It would take 10 rounds just to take off light armor.
If you are a Glamour Bard, Mantle of Majesty gives you a minute of Command spells. You can keep telling the light armored foe to “undress” for the whole fight. If he was charmed first, they automatically fail the saving throws, so it’s sustainable for the whole minute.
I actually use this to kill random nps or monsters. First, before the fight, cast goodberry and detect magic, next, when you are near the target, cast command and say "eat" giving them the goodberrys. Once the magic berries are down their gullet, cast shape water twice, first moving the magic water into the bloodstream, then choose freeze once the water is in their heart, and you kill the monster!! Yay! Enjoy watching your dm's jaw drop as you re-create bloodbending in dnd.
I actually use this to kill random nps or monsters. First, before the fight, cast goodberry and detect magic, next, when you are near the target, cast command and say "eat" giving them the goodberrys. Once the magic berries are down their gullet, cast shape water twice, first moving the magic water into the bloodstream, then choose freeze once the water is in their heart, and you kill the monster!! Yay! Enjoy watching your dm's jaw drop as you re-create bloodbending in dnd.
And here's the typical GM reaction to a player actually trying that in a game:
You can't use Shape Water on water that's inside a creature's body. The spell doesn't remotely work like that.
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Detect Magic doesn't work that way, and you can't target objects that are inside a creature. And Shape Water is a cantrip, you can't use it to kill people without a saving throw, you can't use it to inflict damage on a target- if it had that ability it would say so.
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Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
fine, shape water I get, but where does it say I can't target the magic juice?
"For the duration, you sense the presence of magic within 30 feet of you. If you sense magic in this way, you can use your action to see a faint aura around any visible creature or object in the area that bears magic"
Because once the magic juice is inside a target it's no longer an individual object. A goodberry is a consumable, once it's consumed it's gone and any residual effects are part of the creature that ate it. You can target water that's in an open container, not inside a creature- for the same reason you can't use Shape Water on someone's blood.
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Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Because once the magic juice is inside a target it's no longer an individual object. A goodberry is a consumable, once it's consumed it's gone and any residual effects are part of the creature that ate it. You can target water that's in an open container, not inside a creature- for the same reason you can't use Shape Water on someone's blood.
Exactly. Our bodies are comprised mostly of water. Pretty sure the game designers would not design a cantrip to be an auto-kill, and any DM would be insane to allow it.
Use the comand spell to compel a paladin's find steed or find greater steed to flee or buck or grovel. Now the paladin has to make a DEX save or fall off.
I'm partial to "grovel" and "accompany" for commands. The first because it fits thematically with the bard I was playing, and the second because it can be very useful to have dimension door affect an enemy, but for it to do so the enemy needs to be (temporarily, at least) willing...
Use the comand spell to compel a paladin's find steed or find greater steed to flee or buck or grovel. Now the paladin has to make a DEX save or fall off.
I love this idea...but a paladin's Aura of Protection will certainly make it more challenging.
Still a good tactic against mounted opponents, provided the mount is either intelligent or the GM rules that the mount can understand verbal commands (which I think any critter smart enough to be trained as a mount ought to know verbal commands in its rider's language).
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Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Because once the magic juice is inside a target it's no longer an individual object. A goodberry is a consumable, once it's consumed it's gone and any residual effects are part of the creature that ate it. You can target water that's in an open container, not inside a creature- for the same reason you can't use Shape Water on someone's blood.
Exactly. Our bodies are comprised mostly of water. Pretty sure the game designers would not design a cantrip to be an auto-kill, and any DM would be insane to allow it.
that is A cool idea for A 5th or something level spell called "bloodbend) that could have a monster attempt a con save a and if they fail you control them for the next minute, being able to deal damage to them, make them move up to their speed, or attack (with disadvantage) repeating the saving throw every round and ending on a success.
Hollow unbreakable arrows are the most OP common magic item, and my current method of coming up with insane combat shenanigans.
if you make a steel pipe with one end closed and a nozzle on the other, you can enlarge it, fill with any liquid, and then drop concentration, creating a high pressure squirt gun. (or a pipe bomb, depending if it holds)
If you are a Glamour Bard, Mantle of Majesty gives you a minute of Command spells. You can keep telling the light armored foe to “undress” for the whole fight. If he was charmed first, they automatically fail the saving throws, so it’s sustainable for the whole minute.
Well, the TARGET needs to understand German then. But it also isn't true in many cases. See https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/dungeons-dragons-discussion/rules-game-mechanics/34244-twinned-spell-and-command-help?comment=8 for why (Impertives for separative verbs are two word).
I actually use this to kill random nps or monsters. First, before the fight, cast goodberry and detect magic, next, when you are near the target, cast command and say "eat" giving them the goodberrys. Once the magic berries are down their gullet, cast shape water twice, first moving the magic water into the bloodstream, then choose freeze once the water is in their heart, and you kill the monster!! Yay! Enjoy watching your dm's jaw drop as you re-create bloodbending in dnd.
~ Fireline, Archmagi Draconis, Planeswalker, Knowledge Seeker.
And here's the typical GM reaction to a player actually trying that in a game:
You can't use Shape Water on water that's inside a creature's body. The spell doesn't remotely work like that.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Why not?
By the way nice gif ;D
~ Fireline, Archmagi Draconis, Planeswalker, Knowledge Seeker.
Because the spell can only target a source of water you can see. You can't target water that's inside a creature.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
But you can! Because it's glowing inside the creature, don't forget, you have detect magic going, and the goodberrys are magical!
~ Fireline, Archmagi Draconis, Planeswalker, Knowledge Seeker.
Detect Magic doesn't work that way, and you can't target objects that are inside a creature. And Shape Water is a cantrip, you can't use it to kill people without a saving throw, you can't use it to inflict damage on a target- if it had that ability it would say so.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
fine, shape water I get, but where does it say I can't target the magic juice?
"For the duration, you sense the presence of magic within 30 feet of you. If you sense magic in this way, you can use your action to see a faint aura around any visible creature or object in the area that bears magic"
~ Fireline, Archmagi Draconis, Planeswalker, Knowledge Seeker.
Because once the magic juice is inside a target it's no longer an individual object. A goodberry is a consumable, once it's consumed it's gone and any residual effects are part of the creature that ate it. You can target water that's in an open container, not inside a creature- for the same reason you can't use Shape Water on someone's blood.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Exactly. Our bodies are comprised mostly of water. Pretty sure the game designers would not design a cantrip to be an auto-kill, and any DM would be insane to allow it.
True, thanks for explaning!
~ Fireline, Archmagi Draconis, Planeswalker, Knowledge Seeker.
Use the comand spell to compel a paladin's find steed or find greater steed to flee or buck or grovel. Now the paladin has to make a DEX save or fall off.
I'm partial to "grovel" and "accompany" for commands. The first because it fits thematically with the bard I was playing, and the second because it can be very useful to have dimension door affect an enemy, but for it to do so the enemy needs to be (temporarily, at least) willing...
I love this idea...but a paladin's Aura of Protection will certainly make it more challenging.
Still a good tactic against mounted opponents, provided the mount is either intelligent or the GM rules that the mount can understand verbal commands (which I think any critter smart enough to be trained as a mount ought to know verbal commands in its rider's language).
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
that is A cool idea for A 5th or something level spell called "bloodbend) that could have a monster attempt a con save a and if they fail you control them for the next minute, being able to deal damage to them, make them move up to their speed, or attack (with disadvantage) repeating the saving throw every round and ending on a success.
Hollow unbreakable arrows are the most OP common magic item, and my current method of coming up with insane combat shenanigans.
if you make a steel pipe with one end closed and a nozzle on the other, you can enlarge it, fill with any liquid, and then drop concentration, creating a high pressure squirt gun. (or a pipe bomb, depending if it holds)
Thanks!
~ Fireline, Archmagi Draconis, Planeswalker, Knowledge Seeker.