While I agree in general, I will point out that since this document cannot be playtested on its own, you necessarily need to have played 5e in order to have playtested this.
1. It expects you to have played some edition of Dungeon & Dragons before instead of playing in at this playtest.
2. It doesn't let you descript why you play tested or didn't play test an option.
3. It doesn't let you descript what you found works or doesn't work about an option.
4. You have to pick at least 1 option for each question even when you clearly are unable to answer said question.
1.) No it doesn't. It asks you which editions you've played, and if you haven't played 5e at all then it limits the feedback you can give because by definition you haven't playtested the content. It's not looking for "5E SUCKS AND WE SHOULD ALL GO BACK TO RED BOX"; Wizards cannot possibly do anything with that sort of feedback. That said, if you HAVE played other editions they'd like to know, for player metrics as much as anything else.
2.) They don't care why, and frankly they shouldn't. Whatever the reason, the bare naked truth is "did you test it, or did you just read it?" Whatever your reason is, it doesn't matter, your feedback goes into the same bucket either way. People who played it and tested it have more weight than people who didn't. just the way it is.
3.) they have to collate feedback from, ideally, millions of players. The 'Comment' section in the feedback survey lets you explain what worked and what didn't, but even then I guarantee nobody reads it. At best they have a keyword scraper count instances of certain words in the comments, and they also have a community team whose job is to observe communtiy trends and discussions and aggregate it into actionable feedback for the dev team. Wizards, for better or worse, does not care what you liked and what you didn't. There's a reason all their feedback is measuring satisfaction level - that's just about the only thing they can do anything with.
4.) Every question has a "Don't Know/Unsure" option for a reason. Make use of it if you're ambivalent about something, don't know it, or are unsure.
1. It expects you to have played some edition of Dungeon & Dragons before instead of playing in at this playtest.
2. It doesn't let you descript why you play tested or didn't play test an option.
3. It doesn't let you descript what you found works or doesn't work about an option.
4. You have to pick at least 1 option for each question even when you clearly are unable to answer said question.
1.) No it doesn't. It asks you which editions you've played, and if you haven't played 5e at all then it limits the feedback you can give because by definition you haven't playtested the content. It's not looking for "5E SUCKS AND WE SHOULD ALL GO BACK TO RED BOX"; Wizards cannot possibly do anything with that sort of feedback. That said, if you HAVE played other editions they'd like to know, for player metrics as much as anything else.
2.) They don't care why, and frankly they shouldn't. Whatever the reason, the bare naked truth is "did you test it, or did you just read it?" Whatever your reason is, it doesn't matter, your feedback goes into the same bucket either way. People who played it and tested it have more weight than people who didn't. just the way it is.
3.) they have to collate feedback from, ideally, millions of players. The 'Comment' section in the feedback survey lets you explain what worked and what didn't, but even then I guarantee nobody reads it. At best they have a keyword scraper count instances of certain words in the comments, and they also have a community team whose job is to observe communtiy trends and discussions and aggregate it into actionable feedback for the dev team. Wizards, for better or worse, does not care what you liked and what you didn't. There's a reason all their feedback is measuring satisfaction level - that's just about the only thing they can do anything with.
4.) Every question has a "Don't Know/Unsure" option for a reason. Make use of it if you're ambivalent about something, don't know it, or are unsure.
For #1 we talking about the first question? For me it asked which was your first edition of D&D rather than the ones I've played.
Speaking of survey flaws, not big but I wish they'd asked about how testing background creation went. They only really listed out the sample and didn't even have an option for 'everyone tested out the custom background option'.
Does it allow you to enter the Survey again after filling it out? It said was complete for me but wanted to check if anybody else noticed this? Seems like a huge over-sight if the case, if not then I guess it didn't save my survey correctly despite seemingly giving a message that it did.
The Survey in general does have flaws for sure. Mainly that you don't know what questions are coming next, so you may write up a section about something that is actually more relevant to the next page, E.G. D20 tests being mentioned then the next page being more specific about Nat 1, Nat 20 and Critical hits.
Did I miss something in the survey or did they not even ask about the hybrid race approach?
they didn't ask anything about half races, which suggests to me they have already listened to the community and are looking at changing this already, therefore whats the point in asking questions.
Backgrounds they focussed on the example backgrounds when the whole point of the new background section I thought was it was fully flexiable and customisable, I have now run 3 one shot sessions and every time my players have fully customised there background instead of picking one of them I gave written feedback on this because it meant I couldnlt say how the example ones run.
Half races are not up for discussion (as mentioned else where), I hope this is because Wizards have already decided they need a rework and therefore what is the point in getting feedback they know will largely be negative, I added my comments around this at the end, namely that the concept was good, but the execution was poor.
i mean half races didn't really need a dedicated section. it is just pick a race and give if visual characteristics of another race. My beefy boy half elf half dwarf is just a wood elf with the build of a dwarf (its legolas and gimlis secret love child). Honestly I am kinda ok with them keeping mixed races simple like that. less weird shit to have to check on to keep it streamlined.
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"Where words fail, swords prevail. Where blood is spilled, my cup is filled" -Cartaphilus
"I have found the answer to the meaning of life. You ask me what the answer is? You already know what the answer to life is. You fear it more than the strike of a viper, the ravages of disease, the ire of a lover. The answer is always death. But death is a gentle mistress with a sweet embrace, and you owe her a debt of restitution. Life is not a gift, it is a loan."
Yes, hmm I wonder what prereqs the survey had to give that section.
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"Where words fail, swords prevail. Where blood is spilled, my cup is filled" -Cartaphilus
"I have found the answer to the meaning of life. You ask me what the answer is? You already know what the answer to life is. You fear it more than the strike of a viper, the ravages of disease, the ire of a lover. The answer is always death. But death is a gentle mistress with a sweet embrace, and you owe her a debt of restitution. Life is not a gift, it is a loan."
Half races not being something you could give feedback on seems like a major omission. It’s a pretty significant difference, so even if they have strong thoughts on it one way of the other, I‘d figure they want to see what the community has to say on it. I put my thoughts in the final spot for other comments.
1. It expects you to have played some edition of Dungeon & Dragons before instead of playing in at this playtest.
2. It doesn't let you descript why you play tested or didn't play test an option.
3. It doesn't let you descript what you found works or doesn't work about an option.
4. You have to pick at least 1 option for each question even when you clearly are unable to answer said question.
While I agree in general, I will point out that since this document cannot be playtested on its own, you necessarily need to have played 5e in order to have playtested this.
Is the survey actually up?
Yes. Check the Origins Playtest section of One D&D on this website.
1.) No it doesn't. It asks you which editions you've played, and if you haven't played 5e at all then it limits the feedback you can give because by definition you haven't playtested the content. It's not looking for "5E SUCKS AND WE SHOULD ALL GO BACK TO RED BOX"; Wizards cannot possibly do anything with that sort of feedback. That said, if you HAVE played other editions they'd like to know, for player metrics as much as anything else.
2.) They don't care why, and frankly they shouldn't. Whatever the reason, the bare naked truth is "did you test it, or did you just read it?" Whatever your reason is, it doesn't matter, your feedback goes into the same bucket either way. People who played it and tested it have more weight than people who didn't. just the way it is.
3.) they have to collate feedback from, ideally, millions of players. The 'Comment' section in the feedback survey lets you explain what worked and what didn't, but even then I guarantee nobody reads it. At best they have a keyword scraper count instances of certain words in the comments, and they also have a community team whose job is to observe communtiy trends and discussions and aggregate it into actionable feedback for the dev team. Wizards, for better or worse, does not care what you liked and what you didn't. There's a reason all their feedback is measuring satisfaction level - that's just about the only thing they can do anything with.
4.) Every question has a "Don't Know/Unsure" option for a reason. Make use of it if you're ambivalent about something, don't know it, or are unsure.
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For #1 we talking about the first question? For me it asked which was your first edition of D&D rather than the ones I've played.
Speaking of survey flaws, not big but I wish they'd asked about how testing background creation went. They only really listed out the sample and didn't even have an option for 'everyone tested out the custom background option'.
Does it allow you to enter the Survey again after filling it out? It said was complete for me but wanted to check if anybody else noticed this? Seems like a huge over-sight if the case, if not then I guess it didn't save my survey correctly despite seemingly giving a message that it did.
The Survey in general does have flaws for sure. Mainly that you don't know what questions are coming next, so you may write up a section about something that is actually more relevant to the next page, E.G. D20 tests being mentioned then the next page being more specific about Nat 1, Nat 20 and Critical hits.
Having the unsure button is great for people like that didnt check out everything.
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Did I miss something in the survey or did they not even ask about the hybrid race approach?
they didn't ask anything about half races, which suggests to me they have already listened to the community and are looking at changing this already, therefore whats the point in asking questions.
My issues with the Survey
Backgrounds they focussed on the example backgrounds when the whole point of the new background section I thought was it was fully flexiable and customisable, I have now run 3 one shot sessions and every time my players have fully customised there background instead of picking one of them I gave written feedback on this because it meant I couldnlt say how the example ones run.
Half races are not up for discussion (as mentioned else where), I hope this is because Wizards have already decided they need a rework and therefore what is the point in getting feedback they know will largely be negative, I added my comments around this at the end, namely that the concept was good, but the execution was poor.
i mean half races didn't really need a dedicated section. it is just pick a race and give if visual characteristics of another race. My beefy boy half elf half dwarf is just a wood elf with the build of a dwarf (its legolas and gimlis secret love child). Honestly I am kinda ok with them keeping mixed races simple like that. less weird shit to have to check on to keep it streamlined.
"Where words fail, swords prevail. Where blood is spilled, my cup is filled" -Cartaphilus
"I have found the answer to the meaning of life. You ask me what the answer is? You already know what the answer to life is. You fear it more than the strike of a viper, the ravages of disease, the ire of a lover. The answer is always death. But death is a gentle mistress with a sweet embrace, and you owe her a debt of restitution. Life is not a gift, it is a loan."
The only flaws I saw were not letting me talk about my problems with gnomes and missing "Don't know/care" option for many questions
There was a section where you could grade the changes to each race and a comments box?
Yes, hmm I wonder what prereqs the survey had to give that section.
"Where words fail, swords prevail. Where blood is spilled, my cup is filled" -Cartaphilus
"I have found the answer to the meaning of life. You ask me what the answer is? You already know what the answer to life is. You fear it more than the strike of a viper, the ravages of disease, the ire of a lover. The answer is always death. But death is a gentle mistress with a sweet embrace, and you owe her a debt of restitution. Life is not a gift, it is a loan."
Half races not being something you could give feedback on seems like a major omission. It’s a pretty significant difference, so even if they have strong thoughts on it one way of the other, I‘d figure they want to see what the community has to say on it. I put my thoughts in the final spot for other comments.
Well, I never got farther in any edition of Dungeons & Dragons than the main details of a character during character creation.