Yeah, the individual effects of all three should be able to combine at once. That's still two rounds you need to spend setting it up (or just one if you have someone else in your party who can cast one of them on you), but you can indeed become one slippery SOB with that combination. It depends on how your DM rules it, but for Mirror Image I'd say that only your true form gains the advantage of the Cloak of Displacement, so strikes against the duplicates would still be a straight attack roll.
You'd have to take a feat to learn it or something, but you could also stack Sanctuary onto this. lol I feel like that would be unnecessary at this point, but I was just curious when looking it up to see if it would combine with this as well.
In 5th edition Advantage and disadvantage doesn't stack. 10000 advantages and 1 disadvantage actually cancels each other out to nothing... aka a normal role..
So the cloak may stack with mirror image but may not stack with the concealment of Shadow of Moil (the tentacle attacks will still hurt).
Well, the combination of abilities, only the cloak overtly grants disadvantage... everything else just has additional things that get in the way and provide different protections.
Well, the combination of abilities, only the cloak overtly grants disadvantage... everything else just has additional things that get in the way and provide different protections.
The darkness of shadow of moil specifically says that you're obscured --- AKA darkness AKA disadvantage to being hit
It depends on how your DM rules it, but for Mirror Image I'd say that only your true form gains the advantage of the Cloak of Displacement, so strikes against the duplicates would still be a straight attack roll.
IMO, mirror image says first the enemy makes an attack. With the cloak, that attack would have disadvantage. After the attack happens, the player gets to roll a d20 to see if the attack targets the PC or a duplicate. Then you'd compare the (disadvantaged) attack roll to the relevant AC.
So basically, even the duplicates get the benefit of the cloak, because the attack roll is the first thing that happens.
The rules are pretty explicit about combinations of Advantage and Disadvantage, any combination of them and you're back to a straight roll. The only question would be if an effect that would normally give someone Adv/Disadv when attacking you would also give it when they wind up targeting one of the duplicates from Mirror Image. Mirror Image's text says it kicks in when someone "targets you with an attack", it doesn't actually say whether the redirection check happens before or after the attack roll. I would probably rule that for simplicity's sake that Mirror Image has no effect on the attacker having Advantage or Disadvantage against you, the only impact of having the attack redirected to a duplicate is that the duplicate's AC might be lower.
You roll for mirror image before rolling to attack. Disadvantage does not stack.
Shadow of moil may stop mirror image from working since it heavily obscures you (meaning enemies cant see you) and mirror image requires enemies to be able to see. DM call.
My interpretation is that the cloak and mirror image would stack as the mechanics of each are different. You would first roll the d20 to determine if an attack targets you or a duplicate, then roll the actual attack with disadvantage if the attack targets you (but not if it targets a duplicate, only one cloak works).
shadow of Moil makes you heavily obscured, which is described as effectively blinding those targeting you, which to me means that mirror image doesn’t work, and as the disadvantage doesn’t stack, is superfluous if you also have the cloak.
So, Cloak / SoM combo is a no go - ( can't technically stack disadvantage) - same with Mirror image / SoM (but because one requires visibility and the other Obscures)
But it sounds like RAW it's arguable that Cloak /MI could gain me some additional benefit, it's just a discussion of WHEN mechanically the Cloak disadvantage kicks in. From one standpoint, if I'm "blurry" and it makes mirror images of blurry me, then I'd argue that all 4 of me are blurry. Otherwise, wouldn't only one of me be blurry?
Seems that there's a couple of options -
1) straight roll to see which "me" is attacked, but all of "me" are attacked with disadvantage.
2) I roll with advantage to see which "me" is attacked, but all attack rolls against mirrors are straight rolls, and my opponent rolls with disadvantage against me only.
So, Cloak / SoM combo is a no go - ( can't technically stack disadvantage) - same with Mirror image / SoM (but because one requires visibility and the other Obscures)
But it sounds like RAW it's arguable that Cloak /MI could gain me some additional benefit, it's just a discussion of WHEN mechanically the Cloak disadvantage kicks in. From one standpoint, if I'm "blurry" and it makes mirror images of blurry me, then I'd argue that all 4 of me are blurry. Otherwise, wouldn't only one of me be blurry?
Seems that there's a couple of options -
1) straight roll to see which "me" is attacked, but all of "me" are attacked with disadvantage.
2) I roll with advantage to see which "me" is attacked, but all attack rolls against mirrors are straight rolls, and my opponent rolls with disadvantage against me only.
Neither of those are correct.
DxJxC is correct, you roll for Mirror Image before anything else, and that is a straight d20 roll that is not influenced by advantage/disadvantage.
You are also correct that if you are "blurry"--FYI, neither the cloak or MI actually do that--all of your MIs are "blurry", but that translates to no mechanical difference with the spell's function. The MIs are only aesthetically identical to you. They are not mechanically identical.
You do a straight d20 roll to determine whether you or an MI is targeted. If an MI is targeted, an attack roll is made against the MI's AC of 10 + (your) Dex. This is a normal attack roll unless the attacker has a source of advantage/disadvantage. If you are targeted, the attack is resolved as normal for whatever conditions are relevant (i.e. your cloak).
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
So, Cloak / SoM combo is a no go - ( can't technically stack disadvantage) - same with Mirror image / SoM (but because one requires visibility and the other Obscures)
But it sounds like RAW it's arguable that Cloak /MI could gain me some additional benefit, it's just a discussion of WHEN mechanically the Cloak disadvantage kicks in. From one standpoint, if I'm "blurry" and it makes mirror images of blurry me, then I'd argue that all 4 of me are blurry. Otherwise, wouldn't only one of me be blurry?
Seems that there's a couple of options -
1) straight roll to see which "me" is attacked, but all of "me" are attacked with disadvantage.
2) I roll with advantage to see which "me" is attacked, but all attack rolls against mirrors are straight rolls, and my opponent rolls with disadvantage against me only.
Neither of those are correct.
DxJxC is correct, you roll for Mirror Image before anything else, and that is a straight d20 roll that is not influenced by advantage/disadvantage.
You are also correct that if you are "blurry"--FYI, neither the cloak or MI actually do that--all of your MIs are "blurry", but that translates to no mechanical difference with the spell's function. The MIs are only aesthetically identical to you. They are not mechanically identical.
You do a straight d20 roll to determine whether you or an MI is targeted. If an MI is targeted, an attack roll is made against the MI's AC of 13 + (your) Dex. This is a normal attack roll unless the attacker has a source of advantage/disadvantage. If you are targeted, the attack is resolved as normal for whatever conditions are relevant (i.e. your cloak).
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
You do a straight d20 roll to determine whether you or an MI is targeted. If an MI is targeted, an attack roll is made against the MI's AC of 10 + (your) Dex. This is a normal attack roll unless the attacker has a source of advantage/disadvantage. If you are targeted, the attack is resolved as normal for whatever conditions are relevant (i.e. your cloak).
So, effects of both Mirror Image and a Cloak of Displacement would apply, since they don't technically "stack" - I'd straight roll to see which 'Mi" is targeted, and if it's me, then the attack roll is at disadvantage (unless attacker has advantage/disadvantage.) I think that's good enough for me.
Bonus, Mirror Image is not a Concentration spell, while SoM is.
You do a straight d20 roll to determine whether you or an MI is targeted. If an MI is targeted, an attack roll is made against the MI's AC of 10 + (your) Dex. This is a normal attack roll unless the attacker has a source of advantage/disadvantage. If you are targeted, the attack is resolved as normal for whatever conditions are relevant (i.e. your cloak).
So, effects of both Mirror Image and a Cloak of Displacement would apply, since they don't technically "stack" - I'd straight roll to see which 'Mi" is targeted, and if it's me, then the attack roll is at disadvantage (unless attacker has advantage/disadvantage.) I think that's good enough for me.
Bonus, Mirror Image is not a Concentration spell, while SoM is.
Correct, it's still a powerful defensive combination. Just keep in mind that any other effects or environmental conditions causing you to become unseen/obscured will cause MI to fail.
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I'd rule cloak + mirror image stack but obviously multiple sources of disadvantage don't stack as per others. Note none of this stops breath weapons, AOE spells and all sorts of other things I'd hit the character with that aren't attack rolls.
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Does a Cloak of Displacement stack with Shadow of Moil? or something like Mirror Image?
Just trying to figure out how to make my Hexblade even slipperier... without using a shield.
Yeah, the individual effects of all three should be able to combine at once. That's still two rounds you need to spend setting it up (or just one if you have someone else in your party who can cast one of them on you), but you can indeed become one slippery SOB with that combination. It depends on how your DM rules it, but for Mirror Image I'd say that only your true form gains the advantage of the Cloak of Displacement, so strikes against the duplicates would still be a straight attack roll.
You'd have to take a feat to learn it or something, but you could also stack Sanctuary onto this. lol I feel like that would be unnecessary at this point, but I was just curious when looking it up to see if it would combine with this as well.
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In 5th edition Advantage and disadvantage doesn't stack. 10000 advantages and 1 disadvantage actually cancels each other out to nothing... aka a normal role..
So the cloak may stack with mirror image but may not stack with the concealment of Shadow of Moil (the tentacle attacks will still hurt).
Just clarifying that
Well, the combination of abilities, only the cloak overtly grants disadvantage... everything else just has additional things that get in the way and provide different protections.
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The darkness of shadow of moil specifically says that you're obscured --- AKA darkness AKA disadvantage to being hit
IMO, mirror image says first the enemy makes an attack. With the cloak, that attack would have disadvantage. After the attack happens, the player gets to roll a d20 to see if the attack targets the PC or a duplicate. Then you'd compare the (disadvantaged) attack roll to the relevant AC.
So basically, even the duplicates get the benefit of the cloak, because the attack roll is the first thing that happens.
The rules are pretty explicit about combinations of Advantage and Disadvantage, any combination of them and you're back to a straight roll. The only question would be if an effect that would normally give someone Adv/Disadv when attacking you would also give it when they wind up targeting one of the duplicates from Mirror Image. Mirror Image's text says it kicks in when someone "targets you with an attack", it doesn't actually say whether the redirection check happens before or after the attack roll. I would probably rule that for simplicity's sake that Mirror Image has no effect on the attacker having Advantage or Disadvantage against you, the only impact of having the attack redirected to a duplicate is that the duplicate's AC might be lower.
You roll for mirror image before rolling to attack. Disadvantage does not stack.
Shadow of moil may stop mirror image from working since it heavily obscures you (meaning enemies cant see you) and mirror image requires enemies to be able to see. DM call.
My interpretation is that the cloak and mirror image would stack as the mechanics of each are different. You would first roll the d20 to determine if an attack targets you or a duplicate, then roll the actual attack with disadvantage if the attack targets you (but not if it targets a duplicate, only one cloak works).
shadow of Moil makes you heavily obscured, which is described as effectively blinding those targeting you, which to me means that mirror image doesn’t work, and as the disadvantage doesn’t stack, is superfluous if you also have the cloak.
So, Cloak / SoM combo is a no go - ( can't technically stack disadvantage) - same with Mirror image / SoM (but because one requires visibility and the other Obscures)
But it sounds like RAW it's arguable that Cloak /MI could gain me some additional benefit, it's just a discussion of WHEN mechanically the Cloak disadvantage kicks in. From one standpoint, if I'm "blurry" and it makes mirror images of blurry me, then I'd argue that all 4 of me are blurry. Otherwise, wouldn't only one of me be blurry?
Seems that there's a couple of options -
1) straight roll to see which "me" is attacked, but all of "me" are attacked with disadvantage.
2) I roll with advantage to see which "me" is attacked, but all attack rolls against mirrors are straight rolls, and my opponent rolls with disadvantage against me only.
Neither of those are correct.
DxJxC is correct, you roll for Mirror Image before anything else, and that is a straight d20 roll that is not influenced by advantage/disadvantage.
You are also correct that if you are "blurry"--FYI, neither the cloak or MI actually do that--all of your MIs are "blurry", but that translates to no mechanical difference with the spell's function. The MIs are only aesthetically identical to you. They are not mechanically identical.
You do a straight d20 roll to determine whether you or an MI is targeted. If an MI is targeted, an attack roll is made against the MI's AC of 10 + (your) Dex. This is a normal attack roll unless the attacker has a source of advantage/disadvantage. If you are targeted, the attack is resolved as normal for whatever conditions are relevant (i.e. your cloak).
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
A duplicates AC is 10+DEX.
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You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
So, effects of both Mirror Image and a Cloak of Displacement would apply, since they don't technically "stack" - I'd straight roll to see which 'Mi" is targeted, and if it's me, then the attack roll is at disadvantage (unless attacker has advantage/disadvantage.) I think that's good enough for me.
Bonus, Mirror Image is not a Concentration spell, while SoM is.
Correct, it's still a powerful defensive combination. Just keep in mind that any other effects or environmental conditions causing you to become unseen/obscured will cause MI to fail.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
I'd rule cloak + mirror image stack but obviously multiple sources of disadvantage don't stack as per others. Note none of this stops breath weapons, AOE spells and all sorts of other things I'd hit the character with that aren't attack rolls.