Earth Glide. The elemental can burrow through nonmagical, unworked earth and stone. While doing so, the elemental doesn't disturb the material it moves through.
If a Circle of the Moon Druid elemental wildshapes into an Earth elemental, then grapples an enemy, then uses movement to drag them underground what happens? Do they suffocate, or get left on the surface, or become fully restrained?
The elemental goes 5ft into the ground and can't move any deeper without releasing the creature. If the elemental doesn't disturb the material then there's no way for the grappled creature to come along for the ride. Also, I wouldn't want the moon druid basically having an "I win" button against practically any large or smaller creature.
The elemental goes 5ft into the ground and can't move any deeper without releasing the creature. If the elemental doesn't disturb the material then there's no way for the grappled creature to come along for the ride. Also, I wouldn't want the moon druid basically having an "I win" button against practically any large or smaller creature.
This. You can’t move creatures through things that they can’t move through normally. Otherwise, yes, this would be a creative way for a player to just make the game unexciting.
The elemental goes 5ft into the ground and can't move any deeper without releasing the creature. If the elemental doesn't disturb the material then there's no way for the grappled creature to come along for the ride. Also, I wouldn't want the moon druid basically having an "I win" button against practically any large or smaller creature.
This. You can’t move creatures through things that they can’t move through normally. Otherwise, yes, this would be a creative way for a player to just make the game unexciting.
Or an easy button for killing the pcs. Xorn grapples take you down 20+ feet. Comes back for a midnight snack.
The elemental goes 5ft into the ground and can't move any deeper without releasing the creature. If the elemental doesn't disturb the material then there's no way for the grappled creature to come along for the ride. Also, I wouldn't want the moon druid basically having an "I win" button against practically any large or smaller creature.
This. You can’t move creatures through things that they can’t move through normally. Otherwise, yes, this would be a creative way for a player to just make the game unexciting.
Or an easy button for killing the pcs. Xorn grapples take you down 20+ feet. Comes back for a midnight snack.
This right here - the best way for a DM to balance whether something is fair or not, is to imagine a hoard of the exact opposite beasts doing it against the PCs... would it seem fair then? If not, rule it differently (if possible).
The elemental goes 5ft into the ground and can't move any deeper without releasing the creature. If the elemental doesn't disturb the material then there's no way for the grappled creature to come along for the ride. Also, I wouldn't want the moon druid basically having an "I win" button against practically any large or smaller creature.
This. You can’t move creatures through things that they can’t move through normally. Otherwise, yes, this would be a creative way for a player to just make the game unexciting.
Or an easy button for killing the pcs. Xorn grapples take you down 20+ feet. Comes back for a midnight snack.
This right here - the best way for a DM to balance whether something is fair or not, is to imagine a hoard of the exact opposite beasts doing it against the PCs... would it seem fair then? If not, rule it differently (if possible).
Whilst this is true, it could make a compelling story moment, where one member of the party is dragged underground, and the party has to try and save them.
The elemental goes 5ft into the ground and can't move any deeper without releasing the creature. If the elemental doesn't disturb the material then there's no way for the grappled creature to come along for the ride. Also, I wouldn't want the moon druid basically having an "I win" button against practically any large or smaller creature.
This. You can’t move creatures through things that they can’t move through normally. Otherwise, yes, this would be a creative way for a player to just make the game unexciting.
Or an easy button for killing the pcs. Xorn grapples take you down 20+ feet. Comes back for a midnight snack.
This right here - the best way for a DM to balance whether something is fair or not, is to imagine a hoard of the exact opposite beasts doing it against the PCs... would it seem fair then? If not, rule it differently (if possible).
I always tell my players, "Cool Tactic. Can the monsters use it on you?" Half the time I keep my evil laugh in. IF they pause before replying you know it is not fair or fair.
Whilst this is true, it could make a compelling story moment, where one member of the party is dragged underground, and the party has to try and save them.
Yes it could be quite compelling; however, I truly don't think that sacrificing campaign integrity for a compelling moment is a worthwhile trade. If you do it to the players, they will definitely think it's okay to do to the NPCs/monsters. Then you've got a problem.
Whilst this is true, it could make a compelling story moment, where one member of the party is dragged underground, and the party has to try and save them.
Yes it could be quite compelling; however, I truly don't think that sacrificing campaign integrity for a compelling moment is a worthwhile trade. If you do it to the players, they will definitely think it's okay to do to the NPCs/monsters. Then you've got a problem.
I mean, you could do it if you don't have a Circle of the Moon Druid. It could be useful if a player is going to be away for a bit.
Whilst this is true, it could make a compelling story moment, where one member of the party is dragged underground, and the party has to try and save them.
Yes it could be quite compelling; however, I truly don't think that sacrificing campaign integrity for a compelling moment is a worthwhile trade. If you do it to the players, they will definitely think it's okay to do to the NPCs/monsters. Then you've got a problem.
I mean, you could do it if you don't have a Circle of the Moon Druid. It could be useful if a player is going to be away for a bit.
If the creature burrowed - then sure. But Earthglide - absolutely not.
This is how I see it as well. The Elemental is essentially phasing through solid matter. If they could take a living creature with and release them it would be instant death for what ever poor creature just became fused with the earth and rock.
Whilst this is true, it could make a compelling story moment, where one member of the party is dragged underground, and the party has to try and save them.
Yes it could be quite compelling; however, I truly don't think that sacrificing campaign integrity for a compelling moment is a worthwhile trade. If you do it to the players, they will definitely think it's okay to do to the NPCs/monsters. Then you've got a problem.
I mean, you could do it if you don't have a Circle of the Moon Druid. It could be useful if a player is going to be away for a bit.
Yes, but the DM can choose not to give them an elemental summoning item.
Also, Shapechange & True Polymorph are 9th level spells. If they want to waste them on turning into an earth elemental, when they could become a friggin DRAGON TURTLE, then they can feel free to try!
Whilst this is true, it could make a compelling story moment, where one member of the party is dragged underground, and the party has to try and save them.
Yes it could be quite compelling; however, I truly don't think that sacrificing campaign integrity for a compelling moment is a worthwhile trade. If you do it to the players, they will definitely think it's okay to do to the NPCs/monsters. Then you've got a problem.
I mean, you could do it if you don't have a Circle of the Moon Druid. It could be useful if a player is going to be away for a bit.
Yes, but the DM can choose not to give them an elemental summoning item.
Also, Shapechange & True Polymorph are 9th level spells. If they want to waste them on turning into an earth elemental, when they could become a friggin DRAGON TURTLE, then they can feel free to try!
Whilst this is true, it could make a compelling story moment, where one member of the party is dragged underground, and the party has to try and save them.
Yes it could be quite compelling; however, I truly don't think that sacrificing campaign integrity for a compelling moment is a worthwhile trade. If you do it to the players, they will definitely think it's okay to do to the NPCs/monsters. Then you've got a problem.
I mean, you could do it if you don't have a Circle of the Moon Druid. It could be useful if a player is going to be away for a bit.
Yes, but the DM can choose not to give them an elemental summoning item.
Also, Shapechange & True Polymorph are 9th level spells. If they want to waste them on turning into an earth elemental, when they could become a friggin DRAGON TURTLE, then they can feel free to try!
Earth elementals have a feature called Earthglide
Earth Glide. The elemental can burrow through nonmagical, unworked earth and stone. While doing so, the elemental doesn't disturb the material it moves through.
If a Circle of the Moon Druid elemental wildshapes into an Earth elemental, then grapples an enemy, then uses movement to drag them underground what happens? Do they suffocate, or get left on the surface, or become fully restrained?
What is more fun for the group? I will give full restrained if they are underground. Suffocation takes a while but I would have it happen.
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The elemental goes 5ft into the ground and can't move any deeper without releasing the creature. If the elemental doesn't disturb the material then there's no way for the grappled creature to come along for the ride. Also, I wouldn't want the moon druid basically having an "I win" button against practically any large or smaller creature.
This. You can’t move creatures through things that they can’t move through normally. Otherwise, yes, this would be a creative way for a player to just make the game unexciting.
Or an easy button for killing the pcs. Xorn grapples take you down 20+ feet. Comes back for a midnight snack.
No Gaming is Better than Bad Gaming.
This right here - the best way for a DM to balance whether something is fair or not, is to imagine a hoard of the exact opposite beasts doing it against the PCs... would it seem fair then? If not, rule it differently (if possible).
Whilst this is true, it could make a compelling story moment, where one member of the party is dragged underground, and the party has to try and save them.
I always tell my players, "Cool Tactic. Can the monsters use it on you?" Half the time I keep my evil laugh in. IF they pause before replying you know it is not fair or fair.
No Gaming is Better than Bad Gaming.
Yes it could be quite compelling; however, I truly don't think that sacrificing campaign integrity for a compelling moment is a worthwhile trade. If you do it to the players, they will definitely think it's okay to do to the NPCs/monsters. Then you've got a problem.
I mean, you could do it if you don't have a Circle of the Moon Druid. It could be useful if a player is going to be away for a bit.
If the creature burrowed - then sure. But Earthglide - absolutely not.
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Or a player with shapechange, true polymorph, elemental gem, or any of several other things that I don't remember.
This is how I see it as well. The Elemental is essentially phasing through solid matter. If they could take a living creature with and release them it would be instant death for what ever poor creature just became fused with the earth and rock.
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Yes, but the DM can choose not to give them an elemental summoning item.
Also, Shapechange & True Polymorph are 9th level spells. If they want to waste them on turning into an earth elemental, when they could become a friggin DRAGON TURTLE, then they can feel free to try!
How did I forget conjure elemental?
Well, that has a casting time of 1 minute, so not too op