...). Thus, that might give them an unfair advantage...unless you gave Tiamat minions, but then the whole thing is overly complicated.
2) You could give the party a powerful magic item (a dragonlance or the like) that works well against Tiamat (perhaps some emblem of Bahamut's followers?), which could give them a better shot at defeating her.
3) Decrease her CR and steal some of her stuff away. Rise of Tiamat does have that sort of thing, but if you want to choose some of her powers, then you might have to take scissors to the stat block yourself.
4) Considering the one above, you could make an entirely new stat block for Tiamat, or use something like the Chromatic Greatwyrm (tooltips were not finding) stat block. It's CR 27 (I think), so it's slightly less powerful, but certainly still a BBEG for the players.
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By far the most amazing boss ever (in my opinion). In my party in order to slay her they had to ride a tortesque into battle against her. What other ways can the battle be a fair one?
The PC's had no problem facing the debuffed Tiamat in each of my Tyranny of Dragons campaigns Also, in my Avernus campaign finale, the PC's rode Tiamat into battle against Demogorgon riding Demodragon. Tiamat was almost taken out (and temporarily had to retreat) when the opposing Demonic army focused on her.
Theres an alternate, less common, way tiamat and bahamut came about which puts them as the children of Io instead of the two parts of him. Which makes them siblings. Beyond that if they did come from the same person being split in half their technically the same person with the biggest case of personality disorder kinda like how you said which I find to be the halirous option.
Yeah, at this point there have been several different origin stories for Tiamat and Bahamut throughout the editions, and even the current ones are just that...stories. So arguing which one is "correct" isn't really helpful. Especially since if you homebrew your world, you could just give them another yet another origin story like I did that works just as well.
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Love Tiamat! (You're speaking to Tiamat's #1 fan right here). If you want to make the most glorious villain in all of D&D "fairer" for the party, you could do that in multiple ways:
1) Like other people have said, adding a high-CR monster to the fight would help the party. Adding Bahamut wouldn't help as much, though, since Bahamut is technically the most powerful creature in the game (by a tiny margin, but still...). Thus, that might give them an unfair advantage...unless you gave Tiamat minions, but then the whole thing is overly complicated.
2) You could give the party a powerful magic item (a dragonlance or the like) that works well against Tiamat (perhaps some emblem of Bahamut's followers?), which could give them a better shot at defeating her.
3) Decrease her CR and steal some of her stuff away. Rise of Tiamat does have that sort of thing, but if you want to choose some of her powers, then you might have to take scissors to the stat block yourself.
4) Considering the one above, you could make an entirely new stat block for Tiamat, or use something like the Chromatic Greatwyrm (tooltips were not finding) stat block. It's CR 27 (I think), so it's slightly less powerful, but certainly still a BBEG for the players.
I also really like Tiamat, but I have to note: fights with her are incredibly fair, considering she is a LITERAL GODDESS.
Make her anything less than she is, and it's not as interesting. If a fight with a goddess is as easy for the players as a fight with other mighty creatures, it isn't fair to the goddess.
Just my opinion. Also, I quoted Weslocke because of our shared liking of Tiamat, not to try and argue with their points. Just want that to be clear.
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By far the most amazing boss ever (in my opinion). In my party in order to slay her they had to ride a tortesque into battle against her. What other ways can the battle be a fair one?
Rise of tiamat mentions several ways to decrease her power (can make her go from challenge rating 30 to 21), which is still deadly, but able to defeat.
D&D is a game for nerds... so I guess I'm one :p
Get her brother in on the action. If you're up for some deific resurrection, you can get her dad as well
She has no dad, and Bahamut is not Tiamat's brother.
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If there was no light, people wouldn't fear the dark.
According to the basic cosmology, Tiamat and Bahamut were formed from the two halves of Io's corpse. Bahamut is thus her "brother" and Io is her "father"
Not really, they weren't actually "born", so they can't be siblings. I think of them as two different sides of the same coin, good dragons for Bahamut, and evil dragons for Tiamat. They're kind of like clones, but they choose to be different in appearance to make their portfolios more apparent.
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If there was no light, people wouldn't fear the dark.
Yep, Asgorath/Io was the king of all dragons, not good, not bad, all. When he was split in half, he was divided into Tiamat and Bahamut, two different parts of his portfolio, split down the middle, just as Erek-Hus's axe split his body in half.
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I honestly don't think it matters? They're gods, so human family conventions doesn't really apply either way. "Brother" and "Sister" and "Father" is a simplified way of looking at it, just like how Selune and Shar aren't really "sisters", but everyone calls them that anyway (because 80s and they weren't allowed to be lesbians). Hell, none of them probably have genders in the traditional sense
I agree that they aren't truly brother and sister, but calling them that is a whole lot easier than saying "Opposite sides of a single coin formed by fission"
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if Lo was split exactly down the middle, why did one side have 4 more heads then other think emoji
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If there was no light, people wouldn't fear the dark.
Theres an alternate, less common, way tiamat and bahamut came about which puts them as the children of Io instead of the two parts of him. Which makes them siblings. Beyond that if they did come from the same person being split in half their technically the same person with the biggest case of personality disorder kinda like how you said which I find to be the halirous option.
Love Tiamat! (You're speaking to Tiamat's #1 fan right here). If you want to make the most glorious villain in all of D&D "fairer" for the party, you could do that in multiple ways:
1) Like other people have said, adding a high-CR monster to the fight would help the party. Adding Bahamut wouldn't help as much, though, since Bahamut is technically the most powerful creature in the game (by a tiny margin, but still...). Thus, that might give them an unfair advantage...unless you gave Tiamat minions, but then the whole thing is overly complicated.
2) You could give the party a powerful magic item (a dragonlance or the like) that works well against Tiamat (perhaps some emblem of Bahamut's followers?), which could give them a better shot at defeating her.
3) Decrease her CR and steal some of her stuff away. Rise of Tiamat does have that sort of thing, but if you want to choose some of her powers, then you might have to take scissors to the stat block yourself.
4) Considering the one above, you could make an entirely new stat block for Tiamat, or use something like the Chromatic Greatwyrm (tooltips were not finding) stat block. It's CR 27 (I think), so it's slightly less powerful, but certainly still a BBEG for the players.
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The PC's had no problem facing the debuffed Tiamat in each of my Tyranny of Dragons campaigns Also, in my Avernus campaign finale, the PC's rode Tiamat into battle against Demogorgon riding Demodragon. Tiamat was almost taken out (and temporarily had to retreat) when the opposing Demonic army focused on her.
Yeah, at this point there have been several different origin stories for Tiamat and Bahamut throughout the editions, and even the current ones are just that...stories. So arguing which one is "correct" isn't really helpful. Especially since if you homebrew your world, you could just give them another yet another origin story like I did that works just as well.
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I also really like Tiamat, but I have to note: fights with her are incredibly fair, considering she is a LITERAL GODDESS.
Make her anything less than she is, and it's not as interesting. If a fight with a goddess is as easy for the players as a fight with other mighty creatures, it isn't fair to the goddess.
Just my opinion. Also, I quoted Weslocke because of our shared liking of Tiamat, not to try and argue with their points. Just want that to be clear.
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